[SUGGESTION] Change the Wipe System

[D.A.R.K.]

So... It seems each season everything will be force wiped. This means you are playing right now, progressing through the campaign, doing side quests, leveling up your character, unlocking things, and then, suddenly, everything is gone like a deleted character.

This system suck and it will be the end of this game. What you are doing is forcing the player replay the whole game every single season, which is stupid and waste a time. From every single little thing you can do bad on your game, the literal worst thing is wasting player's time.

I understand, you want to do something similar as Rust that you wipe the world, but there's a huge difference between Rust and Once Human that isn't worth going on about right now, but I'm gonna put my list of suggestions how to fix this issue:

01. DON'T DO THIS ON PvE SERVERS:
You made a great system of separating PvP players from PvE players, which is awesome, but doing that in PvE is the same as inviting your players to not play the game again simply because PLAYERS DON'T LIKE TO WASTE TIME, stopping forcing system that forces the player to delete the character and start over, this is NOT how you make replayability, and this is DEFINITELY how you kill your game.

02. PERMANENT CHARACTERS AND SEASONAL CHARACTERS:
Like literally any other game that has this seasonal system, add the permanent character and the seasonal character system. How this work? Simple: Every time a season ends, the seasonal character turns into the permanent character and players can play with forever without losing progress. Permanent characters can't play on season events but they aren't deleted after the end of the season.

03. DO NOT TRY TO REINVENT THE WHEEL:
Multiple games already dealt with this situation before, an alive world that players can modify, create base, and seasonal events. Those games and companies already found the solution for this that players are ok with, solutions that are acceptable. Do not try to reinvent the wheel when it's already ready, copy their method and implement in your game without trying to do something new that will destroy this game.



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Edit 1:
For sake of explaining one-by-one for those who don't know:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnceHumanOfficial/comments/18y7prk/seasonal_wipe/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWXfKH904ks&ab_channel=KingGothalionFanChannel

https://www.oncehuman.game/devBlog/20240325/37623_1144892.html

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Edit 2:
Ok... Important information... I went to the Once Human's Discord to show this thread to the developers and relative, I receive as reply those two images:

https://i.ibb.co/pbPgzsV/Once-Human-Wipe-System-01.png

https://i.ibb.co/DgCKqRd/Once-Human-Wipe-System-02.png

[LillyByte]

I'm on the PvE side, if they do wipes every season-- I'm just not gonna buy or play.

I don't have time to re-play over and over. I'm an adult, I ain't got that kinda time.

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by LillyByte:

I'm on the PvE side, if they do wipes every season-- I'm just not gonna buy or play.

I don't have time to re-play over and over. I'm an adult, I ain't got that kinda time.

I was excited for this game, I even told my friends to download and play with me, we like this type of survival game, with crafting, exploring, and building. But the moment I learned about this system, I already know the game will flop, because this is wasting player's time. No one likes to do things and have everything deleted, it's simply stupid.

Or the developers remove this system, or think about something different, or players won't keep playing the game, even for a free-to-play, won't even reach 5k players in the end. The PvP will be the first to die because, not only has naturally less players, but you won't have players to play against.

[Innominatam]

This system was added because of the lack of content in the game, from multiple people I have heard the content can be cleared in very little time, so they likely added this to cover that up.

So the problem for them then becomes what do they do if they add none wipe servers?

To me they would make more money and players if they just have none wipe serves people will come back to do the seasonal content knowing their stuff is still there

[AFC_HIGHBURY]

Originally posted by D.A.R.K.:

Originally posted by LillyByte:

I'm on the PvE side, if they do wipes every season-- I'm just not gonna buy or play.

I don't have time to re-play over and over. I'm an adult, I ain't got that kinda time.

I was excited for this game, I even told my friends to download and play with me, we like this type of survival game, with crafting, exploring, and building. But the moment I learned about this system, I already know the game will flop, because this is wasting player's time. No one likes to do things and have everything deleted, it's simply stupid.

Or the developers remove this system, or think about something different, or players won't keep playing the game, even for a free-to-play, won't even reach 5k players in the end. The PvP will be the first to die because, not only has naturally less players, but you won't have players to play against.

While I agree wipes ain't ideal, your basing the game losing players off wipes, rust , vrising (atleast at the start) both have wipes and this should show you you're wrong. Can also look at arpg's that wipe for seasons people always go back to see new mechanics. Sure 6 weeks is short and they probably should make it longer however add enough content and mechanics during that time and people will return. It'll die if they don't.

[Innominatam]

V rising has private servers which is where most of the people play and RUST is a straight up PVP game with no PVE, very different situations

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by AFC_HIGHBURY:

Originally posted by D.A.R.K.:

I was excited for this game, I even told my friends to download and play with me, we like this type of survival game, with crafting, exploring, and building. But the moment I learned about this system, I already know the game will flop, because this is wasting player's time. No one likes to do things and have everything deleted, it's simply stupid.

Or the developers remove this system, or think about something different, or players won't keep playing the game, even for a free-to-play, won't even reach 5k players in the end. The PvP will be the first to die because, not only has naturally less players, but you won't have players to play against.

While I agree wipes ain't ideal, your basing the game losing players off wipes, rust , vrising (atleast at the start) both have wipes and this should show you you're wrong

V Rising doesn't wipe, only if the host wants to. Different from Once Human, V Rising world is hosted by a player, which defines if they want the server to wipe or no. So, no, I'm not wrong, you are wrong.

The difference between Rust and Once Human is the scale and objectivity. Rust is a small game with the purpose of reaching high end level in day 1 so you can fight properly against other players while Once Human is huge, takes time and effort. If we were able to reach end-game in 1 day like Rust we wouldn't matter the wipe.

Both games that you give example shows that you don't know the difference between them and Once Human, and it proves you are wrong.

[AFC_HIGHBURY]

Originally posted by E.:

V rising has private servers which is where most of the people play and RUST is a straight up PVP game with no PVE, very different situations

Ok all the arpg's? Why do people go back.

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by AFC_HIGHBURY:

Can also look at arpg's that wipe for seasons people always go back to see new mechanics. Sure 6 weeks is short and they probably should make it longer however add enough content and mechanics during that time and people will return. It'll die if they don't.

Every single ARPG has the system of permanent character and seasonal character, that I also mentioned in my original post, but it seems you are too lazy to properly read everything. This system makes your seasonal character shift to permanent character, you don't lose your progress, I play a ton of ARPG, Diablo II, Diablo III, Diablo IV, Path of Exile, Last Epoch, and more, PLUS a lot of MMORPG also do that, like New World and World of Warcraft, and none of them wipes your character, just shifts them from seasonal to permanent.

Once again, even editing your comment, you shown you know nothing about this situation.

[AFC_HIGHBURY]

Originally posted by D.A.R.K.:

Originally posted by AFC_HIGHBURY:

While I agree wipes ain't ideal, your basing the game losing players off wipes, rust , vrising (atleast at the start) both have wipes and this should show you you're wrong

V Rising doesn't wipe, only if the host wants to. Different from Once Human, V Rising world is hosted by a player, which defines if they want the server to wipe or no. So, no, I'm not wrong, you are wrong.

The difference between Rust and Once Human is the scale and objectivity. Rust is a small game with the purpose of reaching high end level in day 1 so you can fight properly against other players while Once Human is huge, takes time and effort. If we were able to reach end-game in 1 day like Rust we wouldn't matter the wipe.

Both games that you give example shows that you don't know the difference between them and Once Human, and it proves you are wrong.

Eh I'm pretty sure official wipes, so no I ain't wrong. I haven't played in a while btw. Fine then solo pve games it doesn't matter the genre arpg's people go back. It's time spent when they can just be playing off season but they don't.

[AFC_HIGHBURY]

Originally posted by D.A.R.K.:

Originally posted by AFC_HIGHBURY:

Can also look at arpg's that wipe for seasons people always go back to see new mechanics. Sure 6 weeks is short and they probably should make it longer however add enough content and mechanics during that time and people will return. It'll die if they don't.

Every single ARPG has the system of permanent character and seasonal character, that I also mentioned in my original post, but it seems you are too lazy to properly read everything. This system makes your seasonal character shift to permanent character, you don't lose your progress, I play a ton of ARPG, Diablo II, Diablo III, Diablo IV, Path of Exile, Last Epoch, and more, PLUS a lot of MMORPG also do that, like New World and World of Warcraft, and none of them wipes your character, just shifts them from seasonal to permanent.

Once again, even editing your comment, you shown you know nothing about this situation.

Most people don't play off season, players rise when a new season starts, then players drop after. Who are you kidding. Majority play seasons.

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by AFC_HIGHBURY:

Originally posted by D.A.R.K.:

Every single ARPG has the system of permanent character and seasonal character, that I also mentioned in my original post, but it seems you are too lazy to properly read everything. This system makes your seasonal character shift to permanent character, you don't lose your progress, I play a ton of ARPG, Diablo II, Diablo III, Diablo IV, Path of Exile, Last Epoch, and more, PLUS a lot of MMORPG also do that, like New World and World of Warcraft, and none of them wipes your character, just shifts them from seasonal to permanent.

Once again, even editing your comment, you shown you know nothing about this situation.

Most people don't play off season, players rise when a new season starts, then players drop after. Who are you kidding. Majority play seasons.

It doesn't matter if most people play or don't play the season or the permanent content. What matter is allowing the player to keep playing with their character even if it's off season, this is what every single MMORPG does, this is what every ARPG does.

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by AFC_HIGHBURY:

My question for you is: Why are you defending this horrible system? It looks like you are from the damaging control department, but you aren't, so I don't understand why do you think it's ok to waste player's time every single season.

I'm gonna tell you this:
If the developers don't allow us to keep playing with our characters even if the season is over, this game will die as soon as a new season come out, people may not know this will happen, but when it happen, everyone will give up on the game and complain about it.

[AFC_HIGHBURY]

Originally posted by D.A.R.K.:

Originally posted by AFC_HIGHBURY:

Most people don't play off season, players rise when a new season starts, then players drop after. Who are you kidding. Majority play seasons.

It doesn't matter if most people play or don't play the season or the permanent content. What matter is allowing the player to keep playing with their character even if it's off season, this is what every single MMORPG does, this is what every ARPG does.

They should let you keep your characters I didn't disagree with you on that, I disagreed that it'll have less than 5k because of a wipe.

[AFC_HIGHBURY]

Also me editing my comment is just adding what I left out. Nothing I've said is wrong.

[D.A.R.K.]

Originally posted by AFC_HIGHBURY:

Originally posted by D.A.R.K.:

It doesn't matter if most people play or don't play the season or the permanent content. What matter is allowing the player to keep playing with their character even if it's off season, this is what every single MMORPG does, this is what every ARPG does.

They should let you keep your characters I didn't disagree with you on that, I disagreed that it'll have less than 5k because of a wipe.

I think you should REALLY go back and read what I said instead of only what you want to read. What I said? I said that: "IF the developers don't allow us to keep playing with our characters even if the season is over, this game will die as soon as a new season come out, people may not know this will happen, but when it happen, everyone will give up on the game and complain about it."

IF... IF... They don't allow us to keep playing with the character. They should simply do what every single other game does. Just added the permanent character, it's done.