Here is why I hate seasons.

[DragonbornWastelander]

I have a few reasons why I think seasons, more specifically character resets, are a poor choice.

1) I am a completionist gamer. I like to take my time with games. Seasons puts a rush on things and makes me feel like I’m losing out on something by not rushing through towns, dialogue and quests.
2) I am a father of three. Therefore my time to game is limited. This makes progression slow even if I chose to speed through a season I’d still be far behind the majority.
3) As far as a unique twist that makes this game “different” than others in the genre, seasons does make it stand out. But I would argue it’s standout by making the game worse.

I am coming up on my first season crossover and I’m pretty sure that myself, and a handful of other gamers, will give the new season a chance. But after reading a lot of reviews from other gamers that have began new seasons I don’t feel I will last long until I switch back to one of my classic survival games that I have been playing for years (and still have all my progress).

[Dr4given]

so what i been hearing is true.. at change of season u lose what everything?

[As5AppL3]

Originally posted by Dr4given:

so what i been hearing is true.. at change of season u lose what everything?

there will be no new season, just the same thing but from the beginning and that's the stupidest thing, there will be no new map area, it will be like someone reset the server and you lost everything, we will play the same thing only renewed with a few crappy blueprints that you got earlier!

I don't have the motivation to play it anymore, if I knew from the beginning that there was a season reset I wouldn't have played this game!

[Gyson]

Originally posted by DragonbornWastelander:

I am a completionist gamer. I like to take my time with games. Seasons puts a rush on things and makes me feel like I’m losing out on something by not rushing through towns, dialogue and quests.

This one bothers me a lot too. And, to add insult to injury, the wipe mechanic often seems at odds with parts of this game's design.

For example, they have all these wonderful points of interests with backstories/lore built into them, all gradually increasing in level and difficulty to encourage moving from one to the other. But then they discourage us from bothering with any of them because 1) progress in clearing them from the map is lost with each season, 2) they throw so much XP at the player from a range of other sources that we quickly out-level the POIs and they become largely pointless, 3) they nerfed the requirements for clearing the POIs, and now all you have to do is dart in, grab the chest that is no longer locked behind any form of progression, dart out and you're done.

The content is there for this game to be a much longer burn, but they aren't encouraging players to play that way with the current design because everything is tuned around the idea of frequent resets. They could easily slow down the rate of progression (which is ludicrously high at this moment - so much so that every pro-wipe arguer loves to point out how trivial re-leveling characters back up is), which in turn would stretch out the existing content.

The resets really make me feel like I can't play this game the way I want to actually enjoy it.

[DtHouse]

you still don't get it, you only lost the current gear (it will be stored on eternaland) and the material you got (also store on eternaland) but you will take with you all your Bp, all of your upgrade and all of your mods. So basically you will start again at lvl 1, but with the best build ready to be created and uesed again. I was a lvl 1 with a complete build and i was melting enemy with 0 effort ^^ The wipe isn't so bad

[Gyson]

Originally posted by DtHouse:

you still don't get it, you only lost the current gear (it will be stored on eternaland) and the material you got (also store on eternaland) but you will take with you all your Bp, all of your upgrade and all of your mods. So basically you will start again at lvl 1, but with the best build ready to be created and uesed again. I was a lvl 1 with a complete build and i was melting enemy with 0 effort ^^ The wipe isn't so bad

It's funny when someone starts off there post with "you still don't get it", and then proceeds to show everyone that they themselves don't actually get it.

All that stuff you mentioned was not what the original poster was concerned about. Did you actually read his post, or did you just see the title and then your vision turned red?

[Vela Darney]

Here's the thing - if you don't like seasons then Once Human isn't the right kind of game for you. The seasons mechanic won't be going anywhere So, yeah, you might as well go back to your other seasonless survival games right away.

Originally posted by As5AppL3:

Originally posted by Dr4given:

so what i been hearing is true.. at change of season u lose what everything?

there will be no new season, just the same thing but from the beginning and that's the stupidest thing, there will be no new map area, it will be like someone reset the server and you lost everything, we will play the same thing only renewed with a few crappy blueprints that you got earlier!

Well, there's no new season with new content, YET, but there's gonna be two in the near future, a PvP one in September and a PvE one in October. Maybe learn how to read announcements and look up game info before you start spreading stuff that's not true?

Originally posted by Gyson:

It's funny when someone starts off there post with "you still don't get it", and then proceeds to show everyone that they themselves don't actually get it.

All that stuff you mentioned was not what the original poster was concerned about. Did you actually read his post, or did you just see the title and then your vision turned red?

They were probably talking to that person up there who claimed you lose everything, which simply isn't true. Did YOU actually UNDERSTAND their post or did your vision just turn red when not everyone here agreed with OP's and your point of view?

[Gyson]

Originally posted by Vela Darney:

Originally posted by Gyson:

It's funny when someone starts off there post with "you still don't get it", and then proceeds to show everyone that they themselves don't actually get it.

All that stuff you mentioned was not what the original poster was concerned about. Did you actually read his post, or did you just see the title and then your vision turned red?

They were probably talking to that person up there who claimed you lose everything, which simply isn't true. Did YOU actually UNDERSTAND their post or did your vision just turn red when not everyone here agreed with OP's and your point of view?

Nope, I just relied on forum-usage common sense. When someone replies to a thread without quoting a specific post, they're generally either responding to the original post/topic or responding to the post directly above the one they're creating (which, in this case, was my post). It would be silly to expect people to realize you're instead responding to some random post nestled somewhere in the thread, unless you referred to someone specifically by name in your response.

For example, I can look at your post and know you're addressing the original topic first, and then specifically addressing As5AppL3's comment, and then specifically addressing mine. See how that works?

But in the end you're just speculating, so I stand by what I said.

[bigbishounen]

Originally posted by Gyson:

Originally posted by DragonbornWastelander:

I am a completionist gamer. I like to take my time with games. Seasons puts a rush on things and makes me feel like I’m losing out on something by not rushing through towns, dialogue and quests.

This one bothers me a lot too. And, to add insult to injury, the wipe mechanic often seems at odds with parts of this game's design.

For example, they have all these wonderful points of interests with backstories/lore built into them, all gradually increasing in level and difficulty to encourage moving from one to the other. But then they discourage us from bothering with any of them because 1) progress in clearing them from the map is lost with each season, 2) they throw so much XP at the player from a range of other sources that we quickly out-level the POIs and they become largely pointless, 3) they nerfed the requirements for clearing the POIs, and now all you have to do is dart in, grab the chest that is no longer locked behind any form of progression, dart out and you're done.

The content is there for this game to be a much longer burn, but they aren't encouraging players to play that way with the current design because everything is tuned around the idea of frequent resets. They could easily slow down the rate of progression (which is ludicrously high at this moment - so much so that every pro-wipe arguer loves to point out how trivial re-leveling characters back up is), which in turn would stretch out the existing content.

The resets really make me feel like I can't play this game the way I want to actually enjoy it.

I feel the same way you do about the whole "seasons" thing. It forces you to really race through due to FOMO.

But here's the thing: Ask yourself WHY a company would design a game around short fast gaming sessions and resetting everything so that you can go back through the game loop short and fast and do it all again?

Who made the game?

A Chinese gaming company. And like all Chinese companies, the Chinese government has a finger in the pie.

What is the ONE THING that the Chinese Government utterly HATES about gamers and gaming and is doing everything is can to prevent?

The Asian OCD Gamer.

The Asian kids that will spend HOURS and HOURS and HOURS playing a game to completion. Speed running it and trying to do as much as possible as fast as possible and just obsessively playing it over and over and perfecting their playing of it to a degree that they put their own LIVES at risk due to malnutrition and lack of sleep.

This is a game designed to satisfy THAT gamer while simultaneously also satisfying the desire of the Chinese Government to prevent that gamer from spending too much time playing games.

This is a game deliberately designed to exhaust the content fast while not FEELING like you are exhausting it. Designed to be played in the short bursts that the Chinese Government limits their gamers to (or it damages their Social Credit Score).

It is designed to fit within that restrictive paradigm while also allowing that obsessive gamer the dopamine hit that keeps them coming back for more.

That explains EVERYTHING about why Seasons and wipes but still allowing you to keep the REALLY powerful and important stuff you worked so hard for.

This, through and through, is a game that reflects the current zeitgeist of Chinese culture as it stands in the early 21st century.

[Monarch]

Then it just simply means Once Human isn't for you.

And that's okay, not everything is made for you, and you're not going to like everything you see.

Maybe come back in a year or two.
Devs mentioned eventually down the road they might introduce a stagnant persistent world / server.

[NapiCat - LEJIUNEA]

The wipe is basically a server clutter cleaner.
That's it.
People gather 10 chests full of wood
10 full of Iron
10 full of copper and so on.
Basically it makes the server stability worse.

The wipe does not affect progress. You can continue where you left off with quests.
The wipe does not affect mods/gun attachments // blueprints // cosmetics // Premium Currency (only the base currency is wiped).
It does not feel that bad

[Gyson]

Originally posted by NapiCat - LEJIUNEA:

The wipe is basically a server clutter cleaner.
That's it.
People gather 10 chests full of wood
10 full of Iron
10 full of copper and so on.
Basically it makes the server stability worse.

The wipe does not affect progress. You can continue where you left off with quests.
The wipe does not affect mods/gun attachments // blueprints // cosmetics // Premium Currency (only the base currency is wiped).
It does not feel that bad

What "feels bad" varies from one individual to the next.

You value mods and blueprints, and the game allows you to keep the ones you've collected. So, for you, the resets are fine.

Meanwhile, Bob values filling the entire map with completion-checkmarks, but the reset keeps resetting their progress before they can clear every POI, preventing them from achieving their goal. So, for Bob, the resets feel bad.

Now if map progression was not wiped, but mods and blueprints were wiped, would you appreciate Bob trying to convince you that the resets don't "feel that bad"? Probably not.

People need to stop thinking "well this is fine for me personally and that's all that matters", and think more about how this game can appeal to more people. Because unless you intend to personally fund the ongoing operation of this live service all by yourself, we're going to need more people than just you to be excited about this.

[EvilHare]

Originally posted by Gyson:

we're going to need more people than just you to be excited about this.

He is not the only one. Or have you chose to ignore that this thread is filled with people for the wipe as well.

You assuming that the poster was the ONLY ONE is absurd. Your words

[EQOAnostalgia]

I already downloaded Division 2 to see what's going on over there after being gone a year. But this game did get me back into the genre so... there's that lol. But nah, i can't see myself playing it beyond a couple seasons myself. Coming back now and then to check it out over time.

[Gegoben]

Originally posted by Dr4given:

so what i been hearing is true.. at change of season u lose what everything?

Right now it feels that way. I see all my things, but you can only take out a certain amount. For example, you can take out 20 adrenaline shots, and cant afford anything else.

[lordstuffing]

Originally posted by DragonbornWastelander:

I have a few reasons why I think seasons, more specifically character resets, are a poor choice.

1) I am a completionist gamer. I like to take my time with games. Seasons puts a rush on things and makes me feel like I’m losing out on something by not rushing through towns, dialogue and quests.
2) I am a father of three. Therefore my time to game is limited. This makes progression slow even if I chose to speed through a season I’d still be far behind the majority.
3) As far as a unique twist that makes this game “different” than others in the genre, seasons does make it stand out. But I would argue it’s standout by making the game worse.

I am coming up on my first season crossover and I’m pretty sure that myself, and a handful of other gamers, will give the new season a chance. But after reading a lot of reviews from other gamers that have began new seasons I don’t feel I will last long until I switch back to one of my classic survival games that I have been playing for years (and still have all my progress).

same hate its stupid practice