Is MTG Arena rigged?

[JayDee Phoenix]

I remember when I used to play awhile ago when it came out I read about matchmaking being rigged so you would have to play longer to complete daily tasks. For example it put you against higher difficulty opponents so It took longer to complete daily wins. It certainly felt that way for me from what I remember. Has this been proven or has anything similar has happened? Because you know Wizards of the Coast is kinda sus these days. Also did they remove cards? I heard for some cards because of "racism".

[Xany]

Originally posted by Insomniac Jack:

Originally posted by Xany:

Clearly you have never shuffled your own 60 cards deck ever. The chances for 5 Lands in a row is somewhere between 1,2% and 3%. Saying something with 1,2% NEVER happens is idiotism.

The only time time I drew mana 12 times in a row was after buying a preconstructed deck and failing to shuffle it. Yet this happens in Arena with consistency despite all odds.

Yeah, and the only time i fall asleep, is when i close my eyes. Now i am afraid to blink. Got more individual anecdotes that dont care about facts, calculation and confirmation bias?

Math, dont even once. >_>

[YoM3N]

MTG Arena is completely and overall rigged thats already proven.

[Insomniac Jack]

Originally posted by Xany:

Originally posted by Insomniac Jack:

The only time time I drew mana 12 times in a row was after buying a preconstructed deck and failing to shuffle it. Yet this happens in Arena with consistency despite all odds.

Yeah, and the only time i fall asleep, is when i close my eyes. Now i am afraid to blink. Got more individual anecdotes that dont care about facts, calculation and confirmation bias?

Math, dont even once. >_>

Are you a statistician and programmer that personally analyzed Arena's code?

[heavenstear75]

You asked us a question and then want proof? My dude this game is 100 percent manipulated by the company to keep you playing longer and spending more money. Dont be a silly goose . there times when i dont go first for 20 games straight. The matchmaking is a complete joke if your looking for fairness. Once im on win two in draft, my opponents with completely ridiculous busted decks get matched against me so ill have an extremely hard time . note, my opponents didnt come from the same pod that i drafted at. sometimes you just gotta figure it out yourself by playing. "shrug"

[YoM3N]

I just drop it here for you guys.....

https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/b21u3n/i_analyzed_shuffling_in_a_million_games/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DB5QlzjlyU

Its known for years that the game is rigged to give you a 50/50 w/l ratio so that casuals spend more money.

[Brother Alpha]

Originally posted by Insomniac Jack:

It's definitely rigged. From constant mana flood/screw, hand smoothing, getting matched with counter-decks, to forced losing streaks.

If you think Arena forces you to be mana screwed or mana flooded, then you likely cheat when you play paper magic.

[YoM3N]

You know the game is rigged if you draw 7 rounds in a row a mana with 21 in your deck or you draw the 3rd copy of a card you have 4 times in your deck in a 60 card deck.
Or if you get 10 times in a row the perfect counter deck against your deck.

BTW: the chances to draw 3 times in a row the same card ( not mana ) are 1 in 52 * 51 * 50, or 1 in 132600.

[Isilith]

Originally posted by Brother Alpha:

Originally posted by Insomniac Jack:

It's definitely rigged. From constant mana flood/screw, hand smoothing, getting matched with counter-decks, to forced losing streaks.

If you think Arena forces you to be mana screwed or mana flooded, then you likely cheat when you play paper magic.

Except its been proven it does...lol....

[Brother Alpha]

Originally posted by YoM3N:

I just drop it here for you guys.....

Its known for years that the game is rigged to give you a 50/50 w/l ratio so that casuals spend more money.

Two points. This data is 4 years old and the poster even admits an update changed things.

Two OF COURSE THERE IS MATCHMAKING THAT PUTS YOU UP AGAINST SIMILARLY SKILLED PLAYERS!

[YoM3N]

Originally posted by IsilithTehroth:

Originally posted by Brother Alpha:

If you think Arena forces you to be mana screwed or mana flooded, then you likely cheat when you play paper magic.

Except its been proven it does...lol....

And where is your proof that it isn't ?

[Brother Alpha]

Originally posted by YoM3N:

BTW: the chances to draw 3 times in a row the same card ( not mana ) are 1 in 52 * 51 * 50, or 1 in 132600.

This is the problem with this argument. You don't know how to do the math.

The odds are not 1 in 132,600. Firstly, if you have four copies in your 60 card deck, the odds are 4 in 53, then 3 in 52, then 2 in 52 or a little better than 1 in 6,000. FURTHERMORE, if you have multiple playsets in your deck, which you almost certainly have, then you include those odds by the number of playsets you have.

[Brother Alpha]

Originally posted by IsilithTehroth:

Originally posted by Brother Alpha:

If you think Arena forces you to be mana screwed or mana flooded, then you likely cheat when you play paper magic.

Except its been proven it does...lol....

No it hasn't. In fact, the shuffler reduces the chances of being mana screwed / flooded.

Did you actually look at the 'proof'?

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Insomniac Jack:

It's definitely rigged.

The conspiracy theories are strong in these forums.

"Please provide proof that the game is rigged".

"I don't need proof! My FEELINGs tell me the game is rigged. Justtrustmebro"

[Brother Alpha]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Originally posted by Insomniac Jack:

It's definitely rigged.

The conspiracy theories are strong in these forums.

"Please provide proof that the game is rigged".

"I don't need proof! My FEELINGs tell me the game is rigged. Justtrustmebro"

Yep. Even the rare person that tries to do the math gets it wrong.

[Flush Entity]

Originally posted by YoM3N:

You know the game is rigged if you draw 7 rounds in a row a mana with 21 in your deck or you draw the 3rd copy of a card you have 4 times in your deck in a 60 card deck.
Or if you get 10 times in a row the perfect counter deck against your deck.

BTW: the chances to draw 3 times in a row the same card ( not mana ) are 1 in 52 * 51 * 50, or 1 in 132600.

Random chance does not mean it doesn't happen. For example, do you know what the odds are to get a Straight Flush in Texas Hold-em? But it actually happens, and with some frequency, even in Casinos where if anything is rigged, it's in favor of the House and not the player.

If you flip a coin, you have a roughly 50/50 chance of it being heads or tails. But because it's random, the likelihood that it will "Consistently" cycle between both every time is actually quite low. Having a coin-toss always go Head, Tails, Head, Tails, repeating every time is actually far less likely than a streak of 4 heads in a row once in a while.

Also, your math is wrong.

It's 4 in 52, then 3 in 51, then 2 in 50 (unless you already had one in your hand or only played 3 copies of it, and discounting your opening hand otherwise, in which you missed the 4 in 60, the 4 in 59, the 4 in 58, etc...), which is much better odds than what you're saying, even if still "unlikely."

It's also something I've had happen sometimes when playing with actual cards. Not often, no, but sometimes my deck really, really wants me to have a specific card for some reason, even if it isn't helpful.


The point is, if the RNG algorithm is "rigged" because of improbable results... than so is humans shuffling their decks (even discounting intentional slight-of-hand).