Why admin rights?

[Uklosk]

Why does the demo need to run as admin on Windows? No game should ever require that, this is a security nightmare.

[Turd Cutter]

Publicado originalmente por Uklosk:

Why does the demo need to run as admin on Windows? No game should ever require that, this is a security nightmare.

umm that is most everything in windows 10+ derp

[fatboy21007]

i never had this issue 0.o odd. im on windows 11

[SilvaBlad3]

Publicado originalmente por Gyson:

Publicado originalmente por SilvaBlad3:

most of my steam game ask for admin rights

Give examples (the more you provide the more likely there is overlap to verify).

Note: If you name 10 gacha games people are going to sigh heavily.

Literally all my modern games except the older games from early 2000’s. So I don’t see why people complaining. Even call of duty ask for admin rights

[gabriele83]

People not understanding that 99% of the software and games should NOT require admin rights are the people who don't understand how computers work and how computer security works.
Giving full admin access randomly to anything means that application can do whatever it wants on your PC, full control, and you don't even have any idea of what's happening in the background, that's how bad it is.

[SilvaBlad3]

Publicado originalmente por gabriele83:

People not understanding that 99% of the software and games should NOT require admin rights are the people who don't understand how computers work and how computer security works.
Giving full admin access randomly to anything means that application can do whatever it wants on your PC, full control, and you don't even have any idea of what's happening in the background, that's how bad it is.

you clearly dont know about computer because giving admin rights does not fully let an application control your computer. Don't say things you don't know if you have no masters degree in the field. You sound so dumb.

Granting administrative rights to a video game doesn’t mean it will have full control over your computer, it only give the game a higher level of access to your system than it would have otherwise to run properly without interference. When you give a program administrative rights, you’re allowing it to make changes to system files, install or uninstall software, and modify settings that affect all users on the computer. This is necessary for some games, especially older ones, because they need to modify certain system files to run correctly.
The only risks you may face is if you downloaded some sketchy game and that sketchy game you download and you’re giving administrative rights to contains malicious software (malware). Which rarely they ever will especially on steam... Malware with administrative rights can do things like install additional harmful software, modify or delete important system files, or change settings to make the system more vulnerable to further attacks. The OS have other precautions built in to prevent that unless you have personally disabled them using a third party antivirus software as some third party software are known to disable important precaution mechanisms of protecting your pc thus making it vulnerable to attacks. Games like these don't come with malware. So there's nothing to be afraid of, If you are scared then i recommend getting "aura". It is a great software and also protects your data and identity from theft, i personally use it and if i download a game and try to start it and that software detects something off with it, it wont let me start that program, then i will further investigate the reason.

[gabriele83]

Publicado originalmente por SilvaBlad3:

Publicado originalmente por gabriele83:

People not understanding that 99% of the software and games should NOT require admin rights are the people who don't understand how computers work and how computer security works.
Giving full admin access randomly to anything means that application can do whatever it wants on your PC, full control, and you don't even have any idea of what's happening in the background, that's how bad it is.

you clearly dont know about computer because giving admin rights does not fully let an application control your computer. Don't say things you don't know if you have no masters degree in the field. You sound so dumb.

Granting administrative rights to a video game doesn’t mean it will have full control over your computer, it only give the game a higher level of access to your system than it would have otherwise to run properly without interference. When you give a program administrative rights, you’re allowing it to make changes to system files, install or uninstall software, and modify settings that affect all users on the computer. This is necessary for some games, especially older ones, because they need to modify certain system files to run correctly.
The only risks you may face is that if the game you’re giving administrative rights to contains malicious software (malware). Which rarely they ever will especially on steam... Malware with administrative rights can do things like install additional harmful software, modify or delete important system files, or change settings to make the system more vulnerable to further attacks. IT will not be able to steal your files, the OS have other precautions built in to prevent that unless you have personally disabled them using a third party antivirus software.

Too bad for you I actually work as a sysadmin.
Administrative rights means exactly administrative rights, that is doing whatever the software wants as administrator user. The top level of access to a computer is admin or root access, that is full control. The only thing you can't do with that is stuff that requires physical access to the computer, but from the software side point of view you can do all you want.
And yes the risk is that you don't know what's happening in the background after you granted admin rights to a software running on your PC.
The rule of thumb of computer security is to always give the least possible rights necessary to complete an action or anyway to configure it so that admin rights wouldn't be needed.
And yes admin access means in the background can do all it wants, modify, copy files, download other executables, modify system behaviour, disable antivirus, really anything because from the very moment you clicked OK to give admin rights to that software you said it's ok for you for that software to run as admin user and perform actions as admin user.
Most malwares work this way, they pose as non malware, but then download the actual malware from somewhere else after having gained root access.
So either you're 10000% sure the software you're giving admin rights is safe, or you're just gambling it, this is valid for anything you download and then click ok to give admin rights.

[SilvaBlad3]

Publicado originalmente por gabriele83:

Publicado originalmente por SilvaBlad3:

you clearly dont know about computer because giving admin rights does not fully let an application control your computer. Don't say things you don't know if you have no masters degree in the field. You sound so dumb.

Granting administrative rights to a video game doesn’t mean it will have full control over your computer, it only give the game a higher level of access to your system than it would have otherwise to run properly without interference. When you give a program administrative rights, you’re allowing it to make changes to system files, install or uninstall software, and modify settings that affect all users on the computer. This is necessary for some games, especially older ones, because they need to modify certain system files to run correctly.
The only risks you may face is that if the game you’re giving administrative rights to contains malicious software (malware). Which rarely they ever will especially on steam... Malware with administrative rights can do things like install additional harmful software, modify or delete important system files, or change settings to make the system more vulnerable to further attacks. IT will not be able to steal your files, the OS have other precautions built in to prevent that unless you have personally disabled them using a third party antivirus software.

Too bad for you I actually work as a sysadmin.
Administrative rights means exactly administrative rights, that is doing whatever the software wants as administrator user. The top level of access to a computer is admin or root access, that is full control. The only thing you can't do with that is stuff that requires physical access to the computer, but from the software side point of view you can do all you want.
And yes the risk is that you don't know what's happening in the background after you granted admin rights to a software running on your PC.
The rule of thumb of computer security is to always give the least possible rights necessary to complete an action or anyway to configure it so that admin rights wouldn't be needed.
And yes admin access means in the background can do all it wants, modify, copy files, download other executables, modify system behaviour, disable antivirus, really anything because from the very moment you clicked OK to give admin rights to that software you said it's ok for you for that software to run as admin user and perform actions as admin user.
Most malwares work this way, they pose as non malware, but then download the actual malware from somewhere else after having gained root access.
So either you're 10000% sure the software you're giving admin rights is safe, or you're just gambling it.

yea i do agree with most of your points. However, I'd like to add a few nuances to the post right... While it's true that granting administrative rights provides a software with a high level of access, it's important to note that the operating system still maintains certain controls. For instance, in Windows, User Account Control (UAC) (recommend putting this on the highest settings, sometimes it comes on the bare minimum) can limit the privileges of software running with administrative rights, requiring explicit permission for certain actions. Similarly, in Unix-like systems, the root user indeed has powerful access, BUT certain actions are still safeguarded by mechanisms like SELinux and AppArmor.

especially modern operating systems like windows 11 nowadays has some good ♥♥♥♥, and have evolved to include features that further protect against unauthorized access, even with administrative rights. Ever heard of VBS? thats what i mean

But as for malware, while it's true that many try to escalate privileges, not all malware requires admin rights to cause harm so yeah i agree with that indeed. Some can operate under standard user accounts, exploiting vulnerabilities in software or tricking users into revealing sensitive information for sure i've seen it alot.

but people will be totally fine with this game, i've been playing it since the first beta.

[gabriele83]

Publicado originalmente por SilvaBlad3:

Publicado originalmente por gabriele83:

Too bad for you I actually work as a sysadmin.
Administrative rights means exactly administrative rights, that is doing whatever the software wants as administrator user. The top level of access to a computer is admin or root access, that is full control. The only thing you can't do with that is stuff that requires physical access to the computer, but from the software side point of view you can do all you want.
And yes the risk is that you don't know what's happening in the background after you granted admin rights to a software running on your PC.
The rule of thumb of computer security is to always give the least possible rights necessary to complete an action or anyway to configure it so that admin rights wouldn't be needed.
And yes admin access means in the background can do all it wants, modify, copy files, download other executables, modify system behaviour, disable antivirus, really anything because from the very moment you clicked OK to give admin rights to that software you said it's ok for you for that software to run as admin user and perform actions as admin user.
Most malwares work this way, they pose as non malware, but then download the actual malware from somewhere else after having gained root access.
So either you're 10000% sure the software you're giving admin rights is safe, or you're just gambling it.

yea i do agree with most of your points. However, I'd like to add a few nuances to the post right... While it's true that granting administrative rights provides a software with a high level of access, it's important to note that the operating system still maintains certain controls. For instance, in Windows, User Account Control (UAC) (recommend putting this on the highest settings, sometimes it comes on the bare minimum) can limit the privileges of software running with administrative rights, requiring explicit permission for certain actions. Similarly, in Unix-like systems, the root user indeed has powerful access, BUT certain actions are still safeguarded by mechanisms like SELinux and AppArmor.

especially modern operating systems like windows 11 nowadays has some good ♥♥♥♥, and have evolved to include features that further protect against unauthorized access, even with administrative rights. Ever heard of VBS? thats what i mean

But as for malware, while it's true that many try to escalate privileges, not all malware requires admin rights to cause harm so yeah i agree with that indeed. Some can operate under standard user accounts, exploiting vulnerabilities in software or tricking users into revealing sensitive information for sure i've seen it alot.

but people will be totally fine with this game, i've been playing it since the first beta.

When you give admin access to an app that app acting as admin can disable UAC and VBS as well (it will require a reboot to be applied though).
While SELinux (I'm a Linux SysAdmin, not Windows) can prevent lot of things, but not all of them, and depends a lot on the way that is configured, sure thing is that SELinux or not if you have root access you can still cause massive damage to the system.
The only thing we have to rely on is that Steam security is high enough to prevent malware, in case that fails we're done for.

[Interl@ce]

The first time you run most steam games the admin elevation is asked to install prerequisites (like DirectX, Visual C+ and .Net redists etc) but from the second launch onward there should be no reason for games to keep demanding admin rights on runtime :/

Has anyone put the game binaries & dll's through Virustotal (or even better, monitor network traffic) just to be sure?

[gabriele83]

Publicado originalmente por Interl@ce:

The first time you run most steam games the admin elevation is asked to install prerequisites (like DirectX, Visual C+ and .Net redists etc) but from the second launch onward there should be no reason for games to keep demanding admin rights on runtime :/

Has anyone put the game binaries & dll's through Virustotal (or even better, monitor network traffic) just to be sure?

Exactly!
I think it totally makes sense to require admin access to install system libraries and drivers such as DirectX, .Net etc), but shouldn't be required after that, but as recently many anti cheat softwares operate on the kernel level, that requires Admin access and I don't think that's good. Now what is the reason this game requires those privileges is not clear if it's the anti-cheat or what, or anyway I haven't had the time to investigate much.
Probably someone should try to check with the tools you said and with process explorer too that is probably better.

[SilvaBlad3]

Publicado originalmente por gabriele83:

Publicado originalmente por SilvaBlad3:

yea i do agree with most of your points. However, I'd like to add a few nuances to the post right... While it's true that granting administrative rights provides a software with a high level of access, it's important to note that the operating system still maintains certain controls. For instance, in Windows, User Account Control (UAC) (recommend putting this on the highest settings, sometimes it comes on the bare minimum) can limit the privileges of software running with administrative rights, requiring explicit permission for certain actions. Similarly, in Unix-like systems, the root user indeed has powerful access, BUT certain actions are still safeguarded by mechanisms like SELinux and AppArmor.

especially modern operating systems like windows 11 nowadays has some good ♥♥♥♥, and have evolved to include features that further protect against unauthorized access, even with administrative rights. Ever heard of VBS? thats what i mean

But as for malware, while it's true that many try to escalate privileges, not all malware requires admin rights to cause harm so yeah i agree with that indeed. Some can operate under standard user accounts, exploiting vulnerabilities in software or tricking users into revealing sensitive information for sure i've seen it alot.

but people will be totally fine with this game, i've been playing it since the first beta.

When you give admin access to an app that app acting as admin can disable UAC and VBS as well (it will require a reboot to be applied though).
While SELinux (I'm a Linux SysAdmin, not Windows) can prevent lot of things, but not all of them, and depends a lot on the way that is configured, sure thing is that SELinux or not if you have root access you can still cause massive damage to the system.
The only thing we have to rely on is that Steam security is high enough to prevent malware, in case that fails we're done for.

oh on linux thats pretty cool, oh yea definitely if all things fail steam is to blame for letting a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ company come on their marketplace. But fingers cross hopefully they stay honest. BUT in my experience the UAC etc has worked fine. Red flag would be after you gave the program admin rights then it later pop up asking again for admin rights privileges for something else haha that time i would be wtf are you trying to do in the background. Then i would deny it rights.

[SilvaBlad3]

Publicado originalmente por Interl@ce:

The first time you run most steam games the admin elevation is asked to install prerequisites (like DirectX, Visual C+ and .Net redists etc) but from the second launch onward there should be no reason for games to keep demanding admin rights on runtime :/

Has anyone put the game binaries & dll's through Virustotal (or even better, monitor network traffic) just to be sure?

yeah that does happens, but i set my pc to always ask me for rights for anything that is opening or trying to make changes. SO for me it ask for rights everytime i click on the exe file to play the game. If it then ask me for rights after i have been playing the game and already have it open, then thats gonna be sketchy

[gabriele83]

Publicado originalmente por SilvaBlad3:

Red flag would be after you gave the program admin rights then it later pop up asking again for admin rights privileges for something else haha that time i would be wtf are you trying to do in the background. Then i would deny it rights.

Most likely you wouldn't get another pop up since you gave already the admin rights to that program, the pop up would appear only if another program is asking for admin rights, but if everything is managed within the program you allowed, then no further pop up should appear.

[Interl@ce]

Publicado originalmente por gabriele83:

Most likely you wouldn't get another pop up since you gave already the admin rights to that program, the pop up would appear only if another program is asking for admin rights, but if everything is managed within the program you allowed, then no further pop up should appear.

From windows 7's UAC all the way op to Win11 the elevation prompt (asking for admin rights) has to be acknowledged every single time-- it's not a "set once and forget" kind of thing.

Even when you check the "always run as administrator" box you'll have to achknowledge. The only exception would be disabling UAC entirely yourself, but then everything could run as admin without you ever knowing.

[SilvaBlad3]

Publicado originalmente por Interl@ce:

Publicado originalmente por gabriele83:

Most likely you wouldn't get another pop up since you gave already the admin rights to that program, the pop up would appear only if another program is asking for admin rights, but if everything is managed within the program you allowed, then no further pop up should appear.

From windows 7's UAC all the way op to Win11 the elevation prompt (asking for admin rights) has to be acknowledged every single time-- it's not a "set once and forget" kind of thing.

Even when you check the "always run as administrator" box you'll have to achknowledge. The only exception would be disabling UAC entirely yourself, but then everything could run as admin without you ever knowing.

yeah thats what i was referring to it will always pop up and ask to do more