Amanda Ripley....

[Wobb the Great and Terrible!!!!!]

.... Is it just me, or is she a bigger badass than her mother, the legendary Ellen Ripley?
I mean for most of the first movie Ellen Ripley is terrified, and has her friends helping her try to deal with the situation. She doesn't really become a proper badass until the end, when she sets (and then tries to over-ride) the self destruct mechanism, and then goes on to defeat the alien.
In this game, Amanda almost immediately gets to grips with her situation, and constantly goes pretty much face to face with the alien on a regular basis without turning into a dribbling mess in the corner.
She fashions tools and weapons from scrap and spare parts, designs them specifically to startle, distract or hurt the alien (as much as she can hurt it), and does every single thing on her own. The best help she has from anyone else is the odd person (or android) over the radio, telling her where to go and what to do.

If Amanda were to get into a situation like Ellen found herself in in aliens or alien 3, I imagine she would just deal with it in minutes and head home for a beer.

[NinthElement]

Not to mention that amazing upper-body strength. Leaping between ladders isn't as easy as it looks. Even crouch walking is pretty tough unless you squat like a pro.

[Þiudareiks]

Originally posted by wobbler:

....designs them specifically to startle, distract or hurt the alien (as much as she can hurt it), and does every single thing on her own.

Not trying to contend with her badassery just want to point out that she doesn't make the plans and two makeshift weapons she gets, those were created by clever Sevastopol employees who are desperate and she comes across them (is gifted one of the weapons) so not entirely on her own for that bit. But then again her mother was just a space trucker while Amanda fully understands the plans and figures out how to put them together with scrap and random parts through her experience as an engineer/technician. Her knowledge also comes in handy for bypassing doors and fixing tools she needs along the way. I'll also point out that Ellen didn't make her motion sensor or flame thrower in Alien either.

I personally think the daughter is a bit more bad ass, and very resourceful but I also don't think that subtracts from her mother either (not that I think you are saying this anyway). I'm glad she isn't just Ellen version 2 but her own person.

I'm not going to hold her not being able to kill the alien against her because that is just he games design not really anything against her own actions. Of course killing the alien carelessly would have also resulted in major haul breaches if the game was approached completely cannon thus killing her. Pipe bomb near the window, depressurization. Alien bleeds to close to the station's haul, depressurization... ect.

Spoiler Technically she does kill several aliens, one falls into the planet once purged (the planets gravity would pull that section of the station down. She also kills several of them when she purges the hive but she unfortunately doesn't get them all but does destroy all of them on the station with the self destruct at the end.

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Originally posted by ValentinElohimAran:

There isn't any prove that any alien was killed.
Therefore she didn't kill any alien in the entire game.

Terminator T-1000 was terminated.

Amanda didn't kill any aliens.

;);)

Then Ellen Ripley didn't kill the alien at the end of the first movie either.

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Originally posted by Þiudreiks:

Originally posted by wobbler:

....designs them specifically to startle, distract or hurt the alien (as much as she can hurt it), and does every single thing on her own.

I personally think the daughter is a bit more bad ass, and very resourceful but I also don't think that subtracts from her mother either (not that I think you are saying this anyway). I'm glad she isn't just Ellen version 2 but her own person.


Spoiler Technically she does kill several aliens, one falls into the planet once purged (the planets gravity would pull that section of the station down. She also kills several of them when she purges the hive but she unfortunately doesn't get them all but does destroy all of them on the station with the self destruct at the end.

Yes, I did not mean to take away from how badass Ellen Ripley is. She's still the top movie badass of all time, in the women's category, for me.

And you're exactly right, she kills multiple aliens. Even enters an alien hive with no weapon able to kill an alien, and successfully gets through it, back out, and blows the bloody thing.
How badass is that?
She kills probably about as many aliens here as Ellen does in alien and aliens combined. And she does it without any weapons that can kill an alien.

[WhitePhantom]

That's just the difference in storytelling between a movie and a game.

[Þiudareiks]

Originally posted by modsley:

I just feel her Mum would be fully armed and wouldn't allow other people to get her to do stuff on her own.

There is only one movie where she runs around fully armed and that is because she is with the Colonial Marines. The first movie they had to make shift the flamethrowers, third movie she was on a prison with no weapons, and the fourth movie it isn't even her but a clone hybrid with genetic memory and she is once again able to obtain some weapons from the dead soldiers.

As for the part about being bossed around and forced to work on her own, what would Ellen have done in the same scenario (we never see her in this exact position)? How would she have been able to solicit help from the survivors on the station?

It wasn't like Wayland-Yatani sent her in knowing that the aliens existed and were there. The company doesn't even know what exactly happened to the Nostromo and what information they did have on the alien wasn't disclosed, which isn't much at this point from my understanding of the franchise. In Alien all we really know is that they knew of the signal and put Ash on the ship to ensure the signal is investigated and any possibly useful alien tech or entity made its way back to their R&D department. Those dispatched on the Torrens know nothing of the possibility of an aggressive and hostile alien as this all takes place before Aliens, they were just going there to claim the black box. If memory serves it wasn't until the Torrens was in transit to the location that WY bought the station.

Back to the point on doing things on her own, as I have wandered off that point, when you are dealing with people who refuse to be helpful how do you force them to help. If they had any real backbone to help Amanda they would be helping her (and I have to commend Amanda's buddy Ricardo, who showed he had balls (as well as integrity) beyond the rest of the Marshalls by putting himself on the line through the story and gets face hugged for it for Amanda; even if it wasn't crawling through ducts).

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Originally posted by ValentinElohimAran:

Originally posted by wobbler:

Then Ellen Ripley didn't kill the alien at the end of the first movie either.

She stars in 4 movies.
She killed aliens.
So Amanda is just a baby. Nothing more. Mom's baby.

;););)

Yes, we know she killed aliens in general.
But I said in the first movie. We don't know that the alien in the very first movie died as a result of Ripley's actions.

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Originally posted by ValentinElohimAran:

Originally posted by wobbler:

.... Is it just me, or is she a bigger badass than her mother, the legendary Ellen Ripley?

No she's not at all.

:):):)

Make your case. Change my mind.
Within her first experience with the alien, tell me how you think Ellen was more capable, more badass, than her daughter Ellen was. Her daughter Ellen who was a few years younger than Amanda was when she first met the xenomorph as well.
I think Amanda just dealth with the situation better and was more equipped to make her stand (in a locker, but still a stand), and was more fearless when confronted with not just one but countless aliens and facehuggers all in one small area.

As badass as Ellen Ripley was, I don't think she was that capable or tough on her first encounter. Not to be able to get past many aliens and take out multiple facehuggers, all in one day.

Again, this is not to take away from Ripley's baddass-ery. She is still about the most badass woman in cinematic history, I think.
But side by side, with the game as canon, Amanda has the edge I think.

[Wobb the Great and Terrible!!!!!]

Originally posted by ValentinElohimAran:

Originally posted by wobbler:

Make your case. Change my mind.
Within her first experience with the alien, tell me how you think Ellen was more capable, more badass, than her daughter Ellen was. Her daughter Ellen who was a few years younger than Amanda was when she first met the xenomorph as well.
I think Amanda just dealth with the situation better and was more equipped to make her stand (in a locker, but still a stand), and was more fearless when confronted with not just one but countless aliens and facehuggers all in one small area.

As badass as Ellen Ripley was, I don't think she was that capable or tough on her first encounter. Not to be able to get past many aliens and take out multiple facehuggers, all in one day.

Again, this is not to take away from Ripley's baddass-ery. She is still about the most badass woman in cinematic history, I think.
But side by side, with the game as canon, Amanda has the edge I think.

You asked a question, you got your answer. There isn't any case.
Amanda isn't badass at all. She's mom's baby. That's all.
We aren't here to make cases and write movies and games stories. It costs money, a lot of money.

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