After the Jester is voted out, they shouldn't see chat until they choose their target

[YoYoStevo]

The chat can tell them who is coven.

[Rhyane]

And why would the Jester listen to them? If i was that Jester, i would always go for the faction that wants to tell me what to do.

[Dedelblute3]

I mean, it isn't called a social deduction game for nothing, part of the game has to have you convincing someone else who doesn't need to work with you to do something. Making it so jest just decided "hey I want to screw THIS GUY IN PARTICULAR" based only off of pre-death chat kinda takes half the fun of a jest hanging.

[YoYoStevo]

Originally posted by Dedelblute3:

I mean, it isn't called a social deduction game for nothing, part of the game has to have you convincing someone else who doesn't need to work with you to do something. Making it so jest just decided "hey I want to screw THIS GUY IN PARTICULAR" based only off of pre-death chat kinda takes half the fun of a jest hanging.

So you're okay with people on discord calls?

[Cinemax]

Originally posted by YoYoStevo:

Originally posted by Dedelblute3:

I mean, it isn't called a social deduction game for nothing, part of the game has to have you convincing someone else who doesn't need to work with you to do something. Making it so jest just decided "hey I want to screw THIS GUY IN PARTICULAR" based only off of pre-death chat kinda takes half the fun of a jest hanging.

So you're okay with people on discord calls?

LOL, you had to reach pretty far for that one. Your straw man is showing, you'd better put him away.

[YoYoStevo]

Originally posted by Cinemax:

Originally posted by YoYoStevo:

So you're okay with people on discord calls?

LOL, you had to reach pretty far for that one. Your straw man is showing, you'd better put him away.

But iTs a SoCiAl GaMe. Don't like your own dumb standards used against you?

What a jester does impacts the people who are still in the game, they shouldn't be able to get info from people who are out the game. Try thinking next time, it'll do you some good.

[Dedelblute3]

Originally posted by YoYoStevo:

Originally posted by Cinemax:

LOL, you had to reach pretty far for that one. Your straw man is showing, you'd better put him away.

But iTs a SoCiAl GaMe. Don't like your own dumb standards used against you?

What a jester does impacts the people who are still in the game, they shouldn't be able to get info from people who are out the game. Try thinking next time, it'll do you some good.

Your argument is the most blatant straw man I've ever seen.
"But iTs A sOcIaL gAmE. Don't you like your own dumb standards used against you?"
You weren't using my standard. I said it's a "social deduction game" not a "social" game, there are two adjectives there, not one. The second adjective is everything secretive and private about the game: Whispers, dead chat vs alive chat, death notes, wills, notes, and night chat. This is why using a discord call is cheating: It bypasses chat, allowing for private exchanges of information without anyone knowing it is happening.
Removing a Jester's ability to see chat while haunting goes against both aspects of "social deduction" that ToS2 is based on: It removes the jester's ability to socialize with other members of dead chat, which is a no-no in a CHAT BASED GAME and makes jest haunts much harder to predict (for the sake of all visiting roles who all want to avoid going on the jester's haunt). It overall wouldn't really benefit anyone (by virtue of just making jest haunts random) while actively making the game less fun for people who just won.
Yes, what a jester does impact people still in the game. No, they should still be able to get information from people out of the game.

[YoYoStevo]

Originally posted by Dedelblute3:

Originally posted by YoYoStevo:

But iTs a SoCiAl GaMe. Don't like your own dumb standards used against you?

What a jester does impacts the people who are still in the game, they shouldn't be able to get info from people who are out the game. Try thinking next time, it'll do you some good.

Your argument is the most blatant straw man I've ever seen.
"But iTs A sOcIaL gAmE. Don't you like your own dumb standards used against you?"
You weren't using my standard. I said it's a "social deduction game" not a "social" game, there are two adjectives there, not one. The second adjective is everything secretive and private about the game: Whispers, dead chat vs alive chat, death notes, wills, notes, and night chat. This is why using a discord call is cheating: It bypasses chat, allowing for private exchanges of information without anyone knowing it is happening.
Removing a Jester's ability to see chat while haunting goes against both aspects of "social deduction" that ToS2 is based on: It removes the jester's ability to socialize with other members of dead chat, which is a no-no in a CHAT BASED GAME and makes jest haunts much harder to predict (for the sake of all visiting roles who all want to avoid going on the jester's haunt). It overall wouldn't really benefit anyone (by virtue of just making jest haunts random) while actively making the game less fun for people who just won.
Yes, what a jester does impact people still in the game. No, they should still be able to get information from people out of the game.

tl;dr

[Cinemax]

Originally posted by YoYoStevo:

Originally posted by Dedelblute3:

Your argument is the most blatant straw man I've ever seen.
"But iTs A sOcIaL gAmE. Don't you like your own dumb standards used against you?"
You weren't using my standard. I said it's a "social deduction game" not a "social" game, there are two adjectives there, not one. The second adjective is everything secretive and private about the game: Whispers, dead chat vs alive chat, death notes, wills, notes, and night chat. This is why using a discord call is cheating: It bypasses chat, allowing for private exchanges of information without anyone knowing it is happening.
Removing a Jester's ability to see chat while haunting goes against both aspects of "social deduction" that ToS2 is based on: It removes the jester's ability to socialize with other members of dead chat, which is a no-no in a CHAT BASED GAME and makes jest haunts much harder to predict (for the sake of all visiting roles who all want to avoid going on the jester's haunt). It overall wouldn't really benefit anyone (by virtue of just making jest haunts random) while actively making the game less fun for people who just won.
Yes, what a jester does impact people still in the game. No, they should still be able to get information from people out of the game.

tl;dr

"I have no counter yet I must ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥"

[Dedelblute3]

Originally posted by YoYoStevo:

Originally posted by Dedelblute3:

Your argument is the most blatant straw man I've ever seen.
"But iTs A sOcIaL gAmE. Don't you like your own dumb standards used against you?"
You weren't using my standard. I said it's a "social deduction game" not a "social" game, there are two adjectives there, not one. The second adjective is everything secretive and private about the game: Whispers, dead chat vs alive chat, death notes, wills, notes, and night chat. This is why using a discord call is cheating: It bypasses chat, allowing for private exchanges of information without anyone knowing it is happening.
Removing a Jester's ability to see chat while haunting goes against both aspects of "social deduction" that ToS2 is based on: It removes the jester's ability to socialize with other members of dead chat, which is a no-no in a CHAT BASED GAME and makes jest haunts much harder to predict (for the sake of all visiting roles who all want to avoid going on the jester's haunt). It overall wouldn't really benefit anyone (by virtue of just making jest haunts random) while actively making the game less fun for people who just won.
Yes, what a jester does impact people still in the game. No, they should still be able to get information from people out of the game.

tl;dr

tl;dr is that what you quoted was not what i said therefore argument invalidated, and a few extra reasons why the idea that jester's shouldn't be able to see dead chat while haunting is bad.
So, you posted something on steam discussions and wasn't expecting to have to read?
Oh, and you posted something on steam discussions knowing full well that no matter what anyone else said you wouldn't be willing to change your opinion.

[YoYoStevo]

Originally posted by Cinemax:

Originally posted by YoYoStevo:

tl;dr

"I have no counter yet I must ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥"

It's okay man, everyone can be wrong sometimes, one day I too may be wrong.

[Dedelblute3]

Originally posted by YoYoStevo:

Originally posted by Cinemax:

"I have no counter yet I must ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥"

It's okay man, everyone can be wrong sometimes, one day I too may be wrong.

Since I've grown up as a respectful and sincere man, I'll tell you one thing, and that'll be the end of this.
If you aren't willing to change your opinion on a suggestion (and try to insult/humiliate the people you're talking to), then don't post said suggestion on a discussions forum.
These kinds of places are where people (should, there is still a lot of nonsense because of people like you) come to talk about a topic and maybe come to a better understanding of said topic.
There are better places to make a suggestion.
That is all I will be saying on this topic (as I feel I have made my points extremely clear, and you have basically ignored them), and I will be unsubscribing from this discussion.

Oh and if you couldn't be bothered to read in a place specifically for reading and writing:
tl;dr
don't post your bad suggestions here again unless you want to be insulted by people FAR less respectful than me.

[YoYoStevo]

Originally posted by Dedelblute3:

Originally posted by YoYoStevo:

It's okay man, everyone can be wrong sometimes, one day I too may be wrong.

Since I've grown up as a respectful and sincere man, I'll tell you one thing, and that'll be the end of this.
If you aren't willing to change your opinion on a suggestion (and try to insult/humiliate the people you're talking to), then don't post said suggestion on a discussions forum.
These kinds of places are where people (should, there is still a lot of nonsense because of people like you) come to talk about a topic and maybe come to a better understanding of said topic.
There are better places to make a suggestion.
That is all I will be saying on this topic (as I feel I have made my points extremely clear, and you have basically ignored them), and I will be unsubscribing from this discussion.

Oh and if you couldn't be bothered to read in a place specifically for reading and writing:
tl;dr
don't post your bad suggestions here again unless you want to be insulted by people FAR less respectful than me.

Maybe one day you'll get the hint that nobody is reading your essays. Congrats on wasting your time.