Why tech seems so outdated?

[kirill-busidow]

Why technical seems so outdated by look of it? You use clunky, big disks for date, tape recorders, monitors are small, emails are presented in horrible mail system - it does not look at all as if this happens in future.

[kirsche]

The game would be worse, if they wouldn't manage to rebuild the old style. You will realize that, when you grow up and see franchises of your childhood differ far from the original in newer installments.

[mordsithmorgan]

Publicado originalmente por meson1:

I read somewhere that when they started out developing this game, Creative Assembly contacted the original makers of the first Alien movie, to see what they had that could help.

They were sent a veritable treasure trove of materials, technical drawings, set designs, photographs and even some physical set components and loads of props. They got to see exactly how the sets were built and lit, photographs of various elements from angles not shown in the film. And just loads and loads of stuff.

More than enough material to meticulously recreate everything in digital form and light it just the way they did on film down to the minutest detail. No wonder this game looks so amazing.

this. but also yes, as others have said, it's retrofuturism and what the future was thought to perhaps look like when the present was the 80s. honestly... you play a game and know nothing about the mythology of the world in which it was created!?

[Bigfoot]

Publicado originalmente por kirill-busidow:

I mean you can watch Matrix or play Deus Ex, future is much more realistic there. Technology in film and in this game is too outdated.

Shouldnt they upgrade tech for just a game? Like in Prometeus movie.

fam please watch the movie you will not regret it

[kirill-busidow]

I mean people in 80s (70s?) were smart people, why would they even think someone would keep using cumbersome, horrid looking, unwieldy, outdated tech (of their era, no less) in far future of space travel? Like monochrome computers, was it so hard to guess that visuals would be of that human eye allows (and then eye implants would be common)?

[Berserk Breton]

Why was it so hard to guess what non-existent technologies would seem futuristic 38 years later?

For the same reason it's hard for you to guess what will seem futuristic 38 years from now (probably some sort of extra advanced stick for tying a goat to, the way things are going at the moment :) ).

[Sawboss]

The fact you keep restating the same thing after it has already been explained multiple times makes me think your trolling.

They chose to use clunky analogue technology in the original film to emphasise that it was not a shiny high-tech science fiction setting, but an isolated grimey blue collar workplace in space. I just explained it again for some reason.

[prototype81]

This thread is amazingly entertaining but frustrating at the same time. The future created by ridley scott is a very well imagined possibility. It's not out of ignorance that it is considered one of the best science fiction series humans have created. This is also not the only fiction where the world is realised as a mash up of old and new technology, it's actually quite common in the sci fi world.

[Soulpuppet]

Just remember the future in 1979 looked a lot different to them to what it does to us in 2019. They made it to look like the original film...I say....I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ love it!

[johncage]

Publicado originalmente por kirill-busidow:

Why technical seems so outdated by look of it? You use clunky, big disks for date, tape recorders, monitors are small, emails are presented in horrible mail system - it does not look at all as if this happens in future.

you're a moron

[kirill-busidow]

Publicado originalmente por ⎛⎝ Soulpuppet ⎠⎞:

Just remember the future in 1979 looked a lot different to them to what it does to us in 2019. They made it to look like the original film...I say....I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ love it!

If i made film in 1979 i would realise already that people in far-far future people wouldnt use antique cassete-disks and use monochrome monitors. Why would they use so-low tech if they master high enough tech to make space-travel possible?

Its like using primitive stone-throwers as weapons for giant mech warrior combat. If you can build battle mechs why would you use strone-throwers and slings? If you shoot enemy with primitive stones how it is possible you can build advanced cyborgs at same time?

[Shakes]

Publicado originalmente por kirill-busidow:

If i made film in 1979 i would realise already that people in far-far future people wouldnt use antique cassete-disks and use monochrome monitors. Why would they use so-low tech if they master high enough tech to make space-travel possible?

Its like using primitive stone-throwers as weapons for giant mech warrior combat. If you can build battle mechs why would you use strone-throwers and slings? If you shoot enemy with primitive stones how it is possible you can build advanced cyborgs at same time?

In the 60s, people thought that we would have flying cars and have colonies on the moon, and that aliens would invade in flying saucers. It's 2019 and we have none of those. How would they have possibly known what would come to pass so far ahead in time? Visions of the future are based on the technology and knowledge of the time they were imagined in. We don't know what earth is going to look like 50 years from now, do we? So how could we choose to illustrate the future with anything except what we know and can imagine at the time? There's no way of knowing if in the future we have soldiers in Iron Man suits, colonies on Mars, or have just been nuked to oblivion. Humans aren't clairvoyant; we can only guess and imagine such things.

[commander]

Publicado originalmente por kirill-busidow:

Publicado originalmente por ⎛⎝ Soulpuppet ⎠⎞:

Just remember the future in 1979 looked a lot different to them to what it does to us in 2019. They made it to look like the original film...I say....I ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ love it!

If i made film in 1979 i would realise already that people in far-far future people wouldnt use antique cassete-disks and use monochrome monitors. Why would they use so-low tech if they master high enough tech to make space-travel possible?

Its like using primitive stone-throwers as weapons for giant mech warrior combat. If you can build battle mechs why would you use strone-throwers and slings? If you shoot enemy with primitive stones how it is possible you can build advanced cyborgs at same time?

At the time of the film, there's a reason they called it (science-fiction), in our homes we didn't have such computers that were in the movie Alien 1, computers in labs were as big as rooms that were just as fast if not even.. as fast as the computers on Alien 1. And in our homes.. we had smaller computers that couldn't even match the technology and power of those on Alien 1 at the time, that's common sense dude.

And then the technology was matched right before the 90s, the mid to late 90s then passed that technology and the specific technology such as the computers from Alien 1.. was no longer sci-fi, just the alien itself and the atmosphere around it.

So basically back then, you couldn't have dreamed of having a computer that would match those in Alien 1 and beyond that in the mid to late 90s, and beyond.. since it was known as (science-fiction) the definition itself if you look it up.
"fiction based on imagined future scientific or technological advances and major social or environmental changes, frequently portraying space or time travel and life on other planets."
And the movie Alien 1 was known as (science-fiction) at the time even with the computers in the movie.. was it not? Yes it was.

Although you see.. it would take your mind to understand what it was like at that time, if your mind could imagine it, and did you imagine it? Have you watched the Alien movies, played the Alien games, read the Alien comics and had any Alien toys or activity from the same series, throughout your life since you were a little kid? What about for decades like some of us? If not, that is why you don't understand it and can't see it, but that gives you no right to judge it and change anyone's ways like the gaming industry does and (specific bad) movie directors do today.
Just because you don't understand something, doesn't give you the right to change it, that's like ripping away memories from nostalgia with parts of retro we like, or what we know is best for modern.
Also.. take something like Halloween, with the monsters and such as a holiday we celebrate, the fun you have on it.. now take for that time in the late 70s.. mix what was creative and a good imagination, make something out of it such as a survival-horror in space, and you got Alien 1, not only did you get Alien 1.. but you got it at a time when people needed creativity and imagination the most, that kind of creativity in the late 70s? That would be like us finding intelligent alien life and creatures / animals on other planets today! And being able to go there at the same time to explore and meet them.
Not only that, if I can remember correctly.. the worlds governments didn't exactly talk about high-tech as often as we wanted to hear it so conspiracies were a big thing at that time, and when Alien 1 came out.. that was a big thing. Since UFOs were a big thing at that time (just an example). And did you know that we found out that Germans had UFOs at that time more advanced than our technology? They found a German engineer in his basement working on anti-gravity technology in the 1900s, and they took him away from his family to use him for creating weapons and flying planes, they also had some technology hidden in one of the bells during one of the wars in Germany.
The Germans didn't have enough time to mass-produce the new technology that went into planes such as their UFOs, so they took the few that they had and actually used them in the war, and failed over the massive units that took them down.
It's a shame that German engineer isn't still around to work on anti-gravity.

Though a lot of this stuff was kept from the public for a long time, and so we could only enjoy what was given to us, such as the Alien 1 movie, and that became extremely popular and our memories would want to see something just as amazing for modern, yet we don't get movies and games as good (in a modern way).
The same with the fossil-fuel industry, they wouldn't let us for the longest time.. make anything new because you were threatened and some people disappeared if they came up with new ideas, but the world has had enough stupidity and pollution, which is why we work on fusion world-wide so much right now in a competing race between different private companies and the ITER project itself, it's good to see people are coming together and working together, to make things happen. Those aren't the only new and good technologies coming, and it's rapidly progressing faster than you can believe, search youtube (not to say to believe everything on youtube), but if you know where to search.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW_YCWLyv6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_QS2fZrGuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4eTAYbuvyQ

And so much more, like warp drives in 30 - 50 years, advanced computing such as classical computing algorithms are advancing (the only thing keeping classical computing ahead of quantum computing), Optical / Photonic computing, Quantum computing, Neuromorphic computing, Ubiquitous computing and so on, many other technologies coming as well. Have you seen where Neuromorphic computing is at? Some private companies are already testing prototypes that are still in early stages and not that good, but not the type of prototype that they would show to the public of course since it's far from ready.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM7hdDZN2YI
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=neuromorphic+computing

And where silicon could be replaced by other technologies.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=seeker+computer+chips
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=computer+chips+singularity+prosperity

And all the amazing things Graphene can do.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=graphene

And there are so many other technologies happening.
My point being though, that none of this could have been possible if we didn't push recently for technology to go much further, and you couldn't do this stuff like fusion competition world-wide when you had the oil companies ruling with an iron fist, you disappeared if you came up with a new idea, and now so many people are jumping in to make new technologies happen because they're tired of waiting decades and sitting like hermits with nothing happening for our future.
Though back then you just couldn't do anything about it and people were afraid, because of the greed and power in this world that kept you from doing so.
And Alien 1 back then.. was at a time where you could only imagine doing so, and that was considered (science-fiction) which means no one had such technologies from the movies, in their homes. And that became the culture of that time.

Want to see what promoted anime from Japan to come over to the US? It started in the 80s with this, known as Robot Carnival, and I was a kid at the time when this aired live (out of no where). And artists were trying to promote their work, showing off different styles so the world could know about anime. A strange subject I know, but it was interesting at the time several decades ago.
Now you kind of have to imagine.. this was brand new, not just as anime but all together for the world, so it was weird but interesting at the same time.. (for its time).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO9cs4n8OVQ
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=robot+carnival+promoted+anime

Though seriously, have you seen all the aliens movies as they first came out in your childhood and played all the Aliens / AvP games around that time? And on up into the late 90s with the AvP 1999 PC game? So much nostalgia.

[kirill-busidow]

Publicado originalmente por commander:

Publicado originalmente por kirill-busidow:

If i made film in 1979 i would realise already that people in far-far future people wouldnt use antique cassete-disks and use monochrome monitors. Why would they use so-low tech if they master high enough tech to make space-travel possible?

Its like using primitive stone-throwers as weapons for giant mech warrior combat. If you can build battle mechs why would you use strone-throwers and slings? If you shoot enemy with primitive stones how it is possible you can build advanced cyborgs at same time?

At the time of the film, there's a reason they called it (science-fiction), in our homes we didn't have such computers that were in the movie Alien 1, computers in labs were as big as rooms that were just as fast if not even.. as fast as the computers on Alien 1. And in our homes.. we had smaller computers that couldn't even match the technology and power of those on Alien 1 at the time, that's common sense dude.

And then the technology was matched right before the 90s, the mid to late 90s then passed that technology and the specific technology such as the computers from Alien 1.. was no longer sci-fi, just the alien itself and the atmosphere around it.

So basically back then, you couldn't have dreamed of having a computer that would match those in Alien 1 and beyond that in the mid to late 90s, and beyond.. since it was known as (science-fiction) the definition itself if you look it up.
"fiction based on imagined future scientific or technological advances and major social or environmental changes, frequently portraying space or time travel and life on other planets."
And the movie Alien 1 was known as (science-fiction) at the time even with the computers in the movie.. was it not? Yes it was.

Although you see.. it would take your mind to understand what it was like at that time, if your mind could imagine it, and did you imagine it? Have you watched the Alien movies, played the Alien games, read the Alien comics and had any Alien toys or activity from the same series, throughout your life since you were a little kid? What about for decades like some of us? If not, that is why you don't understand it and can't see it, but that gives you no right to judge it and change anyone's ways like the gaming industry does and (specific bad) movie directors do today.
Just because you don't understand something, doesn't give you the right to change it, that's like ripping away memories from nostalgia with parts of retro we like, or what we know is best for modern.
Also.. take something like Halloween, with the monsters and such as a holiday we celebrate, the fun you have on it.. now take for that time in the late 70s.. mix what was creative and a good imagination, make something out of it such as a survival-horror in space, and you got Alien 1, not only did you get Alien 1.. but you got it at a time when people needed creativity and imagination the most, that kind of creativity in the late 70s? That would be like us finding intelligent alien life and creatures / animals on other planets today! And being able to go there at the same time to explore and meet them.
Not only that, if I can remember correctly.. the worlds governments didn't exactly talk about high-tech as often as we wanted to hear it so conspiracies were a big thing at that time, and when Alien 1 came out.. that was a big thing. Since UFOs were a big thing at that time (just an example). And did you know that we found out that Germans had UFOs at that time more advanced than our technology? They found a German engineer in his basement working on anti-gravity technology in the 1900s, and they took him away from his family to use him for creating weapons and flying planes, they also had some technology hidden in one of the bells during one of the wars in Germany.
The Germans didn't have enough time to mass-produce the new technology that went into planes such as their UFOs, so they took the few that they had and actually used them in the war, and failed over the massive units that took them down.
It's a shame that German engineer isn't still around to work on anti-gravity.

Though a lot of this stuff was kept from the public for a long time, and so we could only enjoy what was given to us, such as the Alien 1 movie, and that became extremely popular and our memories would want to see something just as amazing for modern, yet we don't get movies and games as good (in a modern way).
The same with the fossil-fuel industry, they wouldn't let us for the longest time.. make anything new because you were threatened and some people disappeared if they came up with new ideas, but the world has had enough stupidity and pollution, which is why we work on fusion world-wide so much right now in a competing race between different private companies and the ITER project itself, it's good to see people are coming together and working together, to make things happen. Those aren't the only new and good technologies coming, and it's rapidly progressing faster than you can believe, search youtube (not to say to believe everything on youtube), but if you know where to search.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW_YCWLyv6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_QS2fZrGuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4eTAYbuvyQ

And so much more, like warp drives in 30 - 50 years, advanced computing such as classical computing algorithms are advancing (the only thing keeping classical computing ahead of quantum computing), Optical / Photonic computing, Quantum computing, Neuromorphic computing, Ubiquitous computing and so on, many other technologies coming as well. Have you seen where Neuromorphic computing is at? Some private companies are already testing prototypes that are still in early stages and not that good, but not the type of prototype that they would show to the public of course since it's far from ready.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM7hdDZN2YI
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=neuromorphic+computing

And where silicon could be replaced by other technologies.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=seeker+computer+chips
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=computer+chips+singularity+prosperity

And all the amazing things Graphene can do.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=graphene

And there are so many other technologies happening.
My point being though, that none of this could have been possible if we didn't push recently for technology to go much further, and you couldn't do this stuff like fusion competition world-wide when you had the oil companies ruling with an iron fist, you disappeared if you came up with a new idea, and now so many people are jumping in to make new technologies happen because they're tired of waiting decades and sitting like hermits with nothing happening for our future.
Though back then you just couldn't do anything about it and people were afraid, because of the greed and power in this world that kept you from doing so.
And Alien 1 back then.. was at a time where you could only imagine doing so, and that was considered (science-fiction) which means no one had such technologies from the movies, in their homes. And that became the culture of that time.

Want to see what promoted anime from Japan to come over to the US? It started in the 80s with this, known as Robot Carnival, and I was a kid at the time when this aired live (out of no where). And artists were trying to promote their work, showing off different styles so the world could know about anime. A strange subject I know, but it was interesting at the time several decades ago.
Now you kind of have to imagine.. this was brand new, not just as anime but all together for the world, so it was weird but interesting at the same time.. (for its time).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO9cs4n8OVQ
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=robot+carnival+promoted+anime

Though seriously, have you seen all the aliens movies as they first came out in your childhood and played all the Aliens / AvP games around that time? And on up into the late 90s with the AvP 1999 PC game? So much nostalgia.

Thank you for explanation. Alien universe maybe horrible and poorly thought out, but your posts explain things.

[Matt]

I think you're kind of missing the point that the game was made as a loving tribute to the original Alien film. I personally love the style of the original movie, so the game is perfect in my eyes from an aesthetic perspective. I see no reason to adjust the technology on display, regardless of what our 'modern' technology now looks like. In the 70s this was what was considered modern, and it's awesome.

[Sawboss]

Publicado originalmente por kirill-busidow:

Thank you for explanation. Alien universe maybe horrible and poorly thought out, but your posts explain things.

That's pretty disrespectful, a huge amount of effort from lots of very talented people was put into creating the world in which Alien takes place. Just because it does not appeal to you in particular in no way makes it 'horrible and poorly thought out'.