Alien: Isolation

Alien: Isolation

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Thorn Sep 17, 2015 @ 7:26pm
Who laid the eggs?
There's no queen alien onboard so how did face hugger eggs get laid all over the place? In Allens, E. Ripley confronts the queen alien as she's laying eggs from her ovipositor and then proceeds to destroy the eggs right in front of the queen just to make her angry. Think she blows the queen alien's ovipositor off too. But the queen alien was huge compared to the alien drones. Who fertilizes the eggs? The male drones? And how can you tell a male from a female alien?
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Maniac86 Sep 17, 2015 @ 8:21pm 
I think its like with some insects, if a xenomorph is born (IE: bursts out of a chest) and detects no other xeno's (via pheremones?) then it will begin to morph into a queen. You can see at the end of Alien it was alread building a lair on the nostromo, possibly to molt/gestate into a queen.
This means even just ONE infected or one egg has the possibility to takeover an entire facility, ship... planet.
Thorn Sep 17, 2015 @ 8:28pm 
Originally posted by Maniac86:
I think its like with some insects, if a xenomorph is born (IE: bursts out of a chest) and detects no other xeno's (via pheremones?) then it will begin to morph into a queen. You can see at the end of Alien it was alread building a lair on the nostromo, possibly to molt/gestate into a queen.
This means even just ONE infected or one egg has the possibility to takeover an entire facility, ship... planet.

I figured that's what happens but there were eggs all over the place towards the end of the game. The queens are huge so I'm not sure how they get around to lay all those eggs. I think they should have just kept the eggs in a centralized play (the derelict) and they should have had a queen down there laying them for the player to destroy but the face huggers could be all over the space station because they are small and quick and can get around. Having eggs all over the space station sort of killed the immersion for me since it seemed unbelievable. Would have been a great chance for the Dev team to have put a queen in the derelict area laying eggs and we could have destroyed her with the over-surge thing we did that released all those xenomorphs. Sort of like messing with a bee nest will cause all the bees to come out and very mad.
Phazon Xenomorph Sep 17, 2015 @ 9:29pm 
I believe most drones are gender neutral with the possibility of a few males if the queen needs fertilization, or she might just be self fertile. Also yes, the drones are the ones who move the eggs around since she's pretty much immobile once shes set up unless she has to forcibly detach herself like in Aliens.

Also there WAS a Queen on Sevastopol, CA confirmed it a long while back, we just never got to see her, apparently she was one floor directly below us and we might have even been directly above her at one point. Hopefully Alien Iso 2 will let us see her.
Pandas4hire Sep 17, 2015 @ 9:50pm 
See I figured there was a queen that we didn't see. I also figured the aliens could molt into a queen. Also, this is the only game I was glad was over.
Thorn Sep 17, 2015 @ 11:02pm 
Originally posted by Phazon Xenomorph:
Hopefully Alien Iso 2 will let us see her.

But how? Sevastopol was completely destroyed in Alien Isolation. So how are they going to let us see the queen in part 2?

I sure don't want Alien Isolation 2 to be about Sevastopol prior to Amanda Ripley getting there. There's already a DLC in which you can play Axel, prior to Amanda Ripley coming onboard and that was enough.

Here's what I think would make for a good sequel...

I'd like to see Amanda being rescued by a Marine Corps search and rescue craft (just a small space craft) right where Alien Isolation left off with her eyes opening up to some sort of light.

The Marines get her onboard and she asks them how they managed to find her. They tell her that Val (captain of the Torrens) sent a distress signal and they responded but when they got to the Torrens nobody would answer the radio and they found it just drifiting in space. They tell Amanda they couldn't get onboard to check things out so they had a tow craft come and haul it back to their host mothership (a very large military space aircraft carrier) and that they were heading back to the carrier as well but were a few hours behind the tow craft.

Amanda begins to freak out and tells the Marines that they need to radio the tow craft and tell them to release the Torrens to drift in space and that it needed to be blown up. The Marines aren't sure why Amanda is freaking out so she explains to them that there's an alien lifeform onboard the Torrens that will spread if it gets to the carrier. The Marines radio to the tow craft but it's too late. The tow craft informs the Marine search and rescue craft that Amanda is on that they've already landed and the Torrens was about to be opened up and cargo extracted (in an unsuspecting joyful tone of voice). Then all hell breaks lose. On the radio you hear people screaming and then you hear pulse rifles being fired. (Apparently while Amanda was floating in space, the aliens had been breeding onboard the Torrens and lots of them rush onboard the carrier and start killing everybody onboard as soon as the Torrens is opened up.

Then the radio goes silent as the pilot of the Tow craft is killed by an alien. The Marines that Amanda is with now know that their carrier has been infected and attacked by this alien lifeform that Amanda warned them about. When they reach the carrier they don't land. They circle it and then the Captain from the carrier radios to them from the carrier bridge to inform them the carrier has been overrun by some sort of alien lifeform and that it's killing everyone. He tells the Marines (and Amanda) that they are their only hope of escape but that they are barricaded and can't esacpe from the bridge that they've locked down to prevent the aliens from getting in.

The Marines and Amanda establish a plan of a action onboard their much smaller search and rescue craft. The Marine in charge onboard the search and rescue craft doesn't want Amanda's help but he doens't know much about the aliens and how they operate while Amanda does becuase she's experienced. He sends a small squad of Marines onto the carrier to get inside to rescue the captain and anybody else they can manage to save. Amanda and the Marine in charge stay onboard the search and rescue craft and watch the head-mounted cameras of the Marine Corps squad that were sent in. The get inside the carrier and you watch them getting picked off one by one. Then the Marine in charge tells Amanda he needs her help and that she managed to survive this scourge on Svestopol and that she's the only one who knows how the aliens operate and how to defeat them. He tells Amanda they have to save the carrier because there's no help for many light years away and that they only have enough food and water on the search and rescue craft to last them another month at the most. He tells her that she has to go onboard and cleanse the carrier of the alien scourge and rescue anyone she can find. Amanda suits up in a Marine Corps outfit and is given a pulse rifle and some grendades and a motion tracker and ready to start face the alien menace again.

Berserk Slayer Sep 18, 2015 @ 1:31am 
Although I view retconning with trepidation, I think part of the message Ridley gives us with Prometheus is that the biomechanoid is a creation, that it/the black goo have a life-cycle and form that can change from generation to generation, and that it seems to have been weaponized by the engineers from first principles*. That it (if it is like the black goo) has really quickly changeable DNA that consistently produces functioning, dangerous organisms rather than going wrong and evolving into a giant amoeba, which at its extremes could mean it has anything any living creature could do (and more) available to it. Truly a terrifying and dangerous technology.

I think this meshes quite nicely with what we see in Alien/Aliens - it kills to reproduce in what would seem an impractical way for an evolved life form, but as a biological weapon not only its survival instinct but its sex drive (if any) being blended with the need to murder probably makes sense.

It also makes sense of why the creatures seem to do little but kill other species, why they gather around technology, and why we see (what I think are) quite different creatures and forms for different situations, and the suggestion of weird mercurial changes in reproductive habits in different situations. I think it would probably also shed some light on the way the creature kills in such bizarrely sadistic/sexual ways - it is getting its kicks. I think Mr Giger would approve, indeed the very notion has Giger written all over it.

In a way, what Ridley has done bridges the things about the creatures in the first two films (and even others, if we were to admit any others existed ;) ) that seemed inscrutable or inconsistent. It doesn't kill for purely utilitarian purposes, it gets its thrills in life and its survival from murdering other species. It is changeable from one generation or instance to the next.

I like the way it's being done. We will always have the first film and its bizarre creature, but really the mystery and terror has been chipped away at since then until it is almost a whimsical, commonplace thing, so I guess there's no need to keep the veil of mystery now (at least until we have watched the Prometheus films).


* (although perhaps the idea itself was developed from/created in mimicry of something that already existed in reality or the engineers' mythology, if you remember those murals on LV-223. If so, that might suggest the form is often quite similar to the creature/deacon)
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Phazon Xenomorph Sep 18, 2015 @ 2:28am 
Originally posted by ThoRn:
Originally posted by Phazon Xenomorph:
Hopefully Alien Iso 2 will let us see her.

But how? Sevastopol was completely destroyed in Alien Isolation. So how are they going to let us see the queen in part 2?

I sure don't want Alien Isolation 2 to be about Sevastopol prior to Amanda Ripley getting there. There's already a DLC in which you can play Axel, prior to Amanda Ripley coming onboard and that was enough.

You misunderstand. At the end of Alien Iso there was at least that one Alien on board the Torrens when Amanda ejected herself out of that airlock into space. The Alien itself most likely hung on and climbed back in (just like the one on the Nostromo did for the Narcissus when Ripley was trying to get it off her escape craft). Only reason that one fully went into space was that harpoon hook she impaled it with then fried it with the ships thrusters.

We can safely assume since CA wants to make a second Alien Isolation game, they will probably continue from there with that ship ending up at some other space station or perhaps a planet-based colony, that Alien (and any others if it's not the sole one) will escape and start the whole situation over again. Somehow Amanda will become involved in this and have to do the whole escapade over again.

It is in this second game, at that second location, that we will get to see a Queen hopefully, in all her crowned and large sized glory, in the center of a nest, laying eggs and wanting nothing more than to kill us as we torch the living hell out of said eggs.
Atlantis Sep 18, 2015 @ 2:41am 
to be Newt on LV426 Hadley Hope and have to survive the initial infestation and see what all took place before ripley and the marines arrive, that should be the second game
Moon Dweller Sep 18, 2015 @ 6:03am 
Originally posted by ThoRn:
There's no queen alien onboard so how did face hugger eggs get laid all over the place? In Allens, E. Ripley confronts the queen alien as she's laying eggs from her ovipositor and then proceeds to destroy the eggs right in front of the queen just to make her angry. Think she blows the queen alien's ovipositor off too. But the queen alien was huge compared to the alien drones. Who fertilizes the eggs? The male drones? And how can you tell a male from a female alien?
I dunno.
Thorn Sep 18, 2015 @ 8:07am 
Originally posted by Slow Start:
to be Newt on LV426 Hadley Hope and have to survive the initial infestation and see what all took place before ripley and the marines arrive, that should be the second game

That would be cool.
Thorn Sep 18, 2015 @ 8:19am 
Originally posted by MattFiler:
In an interview with Gary Napper they asked him this question and his response was that the queen was indeed on Sevastopol, but the game didn't take Amanda down to her as the player would of expected a boss battle and that's not the type of game they were aiming for.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/interview-creative-assembly-post-launch/


The general fan-theory though is that they used the egg morphing process from the deleted scene in Alien.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MCoefVgW9w
That process suggests that the Xenos tie people up on the walls and the spit-like substance they use to make the nest begins to break down the skin and that, eventually morphing the person into an egg, from which a facehugger is born and the process continues. There would eventually be a 'royal facehugger' come from an egg which would impregnate a queen so they could reproduce faster (as is in Ripley in Alien 3).


But yeah, the official word is that the Queen was on Sevastopol.
I guess the egg morphing process must of been used back when there was only one Xeno on Sevastopol for it to reproduce and create a hive, so the theory still stands - unless the person brought on board originally had a royal facehugger on them, then a queen would of been born straight away, but the original facehugger was from the derelict, so I doubt that would be the case.
I get why they left meeting the Queen out, but it would of been nice to maybe have a hint towards the Queen or maybe even an easter egg where you can unlock the door in the hive and see her.

I never saw that deleted scene before but if the spit-like substance breaks down human flesh and bone and turns the person into an egg with face hugger in it then that's pretty cool - and very disturbing.
Nova Sep 18, 2015 @ 7:02pm 
About egg-morphing. That is 100% non-canon. It has never been accepted by anyone other than some wannabe purists who only worship the first Alien film. The Directors cut version of Alien is the non-canon version with a few things and mostly just has Egg-morphing when they were considering making that the way the Alien reproduces without already existing eggs. That idea was 100% scrapped though once James Cameron made Aliens with the Queen herself, in all her glory.
Ezekiel Sep 18, 2015 @ 11:20pm 
Originally posted by Nova:
About egg-morphing. That is 100% non-canon. It has never been accepted by anyone other than some wannabe purists who only worship the first Alien film. The Directors cut version of Alien is the non-canon version with a few things and mostly just has Egg-morphing when they were considering making that the way the Alien reproduces without already existing eggs. That idea was 100% scrapped though once James Cameron made Aliens with the Queen herself, in all her glory.
Egg-morphing or some kind of parasitic reproduction is implied in both cuts of Alien. Ask yourself why the alien left no trace of its first two victims, Dallas and Brett, but left the later two bloody. One can easily infer that it would replicate the reproduction method from which it was born. James Cameron just didn't understand what was implied. I'm fine with that, though. His queen was better for his movie. But the first alien in Isolation being a queen would be ridiculously bad luck. And if there was a queen, it seems like a really, really lame copout not to show it. The game got stale at points. Queen stealth sections would have helped.
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Ezekiel Sep 18, 2015 @ 11:30pm 
Originally posted by Slow Start:
to be Newt on LV426 Hadley Hope and have to survive the initial infestation and see what all took place before ripley and the marines arrive, that should be the second game
I doubt Sega would make a game in which a child is brutally killed again and again. I find prequels in general kind of lame. You already know where the story is going. As the producer of the Star Wars trilogy once said, “I don’t like the idea of prequels. They make the filmmakers back in to material they’ve already covered and it boxes in the story.” I want a new main character, but I'm expecting Amanda again.
Ezekiel Sep 19, 2015 @ 1:58am 
Originally posted by MattFiler:
Originally posted by Ezekiel:
And if there was a queen, it seems like a really, really lame copout not to show it. The game got stale at points. Queen stealth sections would have helped.
In an interview with Gary Napper they asked him if there was a queen onboard and his response was that the queen was indeed on Sevastopol, but the game didn't take Amanda down to her as the player would of expected a boss battle and that's not the type of game they were aiming for.
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/interviews/interview-creative-assembly-post-launch/
I know. If James Cameron's Aliens is not what they were aiming for, they should have just shown eggmorphing and said nothing about a queen. Eggmorphing is great horror.
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