Town of Salem 2 is on it's way out, and I wish it wasn't. [A seasoned player's perspective]

[Nico]

With the announcement of them working with a publisher, A lot of people are rightfully fearful for the future of Town of Salem 2. Especially with the recent telltale signs, which are featured below:

• The number of MTX has been ramped up dramatically, including the Cauldron being turned into a Loot Box with Gacha Mechanics, which is a sign that they're trying to milk it as much as possible before going under.
  
• Updates becoming more and more infrequent, as evident by the lack of any changes outside of balancing and bug fixes, which isn't enough to keep the game afloat long term.
  
• The sheer amount of reskins showing up, which indicates that content is getting lazier, which leads me into my next point:
  
• Staff have been laid off from BMG. This is absolutely a sign that the game isn't going to last much longer, with them laying off the main individual who was imperative to getting certain roles fixed, and one of the artists on the team, it's no wonder that they've been resorting to using recolors.
  
• Lack of communication from the developers, and outright ignoring community suggestions. Many people have given good suggestions in the TOS2 Discord Server, with some in particular getting hundreds of upvotes, some even trying to address the problematic roles. (See: Admirer), but in return, the developers have said nothing and haven't acknowledged anything from the community ever since this happened.

I know that this is a tough pill to swallow for a lot of people, myself included. I absolutely love this game, But when you can see the writing on the wall, it's time to prepare for the inevitable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKNNE3fOQ7I

[Parceval]

Omg they pulled the ultimate doomsayer reference and doomed the game !!!
More seriously yeah, the end is nigh.

[Nico]

Cheeky little sausage eredeti hozzászólása:

Nobody can say they haven't seen it coming. The first sign of trouble is when a company starts throwing out gacha mechanics.

The truth is, I had a sneaking suspicion that this was coming. When updates started to slow and no new content was added, I got a hunch that this game was gonna eventually fizzle out.

From day one, this game was destined to fail, when I look back on it. Even though the game tried to be faster and more welcoming for new players, it did the exact opposite of that and pushed people away. Not to mention how the game was p2p on launch, and only then switched to a semi f2p model.

[ULTRANEONGODPET]

Posting on Epic Games was another contributor. Ever since, lobby's become a lot less logic based, and more lynching people randomly until we find evils.

And with no leads, evils are now so much easier to find. Just look at every players chat logs, and you'll instantly know whose evil

[Nico]

ULTRANEONGODPET eredeti hozzászólása:

Posting on Epic Games was another contributor. Ever since, lobby's become a lot less logic based, and more lynching people randomly until we find evils.

And with no leads, evils are now so much easier to find. Just look at every players chat logs, and you'll instantly know whose evil

That's also another contributing factor to TOS2's demise.

[Tamamo-no-Bae]

It is honestly sad since the game has so much potential and I only discovered it recently. :/

[Nico]

Tamamo-no-Bae eredeti hozzászólása:

It is honestly sad since the game has so much potential and I only discovered it recently. :/

The game had so much potential going for it, but alas, the devs have given up.

[Bread Lover]

ULTRANEONGODPET eredeti hozzászólása:

Posting on Epic Games was another contributor. Ever since, lobby's become a lot less logic based, and more lynching people randomly until we find evils.

And with no leads, evils are now so much easier to find. Just look at every players chat logs, and you'll instantly know whose evil

oh evils are so much harder to find lmao scumreading just pulls up a town since the townie's an idiot LOL

[ULTRANEONGODPET]

Bread Lover eredeti hozzászólása:

ULTRANEONGODPET eredeti hozzászólása:

Posting on Epic Games was another contributor. Ever since, lobby's become a lot less logic based, and more lynching people randomly until we find evils.

And with no leads, evils are now so much easier to find. Just look at every players chat logs, and you'll instantly know whose evil

oh evils are so much harder to find lmao scumreading just pulls up a town since the townie's an idiot LOL

Yeah, I just realized this. One game we lost a jailor because there was tracker who didn't post

IT WAS DAY 5

Then, we have townies who don't claim during a VFA, and then get all toxic and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ when they get upped and guilted.

Then, there's a Deputy and Vigilante and Prosecutor random shooting/hanging. Like, they just guess, and then we lose them for being dumb. What's worst is that they usually instantly leave when they get it wrong, showing they had no real reason.

TP and TS are no good either. My brother had an admirer who said they were lovers with a pirate, but wasn't saying who the pirate was. We hung them, they turned out to be real Admirer smh. Tavern Keepers role blocking Vigis who are going to shoot an evil, everything in the book.

Town Protects not going on revealed town powers are also the worst. We lost a prosecutor because of this, and the TP has the audacity to then say "Town is dumb"

Town Investigative not posting for whatever reason. And so much more

By this point, everyone should just become a Jester. I can't tell if someone is acting like Jester or being dumb anymore

[The Artificer]

Nico eredeti hozzászólása:

With the announcement of them working with a publisher, A lot of people are rightfully fearful for the future of Town of Salem 2. Especially with the recent telltale signs, which are featured below:

• The number of MTX has been ramped up dramatically, including the Cauldron being turned into a Loot Box with Gacha Mechanics, which is a sign that they're trying to milk it as much as possible before going under.
  
• Updates becoming more and more infrequent, as evident by the lack of any changes outside of balancing and bug fixes, which isn't enough to keep the game afloat long term.
  
• The sheer amount of reskins showing up, which indicates that content is getting lazier, which leads me into my next point:
  
• Staff have been laid off from BMG. This is absolutely a sign that the game isn't going to last much longer, with them laying off the main individual who was imperative to getting certain roles fixed, and one of the artists on the team, it's no wonder that they've been resorting to using recolors.
  
• Lack of communication from the developers, and outright ignoring community suggestions. Many people have given good suggestions in the TOS2 Discord Server, with some in particular getting hundreds of upvotes, some even trying to address the problematic roles. (See: Admirer), but in return, the developers have said nothing and haven't acknowledged anything from the community ever since this happened.

I know that this is a tough pill to swallow for a lot of people, myself included. I absolutely love this game, But when you can see the writing on the wall, it's time to prepare for the inevitable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKNNE3fOQ7I

unfortunately, as a fellow TOS1 veteran from the start, this has been apparent for a while and the reasons keep adding up, another user in this forum summed up how the micro transactions that *affect* gameplay were already causing turmoil, but now that the game is getting picked up by a publisher NOBODY has heard of that hasn't existed until 2 months ago with the claim that its had a "good track record" nobody can dig up is suspicious and not a good sign

town of salem may be heading to the graveyard before it reaches its 10 year anniversary, and its truly a shame

i just wish the blankmediagames employees good luck in their future after getting laid off if that part is true, i personally hadn't heard about lay-offs

[jaded33]

i knew this when i bought that damned battle pass 😝

[Lucifer ★✬]

Cheeky little sausage eredeti hozzászólása:

Nobody can say they haven't seen it coming. The first sign of trouble is when a company starts throwing out gacha mechanics.

Think the first sign is when the devs said the game would never become f2p then a week/month after the game comes out it went f2p

[The Artificer]

ULTRANEONGODPET eredeti hozzászólása:

Bread Lover eredeti hozzászólása:

oh evils are so much harder to find lmao scumreading just pulls up a town since the townie's an idiot LOL

Yeah, I just realized this. One game we lost a jailor because there was tracker who didn't post

IT WAS DAY 5

Then, we have townies who don't claim during a VFA, and then get all toxic and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ when they get upped and guilted.

Then, there's a Deputy and Vigilante and Prosecutor random shooting/hanging. Like, they just guess, and then we lose them for being dumb. What's worst is that they usually instantly leave when they get it wrong, showing they had no real reason.

TP and TS are no good either. My brother had an admirer who said they were lovers with a pirate, but wasn't saying who the pirate was. We hung them, they turned out to be real Admirer smh. Tavern Keepers role blocking Vigis who are going to shoot an evil, everything in the book.

Town Protects not going on revealed town powers are also the worst. We lost a prosecutor because of this, and the TP has the audacity to then say "Town is dumb"

Town Investigative not posting for whatever reason. And so much more

By this point, everyone should just become a Jester. I can't tell if someone is acting like Jester or being dumb anymore

apparently, someone here interviewed the AFK TI's and they are all using fate tomes to grind XP it seems

if you look at the forums there are ALSO people who dont actually like town of salem for what it is trying to push change, people getting mad they cannot handle basic claims like VFA or being investigated and being found with blood, now that most of us real players have left, its like it filtered through to leave behind mostly brand new players that decide the game must be how THEY see it as, that it MUST be easy for them and remove any form of fun or life just so they can call themselves a competitive player

at the end of the day, having less playercount than launch even after going free 2 play was a big sign that people weren't impressed anymore, and alot of replayability value was honestly crushed that town of salem 1 had

the devs removing the chaos element might of honestly played a factor in how it died out, i know that me and alot of other Town of Salem 1 players didnt enjoy this game as much from the start due to it removing alot of chaotic fun factors such as old amnesiac, the distrust of survivors and vampires / mafia coming in as a secondary team

they are roles that shouldn't be in ranked, but it'd have been fun for All Any mode to roll between the wild card roles above in the mix to switch up games even more, it'd push people to also try out ranked or other modes if they dislike the chaotic factor from TOS1

i had to go and show my friends TOS1 after they tried this one and they ironically ended up liking it more, a shame it died out since TOS2 is supposed to be the sequel so people moved here on instinct (and then left entirely)

unfortunately, i dont think the chaotic factor of TOS1 will return and the developers are trying their hardest to make the sequel different, but its a sidegrade rather than a nupgrade, they acknowledged this at the start, no hate to them but that might honestly be a pretty big factor in why this failed and might be one of their only shots at truly reviving it

TL;DR the developers have hit the point of no return with in-game advantages being purchaseable, but 2 extra factors in the death of TOS2 are 1. being a sidegrade to TOS1 rather than a sequel, and 2. catering to the complaints of short term players that don't actually like town of salem for what it is in the first place, its tough for the developers when theres a big mix of "listen to the community more" and "the community has bad ideas". can't entirely fault them on that one specifically honestly

[The Artificer]

Lucifer ★✬ eredeti hozzászólása:

Cheeky little sausage eredeti hozzászólása:

Nobody can say they haven't seen it coming. The first sign of trouble is when a company starts throwing out gacha mechanics.

Think the first sign is when the devs said the game would never become f2p then a week/month after the game comes out it went f2p

the funniest part is, town of salem 1 was free and became paid access strictly because being free was bad for the game's health , but this one started off paid and then became free despite that....?

if a developer is reading this forum, i'd honestly want their take on why they made this one free 2 play despite having to make the first game paid to play due to the health of the community,

can't be for moderation reasons since TOS1 had the trial system and TOS2 must have an even harder time than the first with keeping up on reports since developers handle them on this one, so theres gotta be some reason why they thought it'd work in the first place even though evidently it really stabbed itself in the foot here

[The Artificer]

and to finish off to my main post. i have alot of respect for the team at BlankMediaGames, achilles, shapesifter13, PyromonkeyGG, and the rest of the fine people in charge of it, it doesn't seem like the fall of this game was malicious at all

it looks more like a panic after an initially good seeming idea was hard to update or modify in ways the community would be happy with, TOS2 did many good things that were an improvement from TOS1 especially the roles that break up the meta of confirmed townies, but i firmly believe that straying too far away from what TOS1 players enjoyed was a risk that didn't land correctly. the developers themselves presented this game as a sidegrade in an attempt to keep both games alive, it was a respectable idea, it's just that unfortunately with it being marketed as a sequel it seems most people expected it to be one to replace the original and it kinda killed off the steam of the loyal players from back then

i'll sum this up since people dont have time to read all of this and i am way too passionate about the place Town of Salem holds in my heart after having been with it from the start, constantly advocating for friends to try it when they can

TL:DR, Town of Salem 2 was the dream both the Community and Developers wanted, that started to spiral out into a nightmare, things don't always work out, and i hope that BlankMediaGames still remains sturdy despite this and has some miracle of a shot at a turnaround, Nothing but appreciation for them on my end,

But as for Town of Salem 2, it really seems like it was fried to a crisp in an effort to keep it alive. I'd like to personally think of this game's fate as an overdose, It was being medicated to stay afloat.

[Nico]

Jayfeather eredeti hozzászólása:

Nico eredeti hozzászólása:

With the announcement of them working with a publisher, A lot of people are rightfully fearful for the future of Town of Salem 2. Especially with the recent telltale signs, which are featured below:

• The number of MTX has been ramped up dramatically, including the Cauldron being turned into a Loot Box with Gacha Mechanics, which is a sign that they're trying to milk it as much as possible before going under.
  
• Updates becoming more and more infrequent, as evident by the lack of any changes outside of balancing and bug fixes, which isn't enough to keep the game afloat long term.
  
• The sheer amount of reskins showing up, which indicates that content is getting lazier, which leads me into my next point:
  
• Staff have been laid off from BMG. This is absolutely a sign that the game isn't going to last much longer, with them laying off the main individual who was imperative to getting certain roles fixed, and one of the artists on the team, it's no wonder that they've been resorting to using recolors.
  
• Lack of communication from the developers, and outright ignoring community suggestions. Many people have given good suggestions in the TOS2 Discord Server, with some in particular getting hundreds of upvotes, some even trying to address the problematic roles. (See: Admirer), but in return, the developers have said nothing and haven't acknowledged anything from the community ever since this happened.

I know that this is a tough pill to swallow for a lot of people, myself included. I absolutely love this game, But when you can see the writing on the wall, it's time to prepare for the inevitable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKNNE3fOQ7I

unfortunately, as a fellow TOS1 veteran from the start, this has been apparent for a while and the reasons keep adding up, another user in this forum summed up how the micro transactions that *affect* gameplay were already causing turmoil, but now that the game is getting picked up by a publisher NOBODY has heard of that hasn't existed until 2 months ago with the claim that its had a "good track record" nobody can dig up is suspicious and not a good sign

town of salem may be heading to the graveyard before it reaches its 10 year anniversary, and its truly a shame

i just wish the blankmediagames employees good luck in their future after getting laid off if that part is true, i personally hadn't heard about lay-offs

They let go of Tuba, Curtis and Blue (The main artist for TOS2). You can check on the official TOS2 Discord server.