not even one real PVP server?

[Kane]

Where are the real PVP servers, I mean the real ones. Why is there no real PVP in the game?

I activate PVP and have to wait until someone else also activates PVP? Please what? Why are these servers even marked as PVP, that's PVE.

I can only attack players under certain conditions, that has nothing to do with real PVP
I can't attack players' bases, why do you even need walls in the game, or base defenses?

Why do we have countless PVE servers and not a single, NOT a single real PVP server?

[yym331]

It feels like the responses are not addressing the question properly. The issue is that although there are separate PvE and PvP servers, it is completely impossible to engage in PvP (including PK) on the PvP server.

[◬ ☥ 𝕄𝕚𝕝𝕜 ☥ ◬]

Originally posted by Tachyon:

Because PvP just isn't that popular, despite all the little Combat Wombats saying it is. .

Its funny how often you see this in games. Even places like BDO or OSRS change things based off of what benefits pvp players as if anyone plays pvp.
Both of those games have a hilariously small pvp segment that keeps getting smaller yet people act like they make up 90% of the player population when its unironically more like 10%. Makes no sense but devs cater to them for some unknown reason so of course they think they're more important than they are.
I'm not ♥♥♥♥ talking bdos pvp scene either I had many good times with many wonderful people but that doesn't change reality.

My personal take is that games that aren't fully 100% pvp focused do both ends (pvp and pve) of players injustice by not dedicating the proper resources/time/etc to either one. In most of these games pvp community is totally neglected and ignored, but then for example the pve weapons will be balanced around pvp. :|

Something like Arena of Solaire is a pretty good step in the right direction (equalized gear and levels, but still having for example 3 sets of gear to mix and match) but yanno what can ya do every dev has a different idea of pvp etc
Anyways thanks for reading my blog

Originally posted by EvilHare:

For the longest time, I have been strictly PvE in my MMOs/Live service games. But recently I tried some instanced PvP in Tarisland and come to enjoy it due to the instanced and small groups.

As for any PvP shooter, I am am terrible at it. My oldest would carry me and our whole team in any shooter game. But I enjoy the PvE shooter. That's why I am here.

I have a similar situation in that I've never really enjoyed pvp except in a few games or game modes, but I do enjoy it overall. I think a large part of the problem at least for me is that most of them are half assed. I like ffxiv pvp for example but its also a total ♥♥♥♥ show so im not surprised a lot of people dont touch it. BDO really got me to enjoy it because there are a lot of good community members that enjoy playing with new people and helping them learn like Macilus or Vert (streamer names) this can't help in every situation but I found it particularly easy to enjoy compared to the past games i've played like wow or such (i did enjoy 3v3s before it became nightmare metas)

Originally posted by AFC_HIGHBURY:

I think there is alot to enjoy in PvP depending on how it's incorporated. alot just see survival and mmo's genres and think negatively about PvP and rightly so, I absolutely despise offline raiding in most survival games and is why I stopped playing them. I do enjoy shooters though but ofcourse it's better when everyone is on a level playing field with gear.

100% agree

[Tachyon]

Originally posted by AFC_HIGHBURY:

Originally posted by Tachyon:

Yes, this is also a good system, which I liked about Eve Online many, many years ago. There are "safe" sectors in space (nowhere is guaranteed 100% safe, though) and you know full well that if you enter a lawless sector - to get resources, for example - you are potential prey, and a predator could come along at any time.

Other games have done a broadly similar thing over the years, featuring zones that contained really good stuff, higher XP and which gave more vanilla resources too. Venture in, and everyone knows what could happen.

Even that never really gained as much traction as it deserved because, fundamentally, a lot of PvP players don't really want to attack people who are geared up and fully expecting combat at any moment. The other side of that coin was that PvE players thought, "sod the otherwise tempting goodies in there. I can make do without them and just keep grinding".

Games that feature 100% PvP never seem to get thriving populations, either. Honestly, I reiterate, what the hell do PvP players want there days? 🙂

Most people that want full PvP just want to gank or zerg most don't even hide that lol. I'm one that likes to chill some days then PvP on others aslong as PvP isn't forced then all is well, definitely some tweaks could be made to make both sides happy.

Yep, I mentioned that further up, in a post the OP said answered their question. PvP players are, consistently, hypocrites and liars, concerning what they do and what they want out of PvP. They don't fool anyone.

[Tachyon]

Originally posted by yym331:

It feels like the responses are not addressing the question properly. The issue is that although there are separate PvE and PvP servers, it is completely impossible to engage in PvP (including PK) on the PvP server.

We understand the question fully and completely. You simply don't understand the answers. I explained why in a post the OP himself has marked as answering his question. In short, PvP players don't REALLY want "fair" PvP, and they never have done. They SAY they do, but they don't. They'd much rather not attack players who are ready, prepped, loaded for bear, flagged for PvP and who are just itching for a fight. That's far too risky

Ganking or PK'ing someone who is occupied while building things or doing missions is much more their style. Offline raiding of someone's base is much more their style, too. Sadly for them, they can't do that because rational people will remove their PvP status before logging off. PvP players like to sound as if they're noble and fair-minded mano a mano types, but they'd actually much rather stab someone in the back without any risk to themselves. We've all seen this on every PvP server in every game made in at least the last decade. The threads complaining about "unfair PvP" systems are in every Steam PvP game forum, however you'll never find many, if any at all, praising it. You WILL find threads from PvP players complaining that nobody joins their server any more. I wonder why! 😄

[KingPacha]

Originally posted by Kane:

Where are the real PVP servers, I mean the real ones. Why is there no real PVP in the game?

I activate PVP and have to wait until someone else also activates PVP? Please what? Why are these servers even marked as PVP, that's PVE.

I can only attack players under certain conditions, that has nothing to do with real PVP
I can't attack players' bases, why do you even need walls in the game, or base defenses?

Why do we have countless PVE servers and not a single, NOT a single real PVP server?

i agree we need more pvp zones where we can collect loot and fight over it. or at least show the people that pick up the cortex on the map. ive been fighting in the GvG zone but its pointless and just for fun.

[[livE]Unknown_Genius]

Wait...
so..
I've chosen a PvE server because I don't like PvP and could've just joined a PvP server as well as you need to toggle it?
I thought such toggle options are usually specifically for PvE servers in games (usually MMOs) in case someone does want to play PvP, at least that's how I remember pvp toggles to function in other games...
Why even have "PvP" servers if it's not PvP?

[bliznots]

Originally posted by Kane:

Where are the real PVP servers, I mean the real ones. Why is there no real PVP in the game?

I activate PVP and have to wait until someone else also activates PVP? Please what? Why are these servers even marked as PVP, that's PVE.

I can only attack players under certain conditions, that has nothing to do with real PVP
I can't attack players' bases, why do you even need walls in the game, or base defenses?

Why do we have countless PVE servers and not a single, NOT a single real PVP server?

Any reason you just said the same thing on repeat?

[-=EDF=- Kouta Seto]

Originally posted by EvilHare:

It was the community that demanded the changes in PvP.

No one wants to play an MMO while looking over their shoulder.

Tell that to the Tarkov playerbase XD

That out the way, yea good thing PVP was put into place finaly by someone! PVP aint a MAINSTREAM thing! You think COD and Fortfail have large playerbases? they are roughtly about 1 mill each AT MOST, given FF XIV, a near pure PVE experience, has 14 MILLION PEOPLE ON THE REGULAR (nowday's i would see 20 mill... thats just how crowded and popular this game is). PVP being needed and all? Not realy. Nearly all MMO's could go without and still have a larger playerbase than ♥♥♥♥♥♥ shooter that favor PAYING IDIOTS

[Tachyon]

Originally posted by livEUnknown_Genius:

...Why even have "PvP" servers if it's not PvP?

Because the Devs went out on a limb, probably against their better judgement, and trusted what PvP players said about the huge popularity of PvP, and how much they wanted it as a feature in this game. Amusingly, all you get when you look for PvP players in this game is crickets and tumbleweeds, which is especially hilarious given all the crap PvP players spout about how great PvP is. 😂😂😂 Consensual PvP on a level playing field is the exact opposite of what they really want. Straight up mano-a-mano is FAR too risky for them.

[AFC_HIGHBURY]

Originally posted by -=EDF=- Kouta Seto:

Originally posted by EvilHare:

It was the community that demanded the changes in PvP.

No one wants to play an MMO while looking over their shoulder.

Tell that to the Tarkov playerbase XD

That out the way, yea good thing PVP was put into place finaly by someone! PVP aint a MAINSTREAM thing! You think COD and Fortfail have large playerbases? they are roughtly about 1 mill each AT MOST, given FF XIV, a near pure PVE experience, has 14 MILLION PEOPLE ON THE REGULAR (nowday's i would see 20 mill... thats just how crowded and popular this game is). PVP being needed and all? Not realy. Nearly all MMO's could go without and still have a larger playerbase than ♥♥♥♥♥♥ shooter that favor PAYING IDIOTS

Eh that's not accurate atall, you also have to take into account how many decent PvP games there are in different genres. Apex last year alone had more than 14 mill, look at steam charts PvP takes up most the top 10. Just because a mmo hasn't managed to do it right doesn't mean PvP isn't mainstream lol

[BurlsoL]

Originally posted by SwiftKD:

Originally posted by EvilHare:

It was the community that demanded the changes in PvP.

No one wants to play an MMO while looking over their shoulder.

There is no actual end game its the same community who is crying about no wipes. How boring would that be the game currently only has like 60-100 hours of gameplay and that is not bad at all for a f2p game but what are these people doing in PVE servers just standing around there base doing nothing because holy hell there is nothing end game.

Monoliths, base building, base defense, recipe hunting, deviant hunting, looting and hoarding, weekly events, timed community events, season tasks, commissions, battlepass, gear optimization, fishing, minigames... Yep... Totally no endgame content to speak of.

Open, unrestricted PvP however would just make the game horrible with how weapons have some amount of auto-aim and higher tier weapons can kill lower level players in 1-2 hits. As is tradition with those kinds of PvP rules, there would be higher tier players just running around killing newbies as soon as they spawn, breaking any homes they see in the beginning area, and generally turn their own server into a toxic ghost-town. While this might be fun for the handful of players who live to bully others, this would just be bad for a company that wants to make money or foster a player-base that isn't a bunch of sweaty basement dwellers.

[EvilHare]

Originally posted by -=EDF=- Kouta Seto:

Originally posted by EvilHare:

It was the community that demanded the changes in PvP.

No one wants to play an MMO while looking over their shoulder.

Tell that to the Tarkov playerbase XD

That out the way, yea good thing PVP was put into place finaly by someone! PVP aint a MAINSTREAM thing! You think COD and Fortfail have large playerbases? they are roughtly about 1 mill each AT MOST, given FF XIV, a near pure PVE experience, has 14 MILLION PEOPLE ON THE REGULAR (nowday's i would see 20 mill... thats just how crowded and popular this game is). PVP being needed and all? Not realy. Nearly all MMO's could go without and still have a larger playerbase than ♥♥♥♥♥♥ shooter that favor PAYING IDIOTS

Read what I said slower. My post is against PvP in MMOs

[EvilHare]

Originally posted by BurlsoL:

Originally posted by SwiftKD:

There is no actual end game its the same community who is crying about no wipes. How boring would that be the game currently only has like 60-100 hours of gameplay and that is not bad at all for a f2p game but what are these people doing in PVE servers just standing around there base doing nothing because holy hell there is nothing end game.

Monoliths, base building, base defense, recipe hunting, deviant hunting, looting and hoarding, weekly events, timed community events, season tasks, commissions, battlepass, gear optimization, fishing, minigames... Yep... Totally no endgame content to speak of.

Notice their 87 hours? Oh? 88 now. But no content.

Update 89, they playing now lol

[ChoppSueyy]

Originally posted by EvilHare:

It was the community that demanded the changes in PvP.

No one wants to play an MMO while looking over their shoulder.

Good thing they have PVE servers. Rust is an old ass game that has full loot PVP and is still going strong with a large player base. Once human took A LOT of "creative inspiration" from Rust. Hell the rain water collectors are a 1 for 1 exact replication. There's space in this game for separate & proper PVP servers.

The flagging for pvp is not pvp. It auto turns off after about 30-60 seconds. It's a hassle and prevents you from ever finding anyone flagged. First 10 hours on launch, on a pvp server there was ZERO pvp because of this. Usually the first 10 hours of a fresh wipe are absolute chaos and super fun on pvp servers.

[BREAK]

I only play on a PVE server on this game. So you are telling me that the PVP servers have a "Passive Mode" à la GTAV? It is no wonder the last time I checked there were 3x the amount of PVE servers as PVP.