Whats NOT free?

[Kainite]

I played the Demo and i was surprised how good it was. Had a great time playing for 2 days and it left me excited for the finale product. Here is the rub - i don't trust free games! Free games always seem to be the most expensive "if you want to have fun and not grind". So whats NOT free? I don't mind cosmetics - i understand a free game has to make money. Is there pay to win? Is there broken mechanics that make you buy a fix to be fun? Super excited to play the finished product but ive been burned way to many times by "free games".

EDIT:

I found a great video that answered most of my questions - worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R16w5JD0njk

[H3llF!r3]

i heard end game is very p2w (pvp)

[Keldar]

Death. It costs your life.

[DEDloc_©]

Cosmetics aren't free. There is no pay 2 win.

[Muisteloinen]

Store page you can see 2 real money stuff, one is skins, but what is that other... That can be pay to win.

[DEDloc_©]

Originally posted by Muisteloinen:

Store page you can see 2 real money stuff, one is skins, but what is that other... That can be pay to win.

Wtf are you even talking about? LOL...please link any pay to win here.

[Spud32]

This game is not P2W with a few caveats and is almost entirely cosmetic only. The 2 P2W mechanics will not effect you or progress in any way unless you are a very competitive PvP player. It currently has no gating of your progress in any way to get you to spend money.

[Spud32]

Originally posted by Muisteloinen:

Store page you can see 2 real money stuff, one is skins, but what is that other... That can be pay to win.

If you are referring to purchasable in game currencies, The two that you can pay for are Crystgin and something like Matsiko Marks. The crystgin is for the non seasonal cosmetics shop, the matsiko marks are for the seasonal cosmetic shop.

[General Manager of Awesome]

Originally posted by Kainite:

I played the Demo and i was surprised how good it was. Had a great time playing for 2 days and it left me excited for the finale product. Here is the rub - i don't trust free games! Free games always seem to be the most expensive "if you want to have fun and not grind". So whats NOT free? I don't mind cosmetics - i understand a free game has to make money. Is there pay to win? Is there broken mechanics that make you buy a fix to be fun? Super excited to play the finished product but ive been burned way to many times by "free games".

So far most of the Cosmetics are not Free, also there's a Gacha System in the Endgame/Season. Although (as far as we could see in the Betas) the currency for that was not purchasable.

So as far as we know there is no direct way to Pay for Power, directly or through currency exchange shenanigans, right now. That could of course still change down the road.

That is for the PvE side of the Game, PvP Players may see this different.

[Gyson]

Originally posted by DEDloc_©:

Cosmetics aren't free. There is no pay 2 win.

I don't want to get into a debate about what is considered Pay-to-win. If you can pay for an advantage then that's a pay-to-win mechanic.

The battlepass (both the free one and paid reward track) provide keys (a game currency) which you can use to purchase in-game supplies. There is also a paid Premium option that boosts you through the reward track, providing you with those keys more quickly.

Being able to obtain in-game supplies through the spending of real money is being able to pay for an advantage. Those supplies are not a huge deal, but they are a huge deal in the sense that they show us that the developers have different ideas about what "pay to win" means to them versus what it means to gamers. This is the type of nonsense where a developer will argue that using USD to purchase an in-game weapon = pay to win, but using USD to buy an in-game currency which is then used to buy an in-game weapon is somehow not pay to win.

These are also the developers that swore they hated pay to win, and that they would sooner quit their job than add it to their game. And yet already they're quite comfortably dipping their toes into the pay-to-win pool. It will only get worse from here.

[DEDloc_©]

Originally posted by Gyson:

Originally posted by DEDloc_©:

Cosmetics aren't free. There is no pay 2 win.

I don't want to get into a debate about what is considered Pay-to-win. If you can pay for an advantage then that's a pay-to-win mechanic.

The battlepass (both the free one and paid reward track) provide keys (a game currency) which you can use to purchase in-game supplies. There is also a paid Premium option that boosts you through the reward track, providing you with those keys more quickly.

Being able to obtain in-game supplies through the spending of real money is being able to pay for an advantage. Those supplies are not a huge deal, but they are a huge deal in the sense that they show us that the developers have different ideas about what "pay to win" means to them versus what it means to gamers. This is the type of nonsense where a developer will argue that using USD to purchase an in-game weapon = pay to win, but using USD to buy an in-game currency which is then used to buy an in-game weapon is somehow not pay to win.

These are also the developers that swore they hated pay to win, and that they would sooner quit than add it to their game. And yet already they're quite comfortably dipping their toes into the pay-to-win pool.

You clearly didn't play any of the tests or betas. You can't purchase weapons in the shop and geting early starchrom is NOT a guarantee that you'll get anything worth using. Starchrom is easy to get and if you join a warband you'll probably never even have to grind for any. Just show up for group purification.

[Muisteloinen]

Originally posted by DEDloc_©:

Originally posted by Muisteloinen:

Store page you can see 2 real money stuff, one is skins, but what is that other... That can be pay to win.

Wtf are you even talking about? LOL...please link any pay to win here.

You cannot read? This is this game steam store page. "Contents
Contains interactive elements
In-game purchases, Random in-game purchases, " ... In-game purchases, Random in-game purchases... So in-game purchases is skins, and what is this "Random in-game purchases?

[Gyson]

Originally posted by DEDloc_©:

You clearly didn't play any of the tests or betas. You can't purchase weapons in the shop and geting early starchrom is NOT a guarantee that you'll get anything worth using. Starchrom is easy to get and if you join a warband you'll probably never even have to grind for any. Just show up for group purification.

I played all the tests. I did not say you can purchase weapons. You might try reading and comprehending what I actually said before springing into reply mode.

[DEDloc_©]

Originally posted by Muisteloinen:

Originally posted by DEDloc_©:

Wtf are you even talking about? LOL...please link any pay to win here.

You cannot read? This is this game steam store page. "Contents
Contains interactive elements
In-game purchases, Random in-game purchases, " ... In-game purchases, Random in-game purchases... So in-game purchases is skins, and what is this "Random in-game purchases?

Apparently you're the one having trouble reading. Please link to where I can buy a gun in-game LOL

[Spud32]

Originally posted by DEDloc_©:

You clearly didn't play any of the tests or betas. You can't purchase weapons in the shop and geting early starchrom is NOT a guarantee that you'll get anything worth using. Starchrom is easy to get and if you join a warband you'll probably never even have to grind for any. Just show up for group purification.

Starchrom was one of the most restrictive currencies in all the betas/demos. You can only purify a limited amount per week. I think it was 40 cortex off the top of my head. It doesn't matter if you do this solo or as part of a group.

[DEDloc_©]

Originally posted by Gyson:

Originally posted by DEDloc_©:

You clearly didn't play any of the tests or betas. You can't purchase weapons in the shop and geting early starchrom is NOT a guarantee that you'll get anything worth using. Starchrom is easy to get and if you join a warband you'll probably never even have to grind for any. Just show up for group purification.

I played all the tests. I did not say you can purchase weapons. You might try reading and comprehending what I actually said before springing into reply mode.

So what part is pay to win then?