Manibus - locked out?

[Shammy]

I havent done any PW since my server has moved on from the normal/hard PW and hardly ever does Pro. I never got a chance to do any of them... thus I cant progress here.

Will I be locked out of public or NM manibus?

If so, I do hope that the Devs have read countless posts by folks like myself and make changes to this. Being gated & locked out like this is stupid. Theres no reason for the game to artificially say "Necause you havent done normal, you cant do hard. Because you cant do hard, you cant do Pro".

It creates a sense of FOMO and if you miss out, youre screwed (like me)... and if I miss out next season, Im not going to be playing much. Sucks because I enjoy all other parts of the game.

[Shammy]

bump

[Big Boom Boom]

Just start Easy/Hard/Pro PW, then shout on World chat. People would drop in and finish it in a flash. Do make Biomass Missiles because you do need to win Gold crate via contribution point in order to get next tier pass, and these bosses die very fast so you need to build Gatling Cannon (if it's not already there) and have at least 10 missiles.

On our server even now we still do Easy/Hard/Pro for people who hasn't done any. But they need to contribute because the Pass is from Crate reward, not just complete the War.

[Big Boom Boom]

And yes, you will get locked out of nightmare PW Manibus. Public close encounter is not locked.

[Kyutaru]

So do it. People run these around the clock on my server and we have a discord of over 400 players managing the server community.

Even after the last phase ends, you can choose to keep your character around for four more weeks. So you have over four weeks to do Manibus still. Get to the PWs.

[Shammy]

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

So do it. People run these around the clock on my server and we have a discord of over 400 players managing the server community.

Even after the last phase ends, you can choose to keep your character around for four more weeks. So you have over four weeks to do Manibus still. Get to the PWs.

I've tried once on easy, one person came without biomass I burned through all that I had on me. pretty sure my server is dead with that regard...

The concept of locking you behind completing previous difficulties is arbitrary. simple solution to this is to remove it.

[BigCrimes]

Originally posted by Shammy:

The concept of locking you behind completing previous difficulties is arbitrary. simple solution to this is to remove it

Prime Wars are locked to 40 people, so having a gated system with a minimum score to pass ensures people know what they're doing before they take up a spot in higher difficulties. I don't think anyone right now wants a bunch of people who don't bring bio/contribute taking up slots in nightmare PW.

[Vile]

Originally posted by crimesguy:

Originally posted by Shammy:

The concept of locking you behind completing previous difficulties is arbitrary. simple solution to this is to remove it

Prime Wars are locked to 40 people, so having a gated system with a minimum score to pass ensures people know what they're doing before they take up a spot in higher difficulties. I don't think anyone right now wants a bunch of people who don't bring bio/contribute taking up slots in nightmare PW.

Agree with this 100%. I once joined an easy PW to help out new players who started one. Not ONE of the 20ish players had any Biomissiles or crafted a turret. I got the boss shield down one time but ran out on the second shield with a 10th left. I crafted foundations in front of him to slow him down and people were still shooting him as he proceeded to demolish the terminal (which they hadn't even bothered to protect!!)

Hopefully next season there won't be so many dead and locked servers. It's just an unfortunate consequence that anyone unlucky enough to be trapped in a ghost town server won't get to experience PW and will have to wait or use the friends codes to switch when the update drops in a few hours.

[Shammy]

Originally posted by crimesguy:

Originally posted by Shammy:

The concept of locking you behind completing previous difficulties is arbitrary. simple solution to this is to remove it

Prime Wars are locked to 40 people, so having a gated system with a minimum score to pass ensures people know what they're doing before they take up a spot in higher difficulties. I don't think anyone right now wants a bunch of people who don't bring bio/contribute taking up slots in nightmare PW.

The reward system can do just that, even if they need to adjust it some. If all you do is bring dps to the boss after the shield is gone, youre not going to move beyond the first crate. tweak it so it requires some knowledge of what to do and what sorts of contribution methods you can bring.

[Puskai]

its mister MiniBus for you

[Vile]

There are other ways to contribute and score enough points to get the third crate besides damaging the shield with bio missiles and damaging the boss when its shields are down. You can build which gives you points if they're damaged/destroyed or you can kill mobs that spawn too. Plus if you launch rockets/grenades or throw advanced molotovs/grenades you can do enough damage to unlock the third crate on easy PW. If you get the memetic specialization that allows you to carry more biomass missiles you can even solo an easy PW with a bit of planning and skill.

[✯скуф+подпивас✯]

Originally posted by Big Boom Boom:

Just start Easy/Hard/Pro PW, then shout on World chat. People would drop in and finish it in a flash. Do make Biomass Missiles because you do need to win Gold crate via contribution point in order to get next tier pass, and these bosses die very fast so you need to build Gatling Cannon (if it's not already there) and have at least 10 missiles.

On our server even now we still do Easy/Hard/Pro for people who hasn't done any. But they need to contribute because the Pass is from Crate reward, not just complete the War.

I ran out of unlock points and I can't unlock the turrets that shoot rockets at bosses. What should I do now?

[Vile]

Originally posted by ✯Black Russian✯:

Originally posted by Big Boom Boom:

Just start Easy/Hard/Pro PW, then shout on World chat. People would drop in and finish it in a flash. Do make Biomass Missiles because you do need to win Gold crate via contribution point in order to get next tier pass, and these bosses die very fast so you need to build Gatling Cannon (if it's not already there) and have at least 10 missiles.

On our server even now we still do Easy/Hard/Pro for people who hasn't done any. But they need to contribute because the Pass is from Crate reward, not just complete the War.

I ran out of unlock points and I can't unlock the turrets that shoot rockets at bosses. What should I do now?

You can reset individual memetics to get back points and reinvest them in different ones to unlock the gatling turrets.

[BigCrimes]

Originally posted by Shammy:

Originally posted by crimesguy:

Prime Wars are locked to 40 people, so having a gated system with a minimum score to pass ensures people know what they're doing before they take up a spot in higher difficulties. I don't think anyone right now wants a bunch of people who don't bring bio/contribute taking up slots in nightmare PW.

The reward system can do just that, even if they need to adjust it some. If all you do is bring dps to the boss after the shield is gone, youre not going to move beyond the first crate. tweak it so it requires some knowledge of what to do and what sorts of contribution methods you can bring.

The problem with that is the rest of the harder PW group suffers so someone can learn at a high difficulty. I was frustrated with it too until I learned how PW worked. Lower difficulties are the way they are to teach you how it works, and it's detrimental and inefficient to put that on pro/nightmare groups to teach it. This is a standard MMO progression system, whether it's hard locks as PW use, or soft locks where a Pro Silo is unlocked based on level, but you could still fail it if your gear is crap. The game remedies this slightly where you can teleport to the PW for the first three minutes of the event if you unlocked it but aren't in the area, so you can show up with just a cannon and missiles.

Understanding how it works is so much more important than boss dps after the shield is gone. Especially for pro and nightmare, having bodies for boss dps is less important than planning ahead with materials and giving people roles (nightmare). One example of this is building a proper arena for the boss. I did Falcon Wing (pro) earlier and built a large base and blocking structures to defend from. At the end I had 600k block and a decent score just from building effectively, something that helped me score at the top of the scoreboard after. People need to learn this in easy/hard or it ruins the experience for the harder PW.

[johnno23]

too often players jump in unequipped for the task at hand. Use chat talk to other players etc and find out what one needs is the fastest route to success in this game. Also don't be too shy about asking for help as many players are quick to jump in and help out if you are prepared to listen and try your best. I also suggest joining a group hive whatever as many players will help you achieve a task and if you are social and participate the best you can other team members will help you out with a few missiles etc if your really struggling with resources etc. Social interaction in this game really goes a long way.

[Sloth]

Just write a post in world chat, share a waypoint to any prime war (easy, hard, pro, nm) and announce that you will begin this prime war at this location in 10 minutes. people will show up, they will bring missiles. even more so if you announce that its for anyone who hasn't done prime wars at all.

Even on my server, people still haven't done a single prime war. every day, more and more people are asking and starting prime wars, doing prime war trains from easy to nightmare all within a single day, and every other day. some may even go as far as to set up cannons and offer bio-missiles for anyone who doesn't have any, as they do on my server (pve 108)