Why does the Alien kill humans? We are weak and innocent!

[Kasper Kroenen]

I see that question asked a lot on different forums that the Alien kill humans, not for food, but just to kill.... It's not like we pose any danger do we?

I mean, think about it... We humans are so fragile and can't do anything lethal to these things!
It's not like a single human, and if YOU believe this is a man's world, a weak WOMAN can actually do anything, can she? It's not like it's possible for such a weak woman to force an Alien out of an airlock, or that that same woman kills an ENTIRE nest and is even able to kill the queen is it? No... It's not possible that a woman turns out to be a MASS MURDERER of an entire species... Or when she does do her final breath, she kills the queen for a SECOND time AND her loyal dog servant?

No no no... or her daughter do the same thing as her? can't be! so fragile we are. We sure are no danger at all for this organism. Because THIS organism kills EVERYTHING that is alive... Except cats... or hamsters...



Seriously, we do nothing wrong to these beings! It's not like we poke our heads in their eggs EVERYTIME like we are some kind of stupid gazelle who wanders around in a lion's nest... EVIL LION! Or when they do settle down, it's not like we send a pack of stupid marines with blazing guns to them, now do we? We don't even kidnap them... Like at all. Except for that one time... and that one time.... and that one time... and this time.

Seriously? WE are the ones who capture them or bait them and bring them on a cold, metal ship and we did it many times again. Do me a favor will you? Try to kidnap a High-Council Klingon and see what happens to our planet? A ♥♥♥♥ ton of birds of prey and bathlets will follow!



On a serious note. Yes it IS true we are fragile. We are so relied on technology, most of us
don't even know how to survive in the wild anymore. A frog has better chance of survival then most of us in the wild! A lion would kill anything that dares to invade its territory.
The alien is not an invader, it creates its nest and that's it. It will never go to other planets or cross oceans with boats. We do this. So I conclude that we ARE a danger to this organism and that it is in no way an excuse to say that it kills us to protect its nest.



I mean, just for proof IRL. crocs survived the dinosaurs. They are also ultimate hunters and survivors and just like the Alien, if the Alien doesn't protect itself, it will turn out a circus attraction (they even said that they were thinking of taming it in ressurection) Of course, just like in the fourth movie, accidents happen, so does with this guy in this clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZhHHVsAnI4

(Warning this is real, don't watch it if you know what a croc is able to do to a human and don't want to see it... Even though there is no blood, it is painfull to watch)



I mean, I kept reading on this forum where people debate if the Alien is evil and why the Alien kills humans because we are no danger to it. What we basically do is kidnapping a highly dominant and hunter and force it in a cage surrounded by gazelles, only to escape and do its thing.

[-|Nur|-]

Originally posted by kasper.sorgeloos:

So I conclude that we ARE a danger to this organism and that it is in no way an excuse to say that it kills us to protect its nest.

The nest serves a reproductive function and that's where other organisms such as humans come in. The aliens need to kill other organisms in order to perpetuate their species. They are not mindless killers; they kill for a reason. If you saw the director's cut of Alien, you know the alien killed for a reason.

[Kasper Kroenen]

I know, but it's just that some people see them as mindless killers. If he was a killer, then why didn't he killed the cat in the first movie?

[Kasper Kroenen]

REAL QUESTION this time... He didn't kill the cat, but would he kill a dog? Let's say a dog was set loose on the station and they come in contact and the dog runs away, would it chase the dog like a human? Or would it be "meh" like with a cat?

[-|Nur|-]

Originally posted by kasper.sorgeloos:

REAL QUESTION this time... He didn't kill the cat, but would he kill a dog? Let's say a dog was set loose on the station and they come in contact and the dog runs away, would it chase the dog like a human? Or would it be "meh" like with a cat?

As Alien 3 made clear, dogs make good hosts.

[Kasper Kroenen]

Ok, as a host, but would a drone chase a dog too JUST to kill it like it does with us? I wonder.... Altough, I do think cats could also be hosts.

[Vilmer Slaughter]

Originally posted by kasper.sorgeloos:

Ok, as a host, but would a drone chase a dog too JUST to kill it like it does with us? I wonder.... Altough, I do think cats could also be hosts.

I doubt the Xeno would chase down a dog to simply kill it. Maybe to capture it for a host. The reason they chase down and kill some humans rather than capturing them is likely due to the fact that they have come to perceive humans as threats when they encounter them.

I don't know how good a host a cat would prove to be. Based on the movies, a xeno's size and posture is mostly tied to their host. Point in case: Human spawned drones/soldiers vs. the smaller more agile runner spawned from the dog (or ox, depending on which version you watch). A cat spawned Xeno would likely end up quite small... which would be amusing to see.

[Chapter Eleven]

Just think of ants, Jack Jumper.
A highly aggressive and dangerous ant.
So if the jack jumper had the size of the alien it would kill humans left, right and center.

Africanized bees or ''killer bees'' attack everything that gets too close to their nest without provocation.

[Walrick]

The Alien kills for more than just necessity. The alien in the first film seemed to take a sadistic pleasure in first raping, then killing the other woman, Lambert. It's just a plain Evil creature, which is what Ridley Scott was aiming for, imo.

My theory is that it was created specifically to kill either humans or humanoids. Everything about the creature is honed to kill, even its mode of reproduction. That's my theory: a species created by the "Engineers" as a bio-weapon.

[Vilmer Slaughter]

Originally posted by Walrick:

The Alien kills for more than just necessity. The alien in the first film seemed to take a sadistic pleasure in first raping, then killing the other woman, Lambert. It's just a plain Evil creature, which is what Ridley Scott was aiming for, imo.

The scenario you described in that movie is purely speculation. It is never explicitly stated that this is what happens. The shot where you see the tail coming around near her legs, isn't even her legs. It is an insert shot from a deleted scene with Brett. And how do you come to the conclusion it was taking sadistic pleasure? I don't feel, in my opinion, that Ridley Scott was so much aiming for a "Evil" creature, but rather exactly what it is, Alien life. Evil is just a matter of perception within our species. As said by Charles Addams, by way of Morticia: "Normal is an illusion. What is normal for the spider is chaos for the fly." Then we have Ash: "I admire its purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality." Ever watch what a Killer Whale does with it's food? Ever see a cat play with something it is hunting? Do we mark them as evil or sadistic?
In the first movie, the Alien is a newborn and totally alone. It's first instinct is to survive and bring about a queen to propagate the species. And here it runs into humans... something it would have no experience with. After capturing the first two people it finds isolated to see to this goal, it likely begins perceiving the rest of these individuals as a threat to that prerogative, hence the ensuing slaughter.

Originally posted by Walrick:

My theory is that it was created specifically to kill either humans or humanoids. Everything about the creature is honed to kill, even its mode of reproduction. That's my theory: a species created by the "Engineers" as a bio-weapon.

An interesting notion. Given the amazing adaptability of the Xenomorphs development cycle, I doubt they were aiming just for humanoids. A species so with such an aggressive drive to survive and reproduce would be equal to the task of clearing any type of population. Personally, I like to think the Engineers didn't create the Xenomorph from scratch, and instead they are a version of a species they already encountered and exposed to the black liquid. Producing the weaponized variant they would load an entire ship full of their eggs with.

[-|Nur|-]

Originally posted by Walrick:

The Alien kills for more than just necessity. The alien in the first film seemed to take a sadistic pleasure in first raping, then killing the other woman, Lambert. It's just a plain Evil creature, which is what Ridley Scott was aiming for, imo.

The alien wounded Brett and captured Dallas in order to perpetuate its life cycle; Brett was in the process of being morphed into an egg while Dallas was to serve as a host. The alien was enticed by Lambert (female pheromones or something like that) and ended up killing her as if by accident, while Parker was killed purely in self defense. The alien is anything but a mindless killer.

[Kasper Kroenen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR5jYeIMBKk


what you guys think about this scene? It was deleted, so it even doesn't show up in the directors cut. But I'm kinda glad it got deleted, the crab walk just looked so stupid imho

[Kasper Kroenen]

I will give my opinion about the crabwalk scene. I liked it at the beginning, how it was just sitting there, and when he plays with his tail, but then the crabwalking part.... It just yells IM A HUMAN IN COSTUME!!!. Part of the first movie that was great is that they realized that they didn't had the technology to make it NOT look fake if you would see it in bright lights and fullness, that's why they made so much attention to play with darkness and the whole concept "to not see it is scarier then to see it" It's like the jaws movie. But this scene just ruins it imho.

[Kevin the Inkling]

The two reasons I can think of would be either Food or something for the face huggers to attach to.

Oddly though dispite the fact it's the Queen that makes the face huggers. The Alien As far as I've seen never actually seems to eat any of the people it kills. That actually bugs me more then the fact the Alien never attack the Working Joes.

There's plenty of moments of the Alien eating a person in the movies. Would have thought there's be more then a slightly bloodied corpse left of the victims.

[Walrick]

Originally posted by Yarri:

The two reasons I can think of would be either Food or something for the face huggers to attach to.

Oddly though dispite the fact it's the Queen that makes the face huggers. The Alien As far as I've seen never actually seems to eat any of the people it kills. That actually bugs me more then the fact the Alien never attack the Working Joes.

There's plenty of moments of the Alien eating a person in the movies. Would have thought there's be more then a slightly bloodied corpse left of the victims.

That's one of the reasons I think it's created (or more likely genetically engineered from a less hostile animal as Ruprect suggests). It kills more than it needs to.
Maybe the Alien knows how to use the freezers to preserve all that meat for later, but I doubt it.

Maybe it would be possible to teach it how to use freezers, but it would make a terrible student.. Smart, but really, really unruly.

[Masi]

"Interesting combination of elements making it one tough little ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥"