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Once Human

Frost Jul 7, 2024 @ 3:24pm
cash shop
the cash shop and cosmetics look amazing here take my money there is nothing pay to win there even the battle pass is pay for cosmetics and all the p2w battle pass is free to everyone and everything on the battle PASS is play to win
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Spud32 Jul 7, 2024 @ 6:47pm 
Mostly yes. the latest first look videos from the past 24 hours or so do tend to indicate they have mostly stuck to their word. They are still running on the chinese release edition so will have to confirm there are no changes in the rest of the world edition on release. They do appear to have removed the extra carry weight and adrenaline shots which used to be purchasable in the chinese edition. A definite positive step forward.

On the face of it there are only 2 advantages that you can buy, one is an upgraded outpost which gives advanced crafting and deconstruction options. Hopefully no more of an advantage than doing so at your main base. And second which will most likely become a bone of contention for some, is the ability to purchase a 15 level head start on the battle pass. The free battle pass has materials on it, including starchrom. You cannot gain any extra materials or starchrom by paying but you can get this faster. This means you will be able to get better guns/armour faster by paying. It appears to be the only kind of pay to win mechanic in the game.
Last edited by Spud32; Jul 7, 2024 @ 6:49pm
Yhtill Jul 8, 2024 @ 2:07am 
Originally posted by Spud32:
. And second which will most likely become a bone of contention for some, is the ability to purchase a 15 level head start on the battle pass. The free battle pass has materials on it, including starchrom. You cannot gain any extra materials or starchrom by paying but you can get this faster. This means you will be able to get better guns/armour faster by paying. It appears to be the only kind of pay to win mechanic in the game.

I had not considered this but you are correct in assuming that some people will see this as an advantage. I did see some folks mumbling complaints about the 'silver keys' being able to buy the random loot crates for 30 keys (crates which give a couple of activators, some gunpowder and a few other minor items). I think you can buy 3 or 4 crates total if you spent all the keys on those and some people are considering this as the devs breaking their word (no P2W) because there is a grenade and a molotov in the crates as well.

Can never please everyone is the general rule. I was honestly shocked at how much starcrom and stardust source is given away with the free/no pay battlepass and how they kept entirely (other than the potential 3 or 4 silver key chests) to cosmetics for the premium.
inaliFTW Jul 8, 2024 @ 2:12am 
Pay to progress is the same thing as pay to win. It being different is a fallacy.
Spud32 Jul 8, 2024 @ 3:22am 
Originally posted by Yhtill:
Originally posted by Spud32:
. And second which will most likely become a bone of contention for some, is the ability to purchase a 15 level head start on the battle pass. The free battle pass has materials on it, including starchrom. You cannot gain any extra materials or starchrom by paying but you can get this faster. This means you will be able to get better guns/armour faster by paying. It appears to be the only kind of pay to win mechanic in the game.

I had not considered this but you are correct in assuming that some people will see this as an advantage. I did see some folks mumbling complaints about the 'silver keys' being able to buy the random loot crates for 30 keys (crates which give a couple of activators, some gunpowder and a few other minor items). I think you can buy 3 or 4 crates total if you spent all the keys on those and some people are considering this as the devs breaking their word (no P2W) because there is a grenade and a molotov in the crates as well.

Can never please everyone is the general rule. I was honestly shocked at how much starcrom and stardust source is given away with the free/no pay battlepass and how they kept entirely (other than the potential 3 or 4 silver key chests) to cosmetics for the premium.
I didn't include the loot crate as I saw it as minor materials only, but yes also the inclusion of limited quantity but purchasable grenades/molotovs is another pay to win mechanic for PvP players, How much difference it makes in this game with opt in PvP and limited PvP events in the first week is arguable, but I can definitely see some being against the principle of it.
Yhtill Jul 8, 2024 @ 3:49am 
I suspect that the silver key shop will have more items in it but time will tell. Sort of an added bonus cosmetic line for the premium BP purchasers.

Time will tell how quickly the BP levels raise, but since most actions of any sort, crafting (although not cooking), killing mobs, harvesting ore and trees advances it, I think most of free BP players wont be too disappointed.
Spud32 Jul 8, 2024 @ 4:02am 
Originally posted by Yhtill:
I suspect that the silver key shop will have more items in it but time will tell. Sort of an added bonus cosmetic line for the premium BP purchasers.

Time will tell how quickly the BP levels raise, but since most actions of any sort, crafting (although not cooking), killing mobs, harvesting ore and trees advances it, I think most of free BP players wont be too disappointed.
I agree with you on that, I am generally anti P2W in any regard. I don't really play any F2P games at all, I am slightly disappointed that they included this stuff but it is not enough to put me off....yet. Like you said this is mostly likely going to get worse with time.
Sugam Jul 8, 2024 @ 5:39am 
Originally posted by Spud32:
Originally posted by Yhtill:
I suspect that the silver key shop will have more items in it but time will tell. Sort of an added bonus cosmetic line for the premium BP purchasers.

Time will tell how quickly the BP levels raise, but since most actions of any sort, crafting (although not cooking), killing mobs, harvesting ore and trees advances it, I think most of free BP players wont be too disappointed.
I agree with you on that, I am generally anti P2W in any regard. I don't really play any F2P games at all, I am slightly disappointed that they included this stuff but it is not enough to put me off....yet. Like you said this is mostly likely going to get worse with time.

The description for the key is a for a specific cosmetic shop, as described. the advanced battle pass is skipping the first 15 levels of cosmetic unlocks. Anything with cash, has been nothing but cosmetics.

I don't know anything about that advance camp yet but it does not really matter if it gives you a larger selection crafting items/cycling. You fast travel back and forth on the map so I guess you would save yourself...15 seconds of load time (unless your computer is a potato)

But still, simply pay attention and see what they do over the months. Should never blindly trust any of these studios these days.
Last edited by Sugam; Jul 8, 2024 @ 5:44am
Yhtill Jul 8, 2024 @ 6:07am 
Originally posted by Sugam:

The description for the key is a for a specific cosmetic shop

I do not believe Spud32 nor I were arguing for or against the key shop selection. That said, there is a crate in the 'key shop' that might in theory give a minuscule advantage in a PvP scenario for a handful of minutes. I could care less but there are already people grumbling about this (thankfully only a tiny percent of the rabid 'It's P2W!' crowd thus far) that I have seen.

The crates do leave some room for future possibilities for more potentially aggressive P2W options, imo. Being on the more moderate side of the tin foil hat brigade (the Chicken Little's of the world NOT screaming that 'the sky is falling') I do wonder why, if these crate items were to be a forever static value, they would have them in the first place. They add so little (Chicken Little, even) as to make them negligible unless they are placeholders for the future.
Spud32 Jul 8, 2024 @ 6:29am 
Originally posted by Sugam:
Originally posted by Spud32:
I agree with you on that, I am generally anti P2W in any regard. I don't really play any F2P games at all, I am slightly disappointed that they included this stuff but it is not enough to put me off....yet. Like you said this is mostly likely going to get worse with time.

The description for the key is a for a specific cosmetic shop, as described. the advanced battle pass is skipping the first 15 levels of cosmetic unlocks. Anything with cash, has been nothing but cosmetics.

I don't know anything about that advance camp yet but it does not really matter if it gives you a larger selection crafting items/cycling. You fast travel back and forth on the map so I guess you would save yourself...15 seconds of load time (unless your computer is a potato)

But still, simply pay attention and see what they do over the months. Should never blindly trust any of these studios these days.
Can you please explain the point of your post? I have no idea what you are getting at, my original post states in a mostly neutral manner only facts. You are telling me to pay attention over the months. This is literally what I said I will be doing in the post you replied to.

You are incorrect about everything that can be paid for being cosmetic only. That is a fact, I am not telling you it is a good or bad thing. I am only pointing it out and letting you make up your own mind. The cosmetic key that paid players get more of can be used to open a chest that contains molotovs and grenades. Paid players can also get guns and armour faster due to the 15 level battle pass head start. These are facts (based on the currently available information), not opinions.
Yhtill Jul 8, 2024 @ 6:35am 
Originally posted by Spud32:
Can you please explain the point of your post? I have no idea what you are getting at, my original post states in a mostly neutral manner only facts. You are telling me to pay attention over the months.

I was slightly puzzled over this as well, Spud32. I tend to believe in the 'good of others' until otherwise proven wrong, so in the end I decided it was just a re-statement of general support of what you had already said.
Sort of 'I agree, we all need to be cautious and I appreciate your insight into the matter.'
Spud32 Jul 8, 2024 @ 6:37am 
Originally posted by Yhtill:
Originally posted by Spud32:
Can you please explain the point of your post? I have no idea what you are getting at, my original post states in a mostly neutral manner only facts. You are telling me to pay attention over the months.

I was slightly puzzled over this as well, Spud32. I tend to believe in the 'good of others' until otherwise proven wrong, so in the end I decided it was just a re-statement of general support of what you had already said.
Sort of 'I agree, we all need to be cautious and I appreciate your insight into the matter.'
Agreed it definitely could have been intended to be this way, Just with the rest of the message I didn't take it that way.
Yhtill Jul 8, 2024 @ 8:11am 
Curious that they pulled the BattlePass video that was up earlier. I assume it's to avoid confusion and people arguing over P2W but still a bit odd. Oh well. Tomorrow will tell.
Spud32 Jul 8, 2024 @ 8:22am 
Originally posted by Yhtill:
Curious that they pulled the BattlePass video that was up earlier. I assume it's to avoid confusion and people arguing over P2W but still a bit odd. Oh well. Tomorrow will tell.
Indeed, maybe the backlash has already started for them.
Yhtill Jul 8, 2024 @ 8:40am 
Originally posted by Spud32:
Originally posted by Yhtill:
Curious that they pulled the BattlePass video that was up earlier. I assume it's to avoid confusion and people arguing over P2W but still a bit odd. Oh well. Tomorrow will tell.
Indeed, maybe the backlash has already started for them.
That is what I was thinking. Or the conversion numbers aren't quite on point or something. The yuan values came up to $23 odd in USD and they are to going to make it $25 or something.
Gyson Jul 8, 2024 @ 8:44am 
Originally posted by Frost:
the cash shop and cosmetics look amazing here take my money there is nothing pay to win there even the battle pass is pay for cosmetics and all the p2w battle pass is free to everyone and everything on the battle PASS is play to win

I don't want to get into a debate about what is considered Pay-to-win. If you can pay for an advantage then that's a pay-to-win mechanic.

The battlepass (both the free one and paid reward track) provide keys (a game currency) which you can use to purchase in-game supplies. There is also a paid Premium option that boosts you through the reward track, providing you with those keys more quickly.

Being able to obtain in-game supplies through the spending of real money is being able to pay for an advantage. Those supplies are not a huge deal, but they are a huge deal in the sense that they show us that the developers have different ideas about what "pay to win" means to them versus what it means to gamers.

This is the type of nonsense where (as an example) a developer will argue that using USD to purchase an in-game weapon = pay to win, but using USD to buy an in-game currency which is then used to buy an in-game weapon is somehow not pay to win.

These are also the developers that swore they hated pay to win, and that they would sooner quit their job than add it to their game. And yet already they're quite comfortably dipping their toes into the pay-to-win pool. It will only get worse from here. They are already testing the waters to see what players will let them get away with.
Last edited by Gyson; Jul 8, 2024 @ 8:44am
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