Buff the spy

[Mr White]

I have played town of salem 2 for more than 100 hours and everytime I become a spy I get upset because compared to the other TIs ( sheriff , lookout , tracker , seer , etc .. ) His info isn't as adding as theirs

[Apra]

spy is either amazing or useless, there's no in between.

In a lot of games, it's very unlikely a spy will ever find anything useful.

Consider a game with Coven Leader, Wildling, Conjurer and Necromancer. NKs are serial killer and jester. What can a spy even find that's useful, other than confirming that someone was "attacked and healed" or something?

[PlagueGoBrr]

Originally posted by Apra:

spy is either amazing or useless, there's no in between.

In a lot of games, it's very unlikely a spy will ever find anything useful.

Consider a game with Coven Leader, Wildling, Conjurer and Necromancer. NKs are serial killer and jester. What can a spy even find that's useful, other than confirming that someone was "attacked and healed" or something?

"Your target was attacked but has high Defense" would be a useful info in your example. And also many TIs are useless in such specific setups. Illusionist and Enchanter counter most of TIs but Spy is the best counterpart here.
Your example has no Coven Deception roles in it so of course TIs have a good game here. I think Spy was made a bit to counter Coven Deception roles.

[megamewtwom]

You can find roles like Coven touched by Illusionist, can find Enchanted players, Plague, Douse, even refute fake claims of Silenced or Roleblocked... At least if you don't find anything that night, the bug persists until something does happen. Other than that, you're gonna end up confirming "yes, the Coven had killed this person". I think the weakness is that you're not actively investigating the evils, you're checking their potential targets.

Maybe bring back Spy being able to see Coven chat, or whispers.

[PlagueGoBrr]

I think the Old "You see who the Coven visited at night" was really good. That way you basically knew how many Coven there were, is there a CL with Medusa or just Medusa. And roles like Wildling and PM would have a much harder time fake claiming roles.

This Spy only focuses on Coven tho. With that many new evil roles, I think the Spy we have now is in an actual pretty good spot since besides Seer(which is overpowered in general), and Psychic its the only TI who can find basically any evildoer + it is the best Anti-Coven-Deception role.

Id rather buff Sheriff who, right now, can only find Neutral Evils and 3 out of 4 Coven.