Why is the first confrontation with enemies so frustrating?

[ZoidbergForPresident]

I mean, the first real confrontation you have is when you get into that room and that woman shoots at you then get out and brings her friends...

And I've been searching a bit and a significant part of the players have issues with that part, how come this hasn't been fixed in testing is beyond me.

Now you have to find some item to repair a device you took from her but I don't get this discretion phase:
1 - You don't have a clear objective, from the cutscene it seems like you have to find an item but apparently you just have to get out of the room (ok the objective appears on the card but it is unclear that the location you have to reach is there).
2 - There's only really one path to take to get out of the room (OK, two, one being your unavoidable death and the other a heads or tails).
3 - It is exceedingly difficulty to not be seen as you cannot even hide behind furniture even though you are crouching.

I really wish I could enjoy this game but all this doesn't really make me want to continue.

Is there an easy way out of this sequence and is the rest of the game like that, like a chore?

[BROOD-SkorpioN]

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

1 - You don't have a clear objective, from the cutscene it seems like you have to find an item but apparently you just have to get out of the room.

As I recall, you can open your map and see where you need to go. Figuring out that you need to leave the room is not exactly a well kept secret.

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

2 - There's only really one path to take to get out of the room.

There's only one door to exit from, but there are two paths to get to it, and the methods to accomplish it are quite varied, ranging from being stealthy and using no resources, to using resources, to flat out killing everyone. The last option is not recommended, but it's still a viable option.

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

3 - It is exceedingly difficulty to not be seen as you cannot even hide behind furniture even though you are crouching.

You can hide behind furniture just fine, on all difficulty levels.

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

Is there an easy way out of this sequence and is the rest of the game like that, like a chore?

The rest of the game is not like that. The first four (arguably even five) missions are unofficial "tutorial" missions, which is why this sequence is relatively scripted. Once you'll be dealing with the alien, the scripted events will become very rare.

If you want a video guide on how to beat that part, here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfZZZOI8K4s
I'd still recommend trying to beat it on your own before resorting to videos though. It really isn't that difficult. The survivors' patrol routes are scripted and can be exploited, same as with any other stealth game.

[ZoidbergForPresident]

Originally posted by BROOD-SkorpioN:

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

1 - You don't have a clear objective, from the cutscene it seems like you have to find an item but apparently you just have to get out of the room.

As I recall, you can open your map and see where you need to go. Figuring out that you need to leave the room is not exactly a well kept secret.

I've seen that one and it is really badly described in the map, it seemed to me like the objective was randomly written on the map.

Originally posted by BROOD-SkorpioN:

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

2 - There's only really one path to take to get out of the room.

There's only one door to exit from, but there are two paths to get to it, and the methods to accomplish it are quite varied, ranging from being stealthy and using no resources, to using resources, to flat out killing everyone. The last option is not recommended, but it's still a viable option.

And killing how? As you have no weapons at that point.

Originally posted by BROOD-SkorpioN:

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

3 - It is exceedingly difficulty to not be seen as you cannot even hide behind furniture even though you are crouching.

You can hide behind furniture just fine, on all difficulty levels.

This is just false.

Originally posted by BROOD-SkorpioN:

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

Is there an easy way out of this sequence and is the rest of the game like that, like a chore?

The rest of the game is not like that. The first four (arguably even five) missions are unofficial "tutorial" missions, which is why this sequence is relatively scripted. Once you'll be dealing with the alien, the scripted events will become very rare.

I'm afraid I won't be seeing those anyway.

Originally posted by BROOD-SkorpioN:

If you want a video guide on how to beat that part, here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfZZZOI8K4s
I'd still recommend trying to beat it on your own before resorting to videos though. It really isn't that difficult. The survivors' patrol routes are scripted and can be exploited, same as with any other stealth game.

It doesn't seem to me, it just looks like it's some sort of puzzle game and you have to find the solution the developpers devised for the player, it really isn't interesting, especially with such broken AI (see my review).

[BROOD-SkorpioN]

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

And killing how? As you have no weapons at that point.

You have a wrench.

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

This is just false.

I can bombard you with hundreds of videos demonstrating my "false" statement, including the video I have already posted, which demonstrates it.

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

It doesn't seem to me, it just looks like it's some sort of puzzle game and you have to find the solution the developpers devised for the player, it really isn't interesting, especially with such broken AI (see my review).

Alright, to each his own.

[ZoidbergForPresident]

Originally posted by BROOD-SkorpioN:

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

And killing how? As you have no weapons at that point.

You have a wrench.

I thought I had it but couldn't find it.

Originally posted by BROOD-SkorpioN:

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

This is just false.

I can bombard you with hundreds of videos demonstrating my "false" statement, including the video I have already posted, which demonstrates it.

And I have a game here that confirms that falseness: it is impossible to hide behind 300 kilograms metal seats even crouched: the AI still sees you.

Originally posted by BROOD-SkorpioN:

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

It doesn't seem to me, it just looks like it's some sort of puzzle game and you have to find the solution the developpers devised for the player, it really isn't interesting, especially with such broken AI (see my review).

Alright, to each his own.

I'm just bummed it has been falsely advertised.

Still, managed to get around those pricks again. But I saved and quit, this is not my idea of a good time.

Thanks for your input though.

[NinthElement]

This early awkward stealth section is really very unrepresentative of the rest of the game... 90% or more of your deaths will be caused by the alien if you keep playing. You do encounter more humans to avoid later but your options for dealing with them are much better. If you quit now you'll be missing something special.

[Just Some Guy]

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

Originally posted by BROOD-SkorpioN:

You have a wrench.

I thought I had it but couldn't find it.

Just left click.

[NinthElement]

Originally posted by Just Some Guy:

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

I thought I had it but couldn't find it.

Just left click.

Or right-trigger on a gamepad. Remember you used it to save Axel

[dogshocker]

I get what you're saying......it is exceedingly difficult.....I guess you either like this sort of scenario or you don't. The AI is probably one of the best you'll ever play against. You have to hide in different places, not just do the same thing all the time. If you use distration methods (flash bang or noismaker) you'll need to alternate them...the alien learns very quickly.....it is a 'perfect being' after all.

There's a few different ways to deal with this part of the game. No doubt you'll get offered loads of solutions by folk here as they're mostly a helpful lot and have palyed many more hours than both of us combined.

This is what I did.......First; hit 'tab' to get your objective sorted (always do that; it helps to focus). Then I walked brazenly across the room going to the opposite direction you need to go to. Somebody will see you and probably do a lot of shouting and take a pot shot at you.......this is great since the first couple of shots from the AI seem to wing or miss. Either way, anybody that blats off a couple of rounds will be heard by the alien and soon no longer be a problem. You can use the alien to clear a room of hostile humans....just be careful he doesn't see you while he's otherwise engaged.

Lastly, this is a hard game. I feel you should give it a second chance; accept that you'll die a few times before you move on; try different suggestions from this community; read some guides.....and never, never run anywhere unless you really have to.

It's one of the few games that measures up to Stalker : Misery version...totally intense. Try it on easy (which is still relatively hard) for your first run through and get the hang of the gameplay and layout before you go for a harder version. Good luck mate !

Alternatively, there are mods that removes the threats...but what's the point of that !!!

[truz]

I just started playing recently as well, and I had similiar feelings about that section. The stealth in this game feels kind of spotty compared to other stealth games I've played (Splinter Cell, Hitman, Thief, etc.), but that's a whole 'nother story.

Originally posted by ZoidbergForPresident:

Is there an easy way out of this sequence and is the rest of the game like that, like a chore?

What I ended up doing was using the wrench tool to bang on the walls to attract them all out of that big dark room. Once they were in the room just prior, I snuck around them using the vents and made a run for it. A billion times easier and faster than everything I was trying! Immediatly after that section I switched the difficulty down to "Normal" and things have been better. I've never seen AI act like that before.

Originally posted by BROOD-SkorpioN:

If you want a video guide on how to beat that part, here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfZZZOI8K4s

Unfortunately, I couldn't even had done what this video shows, since after picking up the device I had immediatly gone back to save.

[NinthElement]

Originally posted by Truz:

Unfortunately, I couldn't even had done what this video shows, since after picking up the device I had immediatly gone back to save.

It's easy enough to just reload the mission 3 autosave, it only takes one minute to run and grab the access tuner from there.

[ZoidbergForPresident]

Originally posted by Truz:

What I ended up doing was using the wrench tool to bang on the walls to attract them all out of that big dark room. Once they were in the room just prior, I snuck around them using the vents and made a run for it. A billion times easier and faster than everything I was trying! Immediatly after that section I switched the difficulty down to "Normal" and things have been better. I've never seen AI act like that before.

Ah, glad it worked.

Originally posted by 9thElement:

This early awkward stealth section is really very unrepresentative of the rest of the game... 90% or more of your deaths will be caused by the alien if you keep playing. You do encounter more humans to avoid later but your options for dealing with them are much better. If you quit now you'll be missing something special.

I managed to get further finally so maybe I'll go back to it but this was exceedingly frustrating (and not at all "hard").

[truz]

Originally posted by 9thElement:

It's easy enough to just reload the mission 3 autosave, it only takes one minute to run and grab the access tuner from there.

Oh, I see what you mean. I never clicked on "Mission Save" before, heh.

[The Man In The White Castle]

I died way too many times on that little section on PC and PS4. I ended up waiting until she shoots at you and runs away, then scavenged all the items in the desk area and in the vent shaft. After that you pick up the hack tool and hide. It is BS though, since the areas the three enemies patrol are way too close to each other and they don't repeat paths with any regularity. I had at least 3 different times where I was legitimately hidden in places they could not have found me in at all and they still ended up yelling and shooting at me. I had an easier time when the Alien jumped in later since you can just run past it really fast, hack the door and lock it.

[NinthElement]

Originally posted by Pickle Rick Astley:

I had an easier time when the Alien jumped in later since you can just run past it really fast, hack the door and lock it.

Yes, when the xeno does its scripted first appearance in medical. That's a good speedrunner tip. It reminds me of something else about the room where you find the access tuner...

The alien seems to pick off its targets in the order it spots them, so if you left all the humans alive in this room earlier then when you return with the working access tuner you can try running quickly and directly to the elevator door while the alien is busy assaulting the humans and you'll often have just enough time to hack it and press the button in the elevator before he finishes them off. It's extraordinarily risky though, so a tactic for speedrunners only. Safer is to just watch from the window upstairs until he disappears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQbyc8lXQzc

[-OrLoK- Слава Україн]

Hide in vents and sneak. Its not easy but its not impossible either.