So Disappointing

[SaberToothDeathMouse]

In just over a month's time, I have nearly 300 hours in game. I've played through my very first season, up to Phase 5 - Manibus. My daughter and I have put in all the time and effort, building our characters and finding combat builds we like and getting them the best we are able to when counting on RNG drops. We were both so eagerly awaiting the BIG FIGHT against the end-of-season boss - Manibus.

But we can't.

Why? Because neither of us were lucky enough to "roll" any possible way to make the ONLY WAY TO KILL this boss - red plasma missles. A specialty that only some people get. But yet it's absolutely required to even fight the boss because it's immune to anything else. This is so very disappointing that we have come THIS far, only to be shut out of the "epic battle" we've been working so hard towards. We don't know anyone in game that can make these necessary plasma missles. And those that CAN make them won't sell them because their Hive mates need them and they are "expensive to make". So people like us that CAN'T make them are just screwed. This is unacceptable. If the Devs are going to make an END OF SEASON boss that is immune to everything except ONE TYPE of weapon, then that weapon should be available to EVERYONE.

I was already on the fence about what a season wipe is gonna look like. But I was willing to give it a shot and play it through and decide afterward if it's something that I can deal with. But now this? We both already got "screwed" on crappy Specialization rolls - we can't even make ballistic missles - we had to buy those for "normal" pw's. We can't make a lot of the things that are necessary for some of the content because of CRAP RNG rolls.

I've really loved playing this game for the last 4-5 weeks and we've had hella fun. But thank gawd it was free. I don't know if I'll keep playing after we move into the next season. If starting all over is just too much, or if we just keep getting crappy RNG spec rolls, I'll be moving on to another game.

[RangeFinder]

Are you talking about the manibus in the prime war?

[SaberToothDeathMouse]

Originally posted by RangeFinder:

Are you talking about the manibus in the prime war?

I'm talking about the Nightmare one. The one that is supposed to drop really great loot? I've killed Manibus on some of the other difficulties - in fact, I solo'd one last night (lol took me a long time and tons of ammo). But from my understanding, if you want to fight the Nightmare mode one, it is immune to anything but plasma missles. Am I mistaken?

[RangeFinder]

You can try to team up with others... usually that is how prime wars go.

[SaberToothDeathMouse]

Originally posted by RangeFinder:

You can try to team up with others... usually that is how prime wars go.

LOL I know that - I wouldn't even attempt the Nightmare Manibus solo or even just with my daughter. But I'm saying I've been told the **Nightmare** one is immune to anything but red plasma missles. We could stand there and empty our ammo on it but it won't do anything unless we have those specific missles.

Like I said, we have done all the previous pw's (normal, hard, pro) with others on the server, and were lucky enough to have others that COULD make ballistic missles give/sell us some to fight in the pw's. But it seems no one wants to share/sell the plasma missles needed for Nightmare Manibus. If I'm mistaken then I don't know why people are saying (in game) that we need the plasma missles to kill the end-of-season boss. If I'm wrong I will gladly delete this thread.

[kamikazedelaghetto]

you will need red plasma missiles to dmg the silver shielding, right.
and only a certain amount of people will get the perk to create them, right

but nightmare pw was never supposed to be a solo gameplay. we had a 20 man party with even 5 people equipped with full red plasma rounds and we still lost due to bad tactics and bad base building. go out find friends . help each other out and it will pay off.

you only need to defeat him once for starchrom and then farm him for best mods.
but you could also get good enough mods from silos or other bosses.

lastly i was farmed up with red plasma mysel and ready to go to PW. but when reached week 6 most of people already left for new season. so even with those missiles, i didnt do much.

just dont let, the "thinking" error of the devs destroy your fun towards the game you had with your daughter the weeks before. after each season it resets anyways. ( i had like 80 red plasma unused sitting in my storage)

[󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡]

I agree that random given specialization is not a very good idea. In fact, I don't like it.

However, there's one thing maybe you don't know. Killing Bosses that spawn in Nightmare Primewar gives you Red Plasma (new name Silver Plasma) that you can use. They only drop 3 per boss but if the fight is drawn out, you could get enough to get the score you need. In fact, that is how the boss is designed to be fought. Kill small boss > get RPR > remove Manbus shield > Kill Manibus.

But more realistic solution is talk to people participating. To make them craft for you.
Although, in my experience (I've played Manibus 3 times), a lot of people are willing to share you some for free if you just ask. My condolences, but your server sounds horrible lol

Anyway, if there a lot of people participate, you wouldn't need to worry about don't have RPR yourself. Just defend the base from small bosses, get rpr drop if you can, wait for someone else to remove the shield to then do damage to Manibus. If you worry about score, dealing damage to small bosses gives you score too.

[SaberToothDeathMouse]

Originally posted by kamikazedelaghetto:

you will need red plasma missiles to dmg the silver shielding, right.
and only a certain amount of people will get the perk to create them, right

but nightmare pw was never supposed to be a solo gameplay. we had a 20 man party with even 5 people equipped with full red plasma rounds and we still lost due to bad tactics and bad base building. go out find friends . help each other out and it will pay off.

you only need to defeat him once for starchrom and then farm him for best mods.
but you could also get good enough mods from silos or other bosses.

lastly i was farmed up with red plasma mysel and ready to go to PW. but when reached week 6 most of people already left for new season. so even with those missiles, i didnt do much.

just dont let, the "thinking" error of the devs destroy your fun towards the game you had with your daughter the weeks before. after each season it resets anyways. ( i had like 80 red plasma unused sitting in my storage)

I don't know why people keep telling me "it's not meant to do solo". I DON'T want to do it solo, have never said I wanted to solo it! I only mentioned that I DID solo an easy manibus pw yesterday. My question/comment was about the **NIGHTMARE** Manibus pw and how my daughter and I cannot make or get our hands on RED PLASMA missles. THAT is what this whole thread is about. I'm disappointed that the Devs created mechanics where something that is NECESSARY to kill the "end-game" (season end) BIG BOSS (Nightmare mode) is so dependent on a stupid RNG roll to let the player participate.

We did make friends on the server, and that's how we managed to do the Normal/Hard/Pro pws up to this point (because neither of us could make ballistic missles OR the Turrets either). But the friends we made left the server as soon as Lunar dropped. The 2 that didn't, left yesterday after THEY killed Manibus in Nightmare mode. As did a lot of others on the server that had the ability to make plasma rockets.

The "thinking" of Developers is what makes or breaks a game. I guess they didn't THINK about what would happen when the majority of players that DO get the "right" specializations all leave the server, the rest of the players are left with not being able to continue.

[SaberToothDeathMouse]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡󠀡󠀡:

I agree that random given specialization is not a very good idea. In fact, I don't like it.

However, there's one thing maybe you don't know. Killing Bosses that spawn in Nightmare Primewar gives you Red Plasma (new name Silver Plasma) that you can use. They only drop 3 per boss but if the fight is drawn out, you could get enough to get the score you need. In fact, that is how the boss is designed to be fought. Kill small boss > get RPR > remove Manbus shield > Kill Manibus.

But more realistic solution is talk to people participating. To make them craft for you.
Although, in my experience (I've played Manibus 3 times), a lot of people are willing to share you some for free if you just ask. My condolences, but your server sounds horrible lol

Anyway, if there a lot of people participate, you wouldn't need to worry about don't have RPR yourself. Just defend the base from small bosses, get rpr drop if you can, wait for someone else to remove the shield to then do damage to Manibus. If you worry about score, dealing damage to small bosses gives you score too.

This info does help quite a bit - thank you. I'm just not sure how many that have remained on the server (mass exodus after Lunar dropped) that can even make the plasma rockets (or whatever they are called). The few that have responded in chat say they only have enough to share with family/friends/hive because they are so "expensive" to make. I can't even offer them materials to make them because I don't have those materials. It's really not a bad server - it just lost a lot of the players we got to know because they wanted to play on a Lunar server (and they are on their 3-4th season of play).

[Silverkill]

You dont need to make those rockets, they will drop from the smaller bosses that you can kill with the normal plasma Rockets (those that are unlocked from the memetics together with the Guns to shoot them). Just be quick to pick them up after you killed the smaller bosses, then bring them to a gun that aims high enough to hit the Manibusarms. Watch out wich Rocket is selected before shooting.

I hope i could clarify this mechanic for you and help you understand how Nightmare Primewar work without bringing those Red plasma rockets with you. If you have further questions about the game feel free to add me and ask whatever you want to know.

Happy Hunting out there Meta

[Critical Mass]

I don’t know why you say your daughter and you can’t make turrets and biomass missiles (“we can’t even make ballistic missiles”). You only need memetics points and Energy links to get the memetics to be able to make those. Either play more to earn some or reset some memetics (many can be reset with no consequence if you get them, build what they allow you to build then reset them eg wish machine, vending machine, 2 isolation securement unit upgrades…). Also you can find memetic specialization memory fragments if you farm monoliths especially. You only get 3 times in a season (I think) that you can change a specialization but if you really want that ability then save one for when you get the memory fragments. If you aren’t finding one ask to trade for one.
But ultimately if you feel like you need to be the hero of the story then this game might not do it for you. You definitely are supposed to be a heroic individual but only a bug to be squashed when you are on your own against some parts of the game. You have to be part of a united effort by what remains of humanity to survive. Some seasons you will be one of the ones who has the knowledge and skill to build turrets where they can hit Manibus without being destroyed and the red plasma rounds to do it. Some seasons you will be playing a smaller role, one of many running around with hand guns killing the minibuses or groundlings or pouring damage into Manibus’ arms as they have their shielding broken by the chosen ones.

[SteelAceBae]

You don't miss anything not doing PW Nightmare, it's just an extra PW, Pro PW is were the goodies at, since PW NM gold box does not even give out Deviants.

[TrioAngelamVA.WliaAlfaD.A.S]

The random given specialization is ass no matter how you look or take it in this games wipes your progress every (more or less) 6 weeks and on top of that you get RNG on stuff that can often be totally useless they really should change that.

[Martin]

Originally posted by SaberToothDeathMouse:

In just over a month's time, I have nearly 300 hours in game. I've played through my very first season, up to Phase 5 - Manibus. My daughter and I have put in all the time and effort, building our characters and finding combat builds we like and getting them the best we are able to when counting on RNG drops. We were both so eagerly awaiting the BIG FIGHT against the end-of-season boss - Manibus.

But we can't.

Why? Because neither of us were lucky enough to "roll" any possible way to make the ONLY WAY TO KILL this boss - red plasma missles. A specialty that only some people get. But yet it's absolutely required to even fight the boss because it's immune to anything else. This is so very disappointing that we have come THIS far, only to be shut out of the "epic battle" we've been working so hard towards. We don't know anyone in game that can make these necessary plasma missles. And those that CAN make them won't sell them because their Hive mates need them and they are "expensive to make". So people like us that CAN'T make them are just screwed. This is unacceptable. If the Devs are going to make an END OF SEASON boss that is immune to everything except ONE TYPE of weapon, then that weapon should be available to EVERYONE.

I was already on the fence about what a season wipe is gonna look like. But I was willing to give it a shot and play it through and decide afterward if it's something that I can deal with. But now this? We both already got "screwed" on crappy Specialization rolls - we can't even make ballistic missles - we had to buy those for "normal" pw's. We can't make a lot of the things that are necessary for some of the content because of CRAP RNG rolls.

I've really loved playing this game for the last 4-5 weeks and we've had hella fun. But thank gawd it was free. I don't know if I'll keep playing after we move into the next season. If starting all over is just too much, or if we just keep getting crappy RNG spec rolls, I'll be moving on to another game.

Sniper Rifle. Sorted. Oh and 20k ammo.. maybe carry a spare sniper as well. Shoot the little flowers.. done.

[Big Boom Boom]

Originally posted by Martin:

Sniper Rifle. Sorted. Oh and 20k ammo.. maybe carry a spare sniper as well. Shoot the little flowers.. done.

As usual, Martin has zero idea what's going on after 2,000 hours. You can't do damage to PW Manibus without breaking its shield with Red/Silver Plasma Missiles. You can't even do DMG to its shield like with OE Kin shield, without Plasma. Biomass doesn't do even 1 DMG on Manibus (Original Entity) shield.

@ OP, as others pointed out just make Biomass Missiles (the "normal" missiles), break the miniboss (Original Entity Kin) shield then kill them. They drop Plasma Missiles that last 1 hour, use them on Manibus. Won't be easily with like 5 people, you need lots more people as the minibosses will spawn quite frequently in 2 directions and they do and will break the Staroid Restrainer. Manibus bombardment can also break structure and Turret, so do make several layers of defence with multiple Turret. Biomass Missiles is not locked behind any specialisation, although there's a specialisation that give you triple yield when crafting it.

[SaberToothDeathMouse]

Originally posted by Critical Mass:

I don’t know why you say your daughter and you can’t make turrets and biomass missiles (“we can’t even make ballistic missiles”). You only need memetics points and Energy links to get the memetics to be able to make those. Either play more to earn some or reset some memetics (many can be reset with no consequence if you get them, build what they allow you to build then reset them eg wish machine, vending machine, 2 isolation securement unit upgrades…). Also you can find memetic specialization memory fragments if you farm monoliths especially. You only get 3 times in a season (I think) that you can change a specialization but if you really want that ability then save one for when you get the memory fragments. If you aren’t finding one ask to trade for one.
But ultimately if you feel like you need to be the hero of the story then this game might not do it for you. You definitely are supposed to be a heroic individual but only a bug to be squashed when you are on your own against some parts of the game. You have to be part of a united effort by what remains of humanity to survive. Some seasons you will be one of the ones who has the knowledge and skill to build turrets where they can hit Manibus without being destroyed and the red plasma rounds to do it. Some seasons you will be playing a smaller role, one of many running around with hand guns killing the minibuses or groundlings or pouring damage into Manibus’ arms as they have their shielding broken by the chosen ones.

You, and a few others here, have completely misunderstood my posts. I'm not looking to be the "hero of the story" and I'm really not sure what I said to give anyone that impression. I enjoy the "community effort" and teamwork it takes to bring down a big ugly boss. Read that again please... I ENJOY the teamwork!

So I don't know if it's because I'm brand new to this game, or I just got some bad information, but I was under the impression that if you didn't have RED PLASMA missles/rockets (whatever they are called), then you **could not do ANY damage** to Nightmare Manibus and would not collect the loot crate at the end. I now understand, from some helpful folks here, that it IS possible to participate even if I don't have the rockets I was told were necessary. I was told the regular ballistic missles will do NO DAMAGE to the Nightmare Manibus.

As for making the ballistic missles - yes I could buy the memetics by shifting around some other points, but I don't have the materials needed to produce them. I don't remember what all it takes, but there were some that I just don't have time (or the ability) to farm. Please remember that I am a **brand new** player and I'm still just trying to learn the basics, and in some cases just the "lingo" of the game. I'm not a 15-hours-a-day hardcore gamer - I'm somewhere between that and "casual" gamer. Please don't tell me "this game might not be for you" - I'm 63 years old and can make that decision myself. I'm making an effort to learn without just quitting because "omg it's too hard".