Question about Chestbursters

[Epicboog]

so I haven't watched the movies, they're on the list but haven't got there yet and so I don't know if they have been proven to be very Agile and swift like the facehuggers, I ask because the blood from Marlow's Wife in the hospital leads straight to the vent but Im guessing it didnt immediately grow into its Juvinile state

[Dayve]

Originalmente postado por Epicboog:

so I haven't watched the movies, they're on the list but haven't got there yet and so I don't know if they have been proven to be very Agile and swift like the facehuggers, I ask because the blood from Marlow's Wife in the hospital leads straight to the vent but Im guessing it didnt immediately grow into its Juvinile state

They're barely shown in the movies. They're defenceless when they're born so they immediately "run" away (more like slither very quickly because they don't have legs yet, they're like a snake) and hide until they can grow into a xeno and start killing.

It's never revealed exactly how long they take to grow into an adult but it seems very quick, like a few days.

[Dayve]

Originalmente postado por Typharius:

Originalmente postado por Dayve:

They're barely shown in the movies. They're defenceless when they're born so they immediately "run" away (more like slither very quickly because they don't have legs yet, they're like a snake) and hide until they can grow into a xeno and start killing.

It's never revealed exactly how long they take to grow into an adult but it seems very quick, like a few days.

Nope, it's hours. Alien plot is less than one day:

'Are you finished!? (to Vasquez) I hope you're right. I really do. ... Because just one of those things managed to wipe out my entire crew in less than twenty-four hours!' - Ripley

*SPOILER*

Its fully grown in hours in the film, hence why they're expecting something cat sized before Brett bites the dust.

I always took that to mean that it wiped her crew out in less than 24h once it was fully grown and began killing them. It kills Kain when it's born obviously, but after that we're not shown how much time passes between it being born and the death of Brett, but we do see a funeral with Kain being ejected into space, so I assume at least a day has passed for the funeral and for them to absorb and discuss the situation.

Of course, the cuts in editing make it seem like the three things happen immediately after one another - alien is born from Kain, cut, funeral, cut, Brett gets killed by a fully grown xeno. But how much time is actually passing inbetween the cuts? We just don't know.

In Aliens we are shown even less. We know Newt's father is patient zero at Hadley's Hope, but how much time passed between the alien being born from him, growing up and beginning its killing spree? We're never told.

Same with Alien 3. Alien is born from the dog (or the cow if you watch the superior Assembly Cut version), then a couple of scenes later it's wiping out the whole colony, but again we're just not told how much time passed.

[Dayve]

Originalmente postado por Typharius:

No, its hours.

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Xenomorph_life_cycle#Growth_and_maturity

Its discussed by Ridley Scott and Dan O Bannen

Oh okay, I never knew Ridley Scott himself said it. I guess that settles it then.

[Dayve]

Originalmente postado por Typharius:

Originalmente postado por Dayve:

Oh okay, I never knew Ridley Scott himself said it. I guess that settles it then.

Makes them all the more terrifying doesn't it?

I kinda think it would be more terrifying if they just hid and took a few days. Like the others see someone die as it is born as a chestburster, then it disappears and they're all shocked but life returns to normal, then a few days later people just start to randomly disappear and nobody knows what the hell is going on.

I think the situation aboard Sevastopol is the most terrifying out of the whole Alien franchise, to be honest. After the alien is born from Foster, the marshals and medical staff don't inform the rest of the station what's happening. It's 19 whole days between the first alien being born and the riot in space-flight terminal, where Marshal Waits promises to inform the people on Sevastopol of what's going on but still doesn't tell them there's an alien. Then it's another 9 days until the Torrens arrives, by which time there's barely like 10% of the original number of people still alive.

A whole month of being trapped on a station with people disappearing all the time, wild rumours flying around, levels of paranoia and fear so extreme that nobody trusts anybody and groups begin to form and fight one another.

[Dayve]

Originalmente postado por Typharius:

Originalmente postado por Dayve:

I kinda think it would be more terrifying if they just hid and took a few days. Like the others see someone die as it is born as a chestburster, then it disappears and they're all shocked but life returns to normal, then a few days later people just start to randomly disappear and nobody knows what the hell is going on.

I think the situation aboard Sevastopol is the most terrifying out of the whole Alien franchise, to be honest. After the alien is born from Foster, the marshals and medical staff don't inform the rest of the station what's happening. It's 19 whole days between the first alien being born and the riot in space-flight terminal, where Marshal Waits promises to inform the people on Sevastopol of what's going on but still doesn't tell them there's an alien. Then it's another 9 days until the Torrens arrives, by which time there's barely like 10% of the original number of people still alive.

A whole month of being trapped on a station with people disappearing all the time, wild rumours flying around, levels of paranoia and fear so extreme that nobody trusts anybody and groups begin to form and fight one another.

Yeah it was grim. Similar situation at Hadley's Hope too, but not on the scale of Sevastopol, plus the stations size and creepiness anyway *shudder*

I find Alien Isolation to be as worthy as the first two films in terms of story and setting.

Same. It's so good that in my mind it's the legitimate second entry in the franchise. Isolation is actually Alien 2. Aliens is Alien 3. 3 is 4, and none of the others even exist because they SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[BWDeadcat]

Re: hours, not days (alien maturity): one of the scenes in the 'Alien' Director's Cut is Ripley torching the room where the other crew members are cocooned. That takes time, and presumably a mature alien. So, yes, very fast maturity. If it took less than 24 hours to pick off (cocoon) the entire crew, then the alien had to get big enough to handle full-grown adults, especially Parker, and get there rapidly. What was the nutrient source that allowed that level of growth (it cocooned the crew instead of consuming them)? (Leftovers from the meal no one got to finish?) Plus, it had to extrude the cocooning material, another resource requirement.
Still collating.
Was Ash feeding it?

[Epicboog]

Originalmente postado por Typharius:

Originalmente postado por BWDeadcat:

Re: hours, not days (alien maturity): one of the scenes in the 'Alien' Director's Cut is Ripley torching the room where the other crew members are cocooned. That takes time, and presumably a mature alien. So, yes, very fast maturity. If it took less than 24 hours to pick off (cocoon) the entire crew, then the alien had to get big enough to handle full-grown adults, especially Parker, and get there rapidly. What was the nutrient source that allowed that level of growth (it cocooned the crew instead of consuming them)? (Leftovers from the meal no one got to finish?) Plus, it had to extrude the cocooning material, another resource requirement.
Still collating.
Was Ash feeding it?

Dude I already answered it lol.

You did this on your other post with the 57 hours too lol, right beneath my comment.

As for nutrition that's another matter, it's unknown what they use for it or even if they need it. Theres one scene in 3cwhere it looks like it's eating a corpse but that's all we have. Ash in the novel theorises its oxygen helping it grow so fast.

They probably dont need anything at all, they have some sort of metabolism which can grow the with whatever it gets from eating out of its host, and they're evolved to be indestructible so they don't need to keep repairing with a intake of protein. as for energy, well, they obviously must have some sort of Mitochondria (The Power house of the cell if you didnt know) that only needs oxygen and very little which allows them to be active in little-to no atmosphere areas

[Epicboog]

Originalmente postado por Typharius:

Oh no you linked it before I edited it xD

Sorry for being a ♥♥♥♥ about it deadcat.

ok but do I need to remind you that the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell

[Epicboog]

Originalmente postado por Typharius:

Originalmente postado por Epicboog:

ok but do I need to remind you that the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell

No, I studied biology at university for a time ^^

But mitochondria evolved on earth, its theorised by another simple cell absorbing it by phagocytosis. Who knows what the xenomorphs have.

Xenochondria

[BWDeadcat]

Originalmente postado por Typharius:

Oh no you linked it before I edited it xD

Sorry for being a ♥♥♥♥ about it deadcat.

No worries. I'm frequently oblivious to the rest of the world when I'm typing comments. I may have missed your entry. All good. And all in good fun.

[Epicboog]

Maybe they feed off something in the atmosphere
or a microscopic dust

[Epicboog]

Originalmente postado por Typharius:

Originalmente postado por BWDeadcat:

No worries. I'm frequently oblivious to the rest of the world when I'm typing comments. I may have missed your entry. All good. And all in good fun.

I apologise anyway, its 0400 here and I'm suffering a bad bout of insomnia lately; exhausted but can't sleep, so I can be a bit prickly. Sent you some points too.

you should try to sleep

[Epicboog]

Originalmente postado por Typharius:

Originalmente postado por Epicboog:

you should try to sleep

If it were so easy... I've been awake 3 days before with my insomnia its horrendous.

that sounds like its bad but Im a rookie its like 2am at the latest for me

[BWDeadcat]

Originalmente postado por Typharius:

Originalmente postado por BWDeadcat:

Re: hours, not days (alien maturity): one of the scenes in the 'Alien' Director's Cut is Ripley torching the room where the other crew members are cocooned. That takes time, and presumably a mature alien. So, yes, very fast maturity. If it took less than 24 hours to pick off (cocoon) the entire crew, then the alien had to get big enough to handle full-grown adults, especially Parker, and get there rapidly. What was the nutrient source that allowed that level of growth (it cocooned the crew instead of consuming them)? (Leftovers from the meal no one got to finish?) Plus, it had to extrude the cocooning material, another resource requirement.
Still collating.
Was Ash feeding it?

As for nutrition that's another matter, it's unknown what they use for it or even if they need it as we understand it. Theres one scene in 3 where it *looks* like it's eating a corpse but that's all we have, and that film cannot be trusted. Note that at the Acheron hive in Aliens, weeks after cocooning, none of the colonists had been eaten.

Ash in the novel theorises it's oxygen helping it grow so fast.

My thanks for the points, but truly no need to apologize. I'm 71. If there's a bit of oversnark or grouchy I've NOT done in my life, I'm unaware of it.
Re: Ash and O²: his Wey-Yu standing order ('Crew expendable- all other priorities rescinded') tells me he would obfuscate to whatever extent necessary to hide the true nature of the 'specimen', for which he was obviously prepared.
For example: he suddenly and miraculously produces multiple factory-grade motion detectors that he claims measure 'micro-changes in air density'? (Ripley: 'Micro-changes in air density, my ass...')
Gives rise to the credibility (those darn prequels) that Wey-Yu knew what they were looking for when they replaced the regular science officer with Ash at the last minute. Much of the backstory still yet to be told. I hope Ridley Scott gets to tell it.

[chumface]

Originalmente postado por Dayve:

Originalmente postado por Typharius:

Yeah it was grim. Similar situation at Hadley's Hope too, but not on the scale of Sevastopol, plus the stations size and creepiness anyway *shudder*

I find Alien Isolation to be as worthy as the first two films in terms of story and setting.

Same. It's so good that in my mind it's the legitimate second entry in the franchise. Isolation is actually Alien 2. Aliens is Alien 3. 3 is 4, and none of the others even exist because they SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

That is why I refuse to even watch them. The "story" ended with Aliens and everyone "Lived Happily Ever After"...well except for the ones who got killed! LOL