Server Wipes will Kill this Game.

[Ardven]

I don't care if you keep some stuff and lose some stuff, this game will not survive in the long run like this.
Most people who play it don't even know this game has wipes.

Progress Wipe does not make sense on PVE Servers, on PVP servers i can see it make sense otherwise No.

A lot of people seem to compare this game to other genres on purpose to mislead others but let's not kid ourselves this a Live Service MMO.

-Rust is a PVP only game not a Live Service MMO with Dungeons, Bosses, Events, RPG Mechanics or any PVE content, it's pure PVP and not much fun it's full of cheaters.
-ARK and Conan are Offline Co-op games with optional servers and Private Servers.
-Tarkov is a PVP Shooter why even bring it up?! another cheater haven game.
Path of Exile and Diablo 4 are APRGs this game is not.
For some reason people also mention Cycle Frontier?!
Which got Shut Down last year, yeah a dead game is not a good example to use.

Using any of these games in your argument makes no sense because i can randomly choose a game as well from any other genre to feed my argument but that would not make sense now does it?!
Oh, it's not a full wipe? no one cares even if it was just levels it would still be bad.

Devs need rethink this, they said they are open to feedback which means they themselves are still not sure about it yet, so please make some noise, don't let this game die.
You have a gem of a game in your hands, don't throw it away.

I love this game, i spent money on it because i know the devs deserve it,
and i'm willing to spend another 100 dollars but not with server wipes.


-Please keep it Civil, be kind, this is a Feedback Thread, be respectful.

EDIT: after playing the game for 2 seasons and spending over 200 dollars i completely gave up on the game not because of resets alone but because of another very big issue this game has which is SERVER STRUCTURE, one of the worst i have seen in an online game.

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Eragor:

Server Wipes will Kill this Game.

Top 3 selling game on Steam by REVENUE. Looks like OP has failed. Peep's are loving the new cosmetics and season pass.

https://store.steampowered.com/charts/topselling/US

[ShiroN3K0]

Holy ♥♥♥♥ this thread is still alive?

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Eminem:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Eragor:

Server Wipes will Kill this Game.

Top 3 selling game on Steam by REVENUE. Looks like OP has failed. Peep's are loving the new cosmetics and season pass.

https://store.steampowered.com/charts/topselling/US

Actually Steam Deck is #2 slot so in actuality Once Human is the #2 overall software game for revenue. Cha Ching for Once Human Devs!! Well done!

[Wozherd$🐧]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Gyson:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย LostME:

As I already wrote, by repeatedly looting chests you get parts of blueprints for upgrading gear as well as new starchrome from seasonal tasks. Oh and new controllers to farm perfect mods. Plus new content will be released soon, and living people go to new servers while those who left the game remain in eternalend. This is much more convenient than adding dozens of new levels so that in the end you have a billion dps as well as merging servers, since they are mostly at different stages of the season.

You're not giving a reason, you're just explaining how things currently work because everything was designed around seasonal wipes. It's not like there isn't any other possible way for players to get blueprints other than progression resets. Those chests, for example, could have a 6 week respawn timer in a persistent environment and accomplish the same thing. They can introduce comparable ways to get starchrom and controllers over time.

I frequently see these suggestions that without resetting progression everything would fall apart and they're just nonsense. I don't think anyone ever thought it would just be a matter of removing wipes from the game and calling the design done. Obviously elements of the design would need to change. The developers have already acknowledged this when discussing the possibility of removing wipes, so why this is even up for debate still is beyond me.

Have they explicitly said it's possible to remove wipes outright? There can be both types, diablo 4 is the one example i am halfway familiar with and isn't having a civil war over servers. 100% would come back from my alternative game (Earth: Revival) to vibe check if that happens and how the community is feeling.

Something else been on my mind for a while, If this was a purely mobile exclusive game and wasn't streamer hyped to the stars, i bet there'd be a shift from complaints about wipes over to the focus on server issues and data scraping.

[Adam__86]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Eminem:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Eragor:

Server Wipes will Kill this Game.

Top 3 selling game on Steam by REVENUE. Looks like OP has failed. Peep's are loving the new cosmetics and season pass.

https://store.steampowered.com/charts/topselling/US

It lost 50% of the players in 2 months bruh

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Adam__86:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Eminem:

Top 3 selling game on Steam by REVENUE. Looks like OP has failed. Peep's are loving the new cosmetics and season pass.

https://store.steampowered.com/charts/topselling/US

It lost 50% of the players in 2 months bruh

no one cares about player counts. Revenue Cash is what pays the bills.

It's like noobs who point out, omfg xxx game is top seller, leaving out the bargain basement steam sale -----> soon to be Star Wars Outlaws in a few months, lol

[Adam__86]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Eminem:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Eminem:

Top 3 selling game on Steam by REVENUE. Looks like OP has failed. Peep's are loving the new cosmetics and season pass.

https://store.steampowered.com/charts/topselling/US

Actually Steam Deck is #2 slot so in actuality Once Human is the #2 overall software game for revenue. Cha Ching for Once Human Devs!! Well done!

Free game with expensive MTX and lootboxes makes money, news at 10! This doesn't help the players

[Adam__86]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Eminem:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Adam__86:

It lost 50% of the players in 2 months bruh

no one cares about player counts. Revenue Cash is what pays the bills.

It's like noobs who point out, omfg xxx game is top seller, leaving out the bargain basement steam sale -----> soon to be Star Wars Outlaws in a few months, lol

You are not a shareholder. If servers lack players the game doesn't function

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Adam__86:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Eminem:

no one cares about player counts. Revenue Cash is what pays the bills.

It's like noobs who point out, omfg xxx game is top seller, leaving out the bargain basement steam sale -----> soon to be Star Wars Outlaws in a few months, lol

You are not a shareholder. If servers lack players the game doesn't function

u mad bro?

[Adam__86]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Eminem:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Adam__86:

You are not a shareholder. If servers lack players the game doesn't function

u mad bro?

No, just baffled to see fans defending something that is driving people away and ultimately end in service shutdown

[PERRO LOCO]

excelent

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Adam__86:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Eminem:

Actually Steam Deck is #2 slot so in actuality Once Human is the #2 overall software game for revenue. Cha Ching for Once Human Devs!! Well done!

Free game with expensive MTX and lootboxes makes money, news at 10! This doesn't help the players

if only your favorite game, Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League had 10x more cosmetic ingame purchases they may have earned a profit, amirite?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpr0A90p9Hw&ab_channel=YongYea

[Gyson]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Wozherd$:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Gyson:

You're not giving a reason, you're just explaining how things currently work because everything was designed around seasonal wipes. It's not like there isn't any other possible way for players to get blueprints other than progression resets. Those chests, for example, could have a 6 week respawn timer in a persistent environment and accomplish the same thing. They can introduce comparable ways to get starchrom and controllers over time.

I frequently see these suggestions that without resetting progression everything would fall apart and they're just nonsense. I don't think anyone ever thought it would just be a matter of removing wipes from the game and calling the design done. Obviously elements of the design would need to change. The developers have already acknowledged this when discussing the possibility of removing wipes, so why this is even up for debate still is beyond me.

Have they explicitly said it's possible to remove wipes outright? There can be both types, diablo 4 is the one example i am halfway familiar with and isn't having a civil war over servers. 100% would come back from my alternative game (Earth: Revival) to vibe check if that happens and how the community is feeling.

Something else been on my mind for a while, If this was a purely mobile exclusive game and wasn't streamer hyped to the stars, i bet there'd be a shift from complaints about wipes over to the focus on server issues and data scraping.

When the initial backlash was occurring following launch they said on the live stream that they had an emergency meeting with their lead designer about the wipes. They said they were prepared to act if enough players were leaving over the resets, but that removing wipes would not be as simple as throwing a switch, that it would require a lot of design changes. Which should be obvious to everyone - much of the game is tuned around the wipes, from character advancement speed to acquiring resources like blueprints. All of that would need to be reworked.

They have said multiple times now that they're working on a "year round" scenario, although what that means exactly and whether it is a permanent server remains to be seen. And we have no idea when or if it will ever materialize.

[Adam__86]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Eminem:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Adam__86:

Free game with expensive MTX and lootboxes makes money, news at 10! This doesn't help the players

if only your favorite game, Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League had 10x more cosmetic ingame purchases they may have earned a profit, amirite?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpr0A90p9Hw&ab_channel=YongYea

Don't know why you think I play that

[toxic anti woke gamer.]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Adam__86:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Eminem:

u mad bro?

No, just baffled to see fans defending something that is driving people away and ultimately end in service shutdown

If they're making money (which they clearly are) they have no reason to shutdown. There's also a mobile version on the way, I think the base will be fine.