Alien is invincible?

[Yes, I have a Mic.]

So I get the not being damaged by fire thing. I even buy the idea that small arms fire doesn't make a dent...
Immune to pipebombs? Seriously? Immune to a large explosion in its face?
Anyone else think this might be stretching suspension of disbelief past its limits?

[Berserk Belta]

I think this is pretty much consistent with the image of the creature you had after the first film.

Ripley: How do we kill it, Ash? There got to be a way of killing it. How – how do we do it?
Ash: You can't.
Parker: That's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
Ash: You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you?
The perfect organism.
Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility.
Lambert: You admire it.
Ash: I admire its purity. A survivor … unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.
Parker: Well, I don't. I've heard enough of this, and I'm asking you to pull the plug.
Ash: Last words.
Ripley: What?
Ash: I can't lie to you about your chances, but... you have my sympathies.

Of course then James Cameron cast the muppet show as an alien hive, and had them explode in a hilarious floop of tapioca every time a space marine shot them, naded them or sneezed violently, but this game is really more geared towards the first film's creature, to "re-Alien the Alien".

[dnc]

The Alien's outer shell is on the scale of a regenerating Kevlar and it can withstand temperatures in excess of 2,000C, but any higher and they will explode in a shower of unknown acid; that will kill anything within range anyway - protection or no protection.
The Alien can also regenerate at speeds that can't be explained. You can't. If it can grow from a foot in size to 7-8 feet in height in a few hours.

It's not really biological like us; it's bio-mechanical - they're more machine than biology. They've been designed as a weapon by an advanced alien civilization; possibly for the reason for removing experiments they've made over thousands of years seeding other planets in the galaxy, and things go wrong or were not meant to be. They're a clean-up solution that de-stablizes a planet's eco-system so it reverts back to the way it was.
However, they're so dangerous, the were able to kill the creators themselves.

The closest you'll get to what the Alien is, is its interpretation in Alien Resurrection, when they're trapped in confinement, in those containers.
They're literally boiling with pent-up pressure and with an understanding of their own extreme desire to kill anything that will eradicate anything that is a threat to them or what they're protecting. They have some awareness that they're designed to be extremely hazardous to any non-biomechanical life-form- and therefore have little fear of it even in the face of technology.

The least we know about their true origins, what they are, why they are, the less we understand or are able to control them- the scarier they are.

Aliens was a disaster in that regard.
"They're Ants: The End."
That was Aliens in a nutshell.
1986 might have liked it, but 30 years later, it's truly awful.

Then in Alien vs Predator, they make it so that a Predator, that can lift 250Ibs with one arm extended (impossible for any Human on earth), seem cable of attacking an Alien with just bare hands; an Alien that can punch through Plate Steel. Something a Predator wouldn't have even 1/5th the strength to do. So they explain it with a sort of technological-Power-Fist-Punch in AvP2. It's silly, but kids like that.

The Alien is incredibly strong. Bio-mechanically strong- hydraulically strong; and can tear through extremely tough materials, even materials the Predator is wearing; metals stronger than any Steel or Alloy, Humans are producing today.

It's just "cannon" for fans of both the Alien and the Predator. You lose them both if one is far stronger than the other.

The Alien can't be invicible. It's just incredibly dangerous to any life-form that isn't the Alien itself. And the Predator has some kind of Plasma weapon. Plasma weapons can produce far more heat than any conventional system that can produce heat. So an Alien wouldn't stand a chance against a Predator shooting that in its face.

In AvP and in other descriptions, they try to make the Alien like it has a bone skeleton or, that it's gooey inside and full of intestines. Yet on the outside, you see no evidence that it has some kind of squishy-organs that it's holding in.
It can't have any of that. It can survive in a vacuum- in space -for an undetermined amount of time. It can survive concussive blasts that would kill a Human or other biological organism that would allow the shockwave to ripple through liquids in the body.

The Alien isn't really a life-form. It's a machine created by an extremely advanced civilization that uses them to planet-engineer in their absence- only they over-designed it to be like an intelligent life-form- the ability to defend itself, protect itself and to reproduce.

[Fry]

Think about what it took to take some down in Aliens. They had to use ammunition that was both Armor Piercing and Exploding Tip. Maybe a pipe bomb would damage the outside of the Alien, but it wouldn't do much damage under that.

[BROOD-SkorpioN]

The Alien takes damage from small arms fire and from pipe bombs. it just doesn't kill him.

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[dnc]

Film Directors try not to over-state the obvious, but they know what people enjoy; seeing a Predaor fight an Alien and trying to balance out what you're seeing and making it action-orientated.

Nobody wants an Alien tearing a Predator apart hand-to-hand because you just annoy people from both sides.

But they do make it absolutely clear:
The Alien is really strong, easily twice the strength of a Predator, and can kill an un-armed Predator with ease.
Predators must use some form of biological enhancement (DNA manipulation likely) that gives them the strength they have. They can lift a 250lbs Human with one hand, arms length, with no effort. That's really, really strong even compared to the biggest, strongest Human being on Earth.

The Alien's tale lifted up 300Ibs with no effort as well. It's not just the strength of the Alien that makes it so dangerous; it's the speed at which it moves and its own outer body-shell is as strong as anything the Predator is wearing as a defense.
Then you have the corrosive acid.

There's really nothing you can do in a story to use that well, which is why it's entirely absent in Alien Isolation- if you could damage it, even a litre of its acid could destroy an entire ship, making a hole in the hull several feet wide (and depending on how big the ship was).
If a Predator tried a full on confrontation with an Alien and attempted to damage it, the acid would kill the Predator in seconds; and the acid is so corrosive that the gases released as it interacts cause even more detrimental effects.

But Film Movies have to place a limit somewhere.


I wonder how long it would take for CA to start on "Predator: Isolation".

[Law212]

Reading these cool threads in this forum make me want some more alien, predator or AVP movies that are actually good. Smart and fun to watch.
Im also playing through colonial marines and am not hating it. I am in the minority of people who really liked the latest AvP game as well. i thought it was great.

[R1p0]

Originally posted by RaphielDrake:

So I get the not being damaged by fire thing. I even buy the idea that small arms fire doesn't make a dent...
Immune to pipebombs? Seriously? Immune to a large explosion in its face?
Anyone else think this might be stretching suspension of disbelief past its limits?

I think that false games and movies ( like: AVP movie and game, Aliens Colonial Marines game etc.... ) blur our mind about Alien! Real Alien is in the first movie and all other movies are just made out of reputation Alien build in the first one. This is first game that made Alien really the way its is. I don't know it would be stupid if you could kill it easy. I mean the fun what games and movie give would be ugly experience! It would turn into action game and movie, not horror!

[TornadoADV]

Your weapons can hurt it in game, you can scare it off with your revolver if you get all rounds on target and he/she/it is not in it's banzaii charge mode. But nothing you have on the station is meant to pierce armor/bulkheads for obvious reasons. Fire scares aliens because their acid blood does not like fire at all. (like, chemically induced heat explosion bad) That's about the only actual threat you have against it, it's pressurized acid blood layer dissolves the shrapnel after it pierces it's surface from your Hollow Points, Buckshot and Pipe Bombs.

[dnc]

If you want an action-based "Armed Human" Alien Isolation, you have to have more than one Alien in it.

The technology in 2137 is formidable; one Alien is going to make a mistake with the wrong end of a Pulse Rifle; but then the Alien behind you waiting, proceeds to rip your head off and stuff the remains in a vent.

You can't aim everywhere at the same time.

But then you have Aliens; and game development has copied that over and over again. It's really just player vs player. It doesn't work.

I don't think AI routines are going to improve for another 10 years until Quantum Computers arrive.
I've heard about "AI Routines" for 14 years and they're all the same. They're still scripted, they don't act on their own. They don't reach out or create new sub-routines simply by interacting within a virtual world environment.

It's all set in stone.

Quantum Computing is when it will all change.
It's just a matter of time.

It's when Player vs Player is meaningless. This time, you're fighting to survive against the truly unknowable.

[Dancing Frog]

Originally posted by Berserk Smurf:

I think this is pretty much consistent with the image of the creature you had after the first film.

Ripley: How do we kill it, Ash? There got to be a way of killing it. How – how do we do it?
Ash: You can't.
Parker: That's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
Ash: You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you?
The perfect organism.
Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility.
Lambert: You admire it.
Ash: I admire its purity. A survivor … unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.
Parker: Well, I don't. I've heard enough of this, and I'm asking you to pull the plug.
Ash: Last words.
Ripley: What?
Ash: I can't lie to you about your chances, but... you have my sympathies.

Of course then James Cameron cast the muppet show as an alien hive, and had them explode in a hilarious floop of tapioca every time a space marine shot them, naded them or sneezed violently, but this game is really more geared towards the first film's creature, to "re-Alien the Alien".

Like all fans who subscribe to this belief, you misinterpret what the words "Perfect Organism" mean. No biological or machine entity is "invincible." Difficult to kill, yes. Invincible, no. The movie and the book show in a quite a few instances that the Alien in its various forms can be injured and killed. After all, they'd already used a laser scalpel on the facehugger form in an an early scene, and it cut through a limb without a problem. In one of the final scenes in the movie, Ripley uses a harpoon gun which easily penetrates the creature before incinerating it in the engines. Additionally, in the book, the Alien gets one of its limbs removed by an airlock door which causes catastrophic damage to the airlock. So, it's not anywhere close to an invincible creature.

So what does "perfect organism" mean? In the book which came from earlier drafts of the script, there is a far more lengthy discussion about hunting Kane's son. They discuss breaking out laser weapons, but can't afford to take the risk that an injured creature could cause a hull breech possibly exhausting their limited oxygen supply. They also discuss going back into the freezers and depressurizing the ship, but they can't be sure that it wouldn't survive the vacuum and the cold and kill them while they were vulnerable. In the movie, Parker summarizes the conundrum quite aptly when he quips, "it's got a perfect defense mechanism, you don't dare kill it." Ash's final words in the book which are a bit more lengthy talks about how humans would have less of a chance against it than the crew of the derelict, but that he might if he wasn't in pieces. So, Ash's view that the organism is invincible is relative not absolute. Ash's final play in the book is much more direct and his intention to demoralize the crew into leaving the alien alone is much more transparent. What Ash says in the book in his final words is that the alien is a "perfectly organized organism. Superbly structured, cunning, quintessentially violent." And chides them with a final warning, "With your limited capabilities, you have no chance against it." I believe that the Ash in the movie shares the same motivation, but expresses it more subtly and in a much more insidious fashion. And, that's why I don't believe "perfect organism" was meant to be taken as "invincible" originally. It's intention was to demoralize rather than inform.

[Lanzagranadas]

Originally posted by Berserk Smurf:

Of course then James Cameron cast the muppet show as an alien hive, and had them explode in a hilarious floop of tapioca every time a space marine shot them, naded them or sneezed violently, but this game is really more geared towards the first film's creature, to "re-Alien the Alien".

But weren't the Colonial Marines supposed to have special weaponry designed to confront anything? I don't think that breaks the lore at all. In this game we use conventional fire arms and handcrafted bombs, which indeed basically don't do sh¡t against the Alien.

[Bobby]

Originally posted by Lanzagranadas:

Originally posted by Berserk Smurf:

Of course then James Cameron cast the muppet show as an alien hive, and had them explode in a hilarious floop of tapioca every time a space marine shot them, naded them or sneezed violently, but this game is really more geared towards the first film's creature, to "re-Alien the Alien".

But weren't the Colonial Marines supposed to have special weaponry designed to confront anything? I don't think that breaks the lore at all. In this game we use conventional fire arms and handcrafted bombs, which indeed basically don't do sh¡t against the Alien.

The other thing that goes Titz up is using explosives in what is -essentialy- a PURE oxygen filled space station. Also since the Alien is a completely made-up film whatever James Cameron decided would work -ballistic wise- who are we to argue? Besides it's not like Jaws or some creature/environment etc that we can relate to and contradict -other than what i said about an oxygen filled space station being highly enflammable.

The creature could be anything that it wanted to be and was. Films always want heroes and a 'winner'. Same as games. If we feel it's pointless engaging the Alien then it dampens our natural enthusiasm. We want to se it hurt, or we are slowing it down. My case is enjoyed interacting with the Working Joe's and just out-smarting the Alien by trying to NOT engage it. It's still great using stuff that makes it bolt with it's tail between its legs though!

[Purity+Control<]

they should have added some acid burns to show that we hurt it at least when throwing a pipe bomb in its face. But yeah, in this game, the thing is pretty much invincible.

[stylegamr]

@DNC, I don't think the Alien was created by another race, rather it was discovered and it's potential to weaponise it was exploited. (Prometheus)
It was discovered that the alien can uniquely adapt with any known living organism, creating offshoots/mutants with unique traits (Covenant).
But honestly there is so little information of Alien available even the directors have given us contradicting theories.

[stylegamr]

I think this was a concern that really made this game inaccessible to many gamers.