So... I'm a little concerned on trying the game out

[Nexus]

Like... if it was just a fun little pve 7 days to die/sons of the forest/ whatever type optional co op game, that would be awesome. It looks perfect for that. But the free to play part is already a massive red flag right out of the gate as I find more often then not, gaming studios just use that as an excuse to shove in the most atrociously scummy monetization schemes they can come up with.

I'm not looking for spoilers just in case I do decide to get it to play with a friend. But I am looking to get some questions answered

1: is it strictly online?

2: if so, is it a PUBG/rust situation where it's forced pvpve?

3: what's the monetization like?

4: is there any degree of FOMO? (Fear of missing out) when it comes to said monetization?

5: is this another god forsaken battle pass situation?

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

[Vin]

Origineel geplaatst door AoD_lexandro:

Origineel geplaatst door Vin:

warframe is F2P with a Free battlepass. and the excuse here is? this is not a matter of paying to give support.

warframe is the golden standard for F2P model because they do not nickel and dime you for anything and their premium currency is tradeable.

1. i didn't even say anything about pay to win.
2. i did not say they shouldn't make money.

what i did say is and i repeat "Warframe is the golden standard for F2P"

you answered your own question with battlepass is 10$. the question i asked you was if it wasnt a problem for you that REWARDS are paywalled.

Warframe blows chunks and I would not play it if you paid me. This game on the other hand is actually fun and has modern graphics unlike warframe. So I bought a battlepass.

Does not matter what system warframe has when its a completely garbage game.

whatever you need to do to cope. this game is terrible as a survival game and as a shooter. it has very clunky controls compared to pretty much anything else.

[AoD_lexandro]

Origineel geplaatst door Vin:

whatever you to do to cope. this game is terrible as a survival game and as a shooter. it has very clunky controls compared to pretty much anything else.

Cope lol. Warframe is crap, period. And the controls are bog standard "new game" level for an MMO. If you think this is clunky you have never played WoW.

[Sharkinbear]

Origineel geplaatst door Vin:

Origineel geplaatst door LostInSpace:

so, i am not sure I am getting your point. This game has, objectively, a much better free2play system than Warframe. There isn't even a debate about that

can you trade the premium currency? is the battle pass free?

But... rewards aren't paywalled? The battle pass is free for everyone... the premium pass only gives you more consumables that everyone can obtain. The only thing not obtainable on the free are some choice cosmetics that ate just skin. Paywalled would assume content can't be completed unless you purchase into something.

Am I wrong in remembering that even though you can obtain all weapons and frames in game you still have to build them and wait for a certain time to pass to use them? And you can speed that process up with money? They seems like paywall to me. This game doesn't have any sort of system like that in place. That seems pretty egregious and seems like it prays on patience to speed up certain things.

[Neme]

Origineel geplaatst door Saxony:

1. Yes
2. PVP is opt in, you and another person have to opt in to damage each other. There are both pvp and pve servers
3. Cosmetics and Battlepass
4. Not really, it's barely noticeable
5. There's a free and premium battlepass

I shall quote this this one if you Dont mind Saxony.



I have 33 hours into this and it is how Jax explained it

[Vin]

Origineel geplaatst door Sharkinbear:

Origineel geplaatst door Vin:

can you trade the premium currency? is the battle pass free?

But... rewards aren't paywalled? The battle pass is free for everyone... the premium pass only gives you more consumables that everyone can obtain. The only thing not obtainable on the free are some choice cosmetics that ate just skin. Paywalled would assume content can't be completed unless you purchase into something.

Am I wrong in remembering that even though you can obtain all weapons and frames in game you still have to build them and wait for a certain time to pass to use them? And you can speed that process up with money? They seems like paywall to me. This game doesn't have any sort of system like that in place. That seems pretty egregious and seems like it prays on patience to speed up certain things.

huh? paying to speed up crafting is a pay wall? no. had you needed to pay money in order to complete said craft it would be a pay wall. the game doesnt stop all of a sudden because you have things crafting in the foundry.

a battlepass that has a premium section that you cannot get the rewards from unless you pay is on the other hand pay walling rewards.

[Donut]

Origineel geplaatst door LostInSpace:

so, i am not sure I am getting your point. This game has, objectively, a much better free2play system than Warframe. There isn't even a debate about that

To be honest, If you're saying that with intent to be "objective" that Once Human has a better F2P system than warframe then either you've been provided with extremely false information or that you don't know enough about warframe to be comparing the two

When it comes to both games and the matter of the superior "free to play" standard, Warframe wins by miles


Cosmetics
- Almost all cosmetics can be bought which the TRADABLE currency that is both in abundant and is extremely accessible to both new and old players in warframe, In Once human a good majority of cosmetics is completely locked behind a paywall with NO ways for free to players to gain them, Outside of the very very very few that can be unlocked through events and with a specific currency. Winner - Warframe by miles ahead

Premium Currency
- As written above, Warframes premium currency is completely tradable between all players and is actually extremely easy to obtain, As a low level i was able to make enough currency to buy all the cosmetics i want within a days of work, This game however has no way to obtain the premium currency without spending real money, Winner - Warframe

Battlepass
- Warframes battlepass (Nightwave) is completely free for everyone and has everything a player could need from weapon skins, cosmetics, mods and other extremely important equipment which again is completely free with no "Paid" alternative (a premium version), Once human on the other hand has a Free to play variant along with a premium version, The only way to obtain the premium battlepass is having to BUY it, Sure you can argue its only $10 but if your having to pay for services compared to warframes completely free services, Then its a pretty clear cut and dry winner - Warframe

Thought it was worth mentioning ^ That Once Human has another PAID pass called "Meta Pass" Which gives cosmetics for the first 3 levels but then proceeds to give you shorter cooldowns on eternaland orders as well as reduced building costs.... Yup "Better" Free system btw

So yes, Even if warframe is a niche game, It does actually have a superior Free to play system than Once Human in literally every single way, You need to keep in mind you're comparing a new game to a game thats been around for almost a decade, You aren't gonna with in terms of a "F2p/Pay2win" debate

[Sharkinbear]

Origineel geplaatst door Vin:

Origineel geplaatst door Sharkinbear:

But... rewards aren't paywalled? The battle pass is free for everyone... the premium pass only gives you more consumables that everyone can obtain. The only thing not obtainable on the free are some choice cosmetics that ate just skin. Paywalled would assume content can't be completed unless you purchase into something.

Am I wrong in remembering that even though you can obtain all weapons and frames in game you still have to build them and wait for a certain time to pass to use them? And you can speed that process up with money? They seems like paywall to me. This game doesn't have any sort of system like that in place. That seems pretty egregious and seems like it prays on patience to speed up certain things.

huh? paying to speed up crafting is a pay wall? no. had you needed to pay money in order to complete said craft it would be a pay wall. the game doesnt stop all of a sudden because you have things crafting in the foundry.

a battlepass that has a premium section that you cannot get the rewards from unless you pay is on the other hand pay walling rewards.

I'm not sure you understand what paywall means. Paywall is literally preventing people from progression or using items without spending money. Nothing in once human is paywalled. Name me one thing in the battlepass is necessary or gating from doing something in Once human. The fact that you can choose to spend money to skip a 12+ hour wait time on an item that you have all the parts for is literally paywalling. You are paying for the convenience of being able to use something that other people that can't afford to pay for and have to wait. Warframes are the same. They are functionally heroe ls with different ability that you can either farm individually for several hours or you can drop money to have a new character here and now. That is paywalled. There is nothing in this game anywhere close to that. And honestly, if you can't see that this discussion isn't really doing anyone any good because you are unwilling to see how much more egregious that is.

[Sharkinbear]

Origineel geplaatst door Donut:

Origineel geplaatst door LostInSpace:

so, i am not sure I am getting your point. This game has, objectively, a much better free2play system than Warframe. There isn't even a debate about that

To be honest, If you're saying that with intent to be "objective" that Once Human has a better F2P system than warframe then either you've been provided with extremely false information or that you don't know enough about warframe to be comparing the two

When it comes to both games and the matter of the superior "free to play" standard, Warframe wins by miles


Cosmetics
- Almost all cosmetics can be bought which the TRADABLE currency that is both in abundant and is extremely accessible to both new and old players in warframe, In Once human a good majority of cosmetics is completely locked behind a paywall with NO ways for free to players to gain them, Outside of the very very very few that can be unlocked through events and with a specific currency. Winner - Warframe by miles ahead

Premium Currency
- As written above, Warframes premium currency is completely tradable between all players and is actually extremely easy to obtain, As a low level i was able to make enough currency to buy all the cosmetics i want within a days of work, This game however has no way to obtain the premium currency without spending real money, Winner - Warframe

Battlepass
- Warframes battlepass (Nightwave) is completely free for everyone and has everything a player could need from weapon skins, cosmetics, mods and other extremely important equipment which again is completely free with no "Paid" alternative (a premium version), Once human on the other hand has a Free to play variant along with a premium version, The only way to obtain the premium battlepass is having to BUY it, Sure you can argue its only $10 but if your having to pay for services compared to warframes completely free services, Then its a pretty clear cut and dry winner - Warframe

Thought it was worth mentioning ^ That Once Human has another PAID pass called "Meta Pass" Which gives cosmetics for the first 3 levels but then proceeds to give you shorter cooldowns on eternaland orders as well as reduced building costs.... Yup "Better" Free system btw

So yes, Even if warframe is a niche game, It does actually have a superior Free to play system than Once Human in literally every single way, You need to keep in mind you're comparing a new game to a game thats been around for almost a decade, You aren't gonna with in terms of a "F2p/Pay2win" debate

The premium currency can't be used for ingame items... it's literally only for cosmetics. The fact that the major ingame currency, starchrom, can only be obtained by gameplay is a nice touch.

[◬ ☥ 𝕄𝕚𝕝𝕜 ☥ ◬]

1: is it strictly online?
yeah

2: if so, is it a PUBG/rust situation where it's forced pvpve?
no

3: what's the monetization like?
idk i dont buy stuff in games it seems a little high for me but again i dont buy things so it doesnt affect me and maybe i wouldn't know best

4: is there any degree of FOMO? (Fear of missing out) when it comes to said monetization?
I don't know what fomo is like. I guess if you're beholden to that kind of thing maybe but I dont think stuff goes away at least I didn't see anything that said "limited time only" or whatever, but I also didn't search the store with a fine tooth comb so I could have missed it to be fair.

5: is this another god forsaken battle pass situation?
I dunno what this means

Origineel geplaatst door Vin:

these guys are factually gating rewards behind a paywall. this is not a big issue to you? even Deep Rock Galactic doesn't do this.

It's sad how far Deep Rock fell, they clearly stopped giving a ♥♥♥♥ towards the end. I feel like rockpox was so bad like just totally un-fun, but thats probably just my opinion
RIP good game, u can still play it but they basically abandoned it for their mobile game or whatever that rocket jump game is

[Sharkinbear]

Origineel geplaatst door ◬ ☥ 𝕄𝕚𝕝𝕜 ☥ ◬:

1: is it strictly online?
yeah

2: if so, is it a PUBG/rust situation where it's forced pvpve?
no

3: what's the monetization like?
idk i dont buy stuff in games it seems a little high for me but again i dont buy things so it doesnt affect me and maybe i wouldn't know best

4: is there any degree of FOMO? (Fear of missing out) when it comes to said monetization?
I don't know what fomo is like. I guess if you're beholden to that kind of thing maybe but I dont think stuff goes away at least I didn't see anything that said "limited time only" or whatever, but I also didn't search the store with a fine tooth comb so I could have missed it to be fair.

5: is this another god forsaken battle pass situation?
I dunno what this means

Origineel geplaatst door Vin:

these guys are factually gating rewards behind a paywall. this is not a big issue to you? even Deep Rock Galactic doesn't do this.

It's sad how far Deep Rock fell, they clearly stopped giving a ♥♥♥♥ towards the end. I feel like rockpox was so bad like just totally un-fun, but thats probably just my opinion
RIP good game, u can still play it but they basically abandoned it for their mobile game or whatever that rocket jump game is

Abandoned it lol. They literally just put out their biggest update. And the new activity and enemies are fun as hell. The only thing that isn't so great imo are the changes to the escort mission boss. Some of the new mechanics are kinda rng stupid.

[Mythical]

Origineel geplaatst door Nexus:

Like... if it was just a fun little pve 7 days to die/sons of the forest/ whatever type optional co op game, that would be awesome. It looks perfect for that. But the free to play part is already a massive red flag right out of the gate as I find more often then not, gaming studios just use that as an excuse to shove in the most atrociously scummy monetization schemes they can come up with.

I'm not looking for spoilers just in case I do decide to get it to play with a friend. But I am looking to get some questions answered

1: is it strictly online?

2: if so, is it a PUBG/rust situation where it's forced pvpve?

3: what's the monetization like?

4: is there any degree of FOMO? (Fear of missing out) when it comes to said monetization?

5: is this another god forsaken battle pass situation?

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

1. It is strictly online.

2. There is NO forced PVP. Even on the PVP server you have to flag up for PVP, PVE servers have certain events that are PVP, the rewards are pretty mid.

3. It's all cosmetic, all of it. There is as of writing this no mechanical advantage that you can purchase with real money, neither directly or indirectly.

4. This will probably exist to some degree, but at this point it time we really don't know.

5. There is a battle pass, I'm going to be perfectly honest all the best stuff on the battlepass is on the free version of the battlepass. It's where all the starchrome is, which is what you use for legendary blueprints from the wish machine. The premium battlepass legit doesn't even award Starchrome. It is entirely cosmetics, and for me personally, the first pass cosmetics are pretty mid, so I haven't bought it.

You might also be concerned about wipes, the only real thing you're going to lose with wipes is player level and basic materials, you will keep all cosmetics, all formulas, all blueprints, all starchrome, main and sub quest progress etc etc. Materials are laughably easy to grind, you'll have more than you know what to do with by just playing the game. Deviations can also help automate some of the resource gathering.

It's free, and I highly suggest giving it a try at the very least. It may not be for you, but I've put about 50 hours in so far and I've been having a blast the whole way. I have never felt like I was grinding even once.

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Origineel geplaatst door Sharkinbear:

Origineel geplaatst door ◬ ☥ 𝕄𝕚𝕝𝕜 ☥ ◬:

1: is it strictly online?
yeah

2: if so, is it a PUBG/rust situation where it's forced pvpve?
no

3: what's the monetization like?
idk i dont buy stuff in games it seems a little high for me but again i dont buy things so it doesnt affect me and maybe i wouldn't know best

4: is there any degree of FOMO? (Fear of missing out) when it comes to said monetization?
I don't know what fomo is like. I guess if you're beholden to that kind of thing maybe but I dont think stuff goes away at least I didn't see anything that said "limited time only" or whatever, but I also didn't search the store with a fine tooth comb so I could have missed it to be fair.

5: is this another god forsaken battle pass situation?
I dunno what this means



It's sad how far Deep Rock fell, they clearly stopped giving a ♥♥♥♥ towards the end. I feel like rockpox was so bad like just totally un-fun, but thats probably just my opinion
RIP good game, u can still play it but they basically abandoned it for their mobile game or whatever that rocket jump game is

Abandoned it lol. They literally just put out their biggest update. And the new activity and enemies are fun as hell. The only thing that isn't so great imo are the changes to the escort mission boss. Some of the new mechanics are kinda rng stupid.

i was being a bit facetious to be fair they didn't literally abandon it i just feel like they lost alot of care for it. That's just my opinion and perspective I could be wrong surely.

[Sharkinbear]

Origineel geplaatst door ◬ ☥ 𝕄𝕚𝕝𝕜 ☥ ◬:

Origineel geplaatst door Sharkinbear:

Abandoned it lol. They literally just put out their biggest update. And the new activity and enemies are fun as hell. The only thing that isn't so great imo are the changes to the escort mission boss. Some of the new mechanics are kinda rng stupid.

i was being a bit facetious to be fair they didn't literally abandon it i just feel like they lost alot of care for it. That's just my opinion and perspective I could be wrong surely.

I get it. Especially when you like a property. I would say nice this season a go because the game, atleast for me, is a lot better. Let me know if you need a buddy to group and I'll do a couple of rounds lol.

[◬ ☥ 𝕄𝕚𝕝𝕜 ☥ ◬]

I'll certainly give it a try soon (tm). This game has me quite well at the moment but I'm really glad to hear that, I do love that game a lot it's very unique and fun overall. rock and stone to the bone

[Donut]

Origineel geplaatst door Sharkinbear:

The premium currency can't be used for ingame items... it's literally only for cosmetics. The fact that the major ingame currency, starchrom, can only be obtained by gameplay is a nice touch.

Hence why i didn't say anything about buying items in either game apart from cosmetics :P

You can only compare things from both games when they are actually comparable otherwise its like beating a dead horse ya know, Honestly, i think both games are fine, Warframe grew into an alright game with a really good free to play system but it had a decade to grow, And im sure Once Human will grow to be either a good game or a bad one but at the moment its brand new and basically is just a baby, I say we wait for it to grow