FTL: Faster Than Light

FTL: Faster Than Light

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Giga Apr 14, 2014 @ 8:36pm
Get rid of hacking on the Flagship ffs
This goes out to the creator of the game; You need to actually ♥♥♥♥ing reasonable. We get you're a troll, and you don't understand what a proper rouge-like game is, where you make it dickish, but not unwinnable, or just a straight up bully. It went from being dishish in difficulty and beatable, making it a challenge, to 'you're just being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for the sake of being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥', and totally not even worth playing, let alone buying.

I get to the Flagship fight, and...Oh look, NONE OF MY DEFENSES WORK BECAUSE LOL. Super Shields? Mk 2 Defense Drone? Shield Drone? Even Anti Drone Drone....No, no, once it hacks onto my drone bay, or my weapons, or Engines, it's over. nothing stops it from getting on there, because hey, lets give the boss unque weapons that don't have weaknesses. No possability of winning, especially since you're getting hit every other second, and your shields pretty much are non-existant....Oh, no, wait, you have to be lucky as hell and get ONE item in the game, then you can win-- yeah, get the Chain gun that fires once every second, becasue it only spawn 1% of the time anyway. Oh and what's this? Even playing with the AE off, hacking is still in! Yeah, no, nothing says, 'I'm an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who took your money for a game that can't be beat' than lying to your players, and adding in an uncounterable mechanic, ontop of the already ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mechanics you put into this one fight that barely have a counter. GG loser, gg.

Until hacking is removed from the game, I'm going to ask all those on my network to essencially blacklist FTL. You've made ite a money grab for the sake of a money grab at this point, and we consider that preditory. When you decide to make your game unwinable, and basically a cockblock, you cross over from making a game with good difficulty to just cheating players out of their victory.
Last edited by Giga; Apr 14, 2014 @ 8:37pm
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easy, when its launching a hacking drone, you just cloak away
morbosfist Apr 14, 2014 @ 11:34pm 
Originally posted by Turkey Flavoured Chicken:
easy, when its launching a hacking drone, you just cloak away
This does nothing except stall the drone. You cannot dodge a hacking drone, only shoot it down.
Adeptus Stark Apr 14, 2014 @ 11:44pm 
All these whining threads about how the game is too hard are hilarious. Play and learn better tactics or quit.
Sentient_Toaster Apr 15, 2014 @ 1:54am 
Originally posted by Saag Pasta:
So now we are just taunting the one who has a rather dumb issue? In regard to the Crystal B, still need to get that one, is it really that good/worth getting?

Four weapon bays, two drone bays (if/when you get the system, you don't start with one), four-person teleporter and cloak to start with, in addition to having Crystal crew -- which are great for boarding since lockdown lets either beam directly into a weapons room and isolate it to destroy the system in peace before they can break through, or to lock enemies *with* your crystal so they can't flee to a medbay or the like.

The weakness is in the beginning, since you start with no weapons of any kind and your initial augmentation is pretty terrible, and your Crystal are decent but not Mantis-level for boarding. You start out pretty useless against Zoltan-shielded ships or autodrones. But if you can address those weaknesses, your mid/end game can be pretty ridiculous.
Icedfate Apr 15, 2014 @ 2:03am 
people say i suck because i have about 25% win rate on normal, but i've beaten the flagship over a dozen times with the new powers it has.
the hacking is not as bad as you think it is.
if you want to win, you have to plan ahead and make sure you have a way to take out the missile launcher ASAP. then the ion cannon then the beam.
even if the flagship hacks your weapons, theres still enough time in between pulses to get a shot off and if you can take out its weapons then you can win.

you can also hack the hacking room with your own hacking drones and it will remove the drone from the affected system, however, this means the flagship will just attach another one but in a different system, which could be good, you just hack it until it hacks a non critical system like your doors or something.
most times i would prefer not to waste my hacking drone on the hacking room, but if it hacks a critical system like o2 or shields, it is imperative that you hack its hacking room to remove the drone

if you have a teleporter you should be always using the same tactic of teleporting 2 guys into the missile room immediately.

if you have mind control you can mind control the guys in the weapon rooms, but you would need level 3 to make the guy destroy it.

there are many ways to beat the flag ship.

if you have mind control + teleporter, you can kidnap all the guys in there.

defense drones can shoot down hacking drones, but eventually 1 will get through.

the worst things to get hacked imo are your shields or oxygen, it gan drain 50% of your o2 in 1 pulse or completely remove your shields. if either of those happens you are sort of screwed because you then have to find a way to kill it as fast as possible before it kills you.

I myself like to take my time, i do as little damage as possible in the beginning until i can take out the missiles, ion and beam and then i take my time figuring out the best way to kill it's crew, i always leave the guy in the burst laser room alive, as long as i have 3 shield bubbles it can not harm me. and that guy is trapped in the room so if i can kill everyone else then they can not repair and the A.I. won't take over.


if you hate the hacking, your gonna want to break your computer when you get to phase 3 with the mind control...unless of course you have your own mind control device
Last edited by Icedfate; Apr 15, 2014 @ 2:05am
Nebhead Apr 15, 2014 @ 2:32am 
Originally posted by infye:
I had my best start ever except the later parts didn't sell me a hacking station. It hacked my oxygen and after a strong fight I couldn't win. My med bay out sustained the no oxygen, which was funny, trying to live with just three, but it ship raced me good =/.

Wasn't angry. I didn't want to run. Learned to not pass up the system early, haha.

An upgraded, L2 Oxygen System will actually outdo even the strongest Hack attempt (Lv3 Hacking Drone = 10 second disruption).
I've tested this too on Normal with the Flagship's main guns disabled so I could accurately measure it.
The 10 seconds disruption removes 60% of your Ship's Oxygen (assuming it starts from 100%) and a L2 Oxygen system can restore that back up to 100% before the next Hack attempt.

Another reason to upgrade your Oxygen, which I find is crucial in later sectors - if left in it's basic state, a single hit drains your Oxygen, which means you've gotta divert crew members to repair at the worst possible times.

So my advice in that specific scenario? Upgrade your Oxygen and stop being a cheapskate :)
Vulture Apr 15, 2014 @ 3:44am 
Originally posted by Giga:
because hey, lets give the boss unque weapons that don't have weaknesses.
I don't know if anyone else picked up on this but, really? I assume that is meant to say "unique". Apparently the definition of unique has changed because it used to mean one of a kind. So now it means an object that is readily available to yourself and the numerous enemies throughout the game, and, while we're on the subject, a weakness is something you can exploit to win in the case of FTL hence, why myself, the enemies and other players employ the Hacking system to win and can still get obliterated.

The game of FTL is an unforgiving experience, a slight mistep or mistake on your part will get your entire crew killed. But it can be beaten. A lot of people playing I would assume across the entire fleet of ships have won the normal game and the AE content, the devs worked hard to balance all aspects of the game and in my experience of 100 hours of playing I have never thought of the game as unbalanced once. It also helps that anything that can be used against you you can fix as long as you survive or just fix it next time.
Dude5580 Apr 15, 2014 @ 3:51am 
Originally posted by McMax:
Oh my.

In case you're in the mood for some constructive suggestions, keep in mind that if "conventional" ways of countering the hacks fail you (i.e. hacking its hack system, using bomb/missiles to dammage/destroy the hack system ASAP, etc.), you can always just jump away to fight another day. The hack target is reportedly completely random, so it might just hit something less vital the 2nd time around.

You don't lose as soon as the Flagship reaches the base anymore: it needs 3 turns at the base before you lose, so you have much more leeway to flee and come back (and maybe even grab a free repair on the way!).
think it hacks same system every time like if you leave and come back, or i just got unlucky and they targeted my weapons twice
Giga Apr 16, 2014 @ 8:48am 
Originally posted by Saag Pasta:
Originally posted by Giga:
because hey, lets give the boss unque weapons that don't have weaknesses.
I don't know if anyone else picked up on this but, really? I assume that is meant to say "unique". Apparently the definition of unique has changed because it used to mean one of a kind. So now it means an object that is readily available to yourself and the numerous enemies throughout the game, and, while we're on the subject, a weakness is something you can exploit to win in the case of FTL hence, why myself, the enemies and other players employ the Hacking system to win and can still get obliterated.

The game of FTL is an unforgiving experience, a slight mistep or mistake on your part will get your entire crew killed. But it can be beaten. A lot of people playing I would assume across the entire fleet of ships have won the normal game and the AE content, the devs worked hard to balance all aspects of the game and in my experience of 100 hours of playing I have never thought of the game as unbalanced once. It also helps that anything that can be used against you you can fix as long as you survive or just fix it next time.

Yes, because you can get hacking, mind control, and cloak up to rank 4, have four 'artilary weapons' that each have their own unique weapon profile, and seperate charge times/rooms, a drone system that launches 6 to 10 drones at a time, and a Zoltan shield on top of that because lol.....Do tell me, how did you get these readily avalible systems when they have a 0% spawn rate for the player?....Would you like to admit now you cheated them in? And a weakness? HAH. What weakness is there directly relational to each of these systems now? Hacking drones cant' be taken off, and if you don't have hacking yourself you're SOL. Half the weapons the Flag ship have can effectively dodge defense drone shots more than most shots can, which is a buff since I last fought and beat the ship. Mind control, again, cant' be countered save with hacking or mind control.....The only 'weakness' these all have, is either TPing crew in to blow them up, or shooting them....Which the latter you might not even ahve, considering the Flagship as a 50% dodge chance now, ontop of 4 shields.

Personally, I've beaten the orginal FTL multiple times, and enjoyed it; Because it was a proper rouge-like. It was hard, luck was a significant part of it, bu not the deciding factor, and you had to give 100% to win....This...you have to give 200% to win, and from what I've seen, from streams and videos,those that win are doing so by cheating....Because at this point, there's no way to beat it other wise. Mind Control and Hacking totally break the game, and the Flagship goes a step further and breaks those as well. They can shutdown a system completely-- and if it's your weapons, you might as well say GG at that point-- mind control a guy into destroying other systems, for longer than you can, and if you jump away to try and 'fix' these, the game goes 'you lose' and that's it....Rogue likes are about throwing hard challanges and a bit of good and bad luck your way to make an interesting game; They are not about giving you a 'challange' that you can't beat unless you have an absolutely specific setup that breaks the game. That's called poor game design.
Last edited by Giga; Apr 16, 2014 @ 8:52am
Dose Apr 16, 2014 @ 10:00am 
Originally posted by Giga:
Originally posted by McMax:
Oh my.

In case you're in the mood for some constructive suggestions, keep in mind that if "conventional" ways of countering the hacks fail you (i.e. hacking its hack system, using bomb/missiles to dammage/destroy the hack system ASAP, etc.), you can always just jump away to fight another day. The hack target is reportedly completely random, so it might just hit something less vital the 2nd time around.

You don't lose as soon as the Flagship reaches the base anymore: it needs 3 turns at the base before you lose, so you have much more leeway to flee and come back (and maybe even grab a free repair on the way!).

If you jump away, you lose....GJ on that logic. And yes, I know; I've beaten the flag ship on original at least ten times now, because back then, it was beatable. '


Originally posted by Saag Pasta:
Why not turn off the advanced edition content and even if your unwilling to perform that task I personally find the hacking drone to be one of the least problematic parts of the Flagship especially if as McMax said "hacking it's hack system". Also calling it a money grab when reffering to free content as the base of the complaint is just stupid...

Yeeeeeeah...I'd just like to point out the stupidity of the people claiming I'm bad, on top of this guys; None of you even read the post beyond the second line, did you? Even when I turn off AE, the flag ship STILL has AE content :O So again, gj on your logic check there. And I'm not saying adding free content is a money grab; I'm saying changing the difficulty so that the game is nay-unwinnable, save with parts that only spawn 1% of the time any way, took it from being a legit game to a cash grab.



Originally posted by Refusenik:
Defense Drone mkII is suboptimal for flagship, defense drone mk I is superior. >_>

Shield drone is bad too.

And anti drone drone isn't good either.

Baddie McBadderson.

4 shields with Defense drone mk 1, mk 2, anti drone, and anti-ship mk 2, along with a 50% dodge chance and mine control....My ship lasted less than five rounds due to hacking, since I couldn't attack anything, and all my defenses might as well not have existed....Nothing says 'GREAT BOSS FIGHT, TOTALLY ABOUT SKILL' than taking away all control from a player, and making them sit there an watch as you rip their ship apart.

And I love how many swelled heads come in here, claiming to know how to beat this, how amazing they are and how bad everyone else is....Guess what, NO ONE CARES....If you'd take a look at the rest of the forums, most everyone else AGREES that AE broke the fking game, as does most of the reviewing community. So what if you beat it? You could have easily save scummed, cheated your way up, or got that 1% drop that makes the game so easy that there's next to no way for you to lose. Stop acting like you guys did something amazing; This game is 90% about luck, and even the creator admitted it. So please, take your epen out of here, and get a nice dose of reality; your victories had nothing to do with you, or your skill.
Oh boy, rant mode activated.
1: "If you jump away, you lose"? I don't understand this. Unless the Flagship only has one more turn to destroy the base, you're free to jump away and try again. It's not like you're honor-bound to never run away; this isn't Honor Simulator 2014. And I don't understand why you don't believe the Flagship is beatable; one random component does not make the Flagship impossible to beat.
2: "Cash grab"? IT'S TEN DOLLARS. TEN. DOLLARS. This isn't a game like Total War: Rome II, where they release an unfinished product for $60 and add on more expensive pointless expansions; this is FTL, where they put out an already finished game and later add on a free expansion pack with tons of new content. If $10 means that much to you, you may want to focus on your economic situation instead.
3: I fail to see how a hacking module could have landed on your ship in the first place if all three defensive drones were active; even with Missiles and other variables, the defense should have been enough to prevent a hack. And besides, as said before, why not just jump away? Unless it had been one turn away from destruction, the Federation Base would have been fine if you had just jumped away. That way, you wouldn't have to "sit there an watch".
Furthermore, you act as if luck is the only important component whatsoever. This statement cannot be further from the truth. Skill plays a very important role in your gameplay; whether disabling shields at just the right time to avoid them being ioned (and consequently completely down), moving your boarding crew in just the right way to avoid unnecessary deaths, or firing your weapons in a way that makes it so that you can do as much damage as possible in a single burst. Contrary to (un)popular belief, many players play the game legitimately, rather than save scumming (which, incidentally, is rather useless) or cheating.

Originally posted by Giga:
Originally posted by Saag Pasta:
I don't know if anyone else picked up on this but, really? I assume that is meant to say "unique". Apparently the definition of unique has changed because it used to mean one of a kind. So now it means an object that is readily available to yourself and the numerous enemies throughout the game, and, while we're on the subject, a weakness is something you can exploit to win in the case of FTL hence, why myself, the enemies and other players employ the Hacking system to win and can still get obliterated.

The game of FTL is an unforgiving experience, a slight mistep or mistake on your part will get your entire crew killed. But it can be beaten. A lot of people playing I would assume across the entire fleet of ships have won the normal game and the AE content, the devs worked hard to balance all aspects of the game and in my experience of 100 hours of playing I have never thought of the game as unbalanced once. It also helps that anything that can be used against you you can fix as long as you survive or just fix it next time.

Yes, because you can get hacking, mind control, and cloak up to rank 4, have four 'artilary weapons' that each have their own unique weapon profile, and seperate charge times/rooms, a drone system that launches 6 to 10 drones at a time, and a Zoltan shield on top of that because lol.....Do tell me, how did you get these readily avalible systems when they have a 0% spawn rate for the player?....Would you like to admit now you cheated them in? And a weakness? HAH. What weakness is there directly relational to each of these systems now? Hacking drones cant' be taken off, and if you don't have hacking yourself you're SOL. Half the weapons the Flag ship have can effectively dodge defense drone shots more than most shots can, which is a buff since I last fought and beat the ship. Mind control, again, cant' be countered save with hacking or mind control.....The only 'weakness' these all have, is either TPing crew in to blow them up, or shooting them....Which the latter you might not even ahve, considering the Flagship as a 50% dodge chance now, ontop of 4 shields.

Personally, I've beaten the orginal FTL multiple times, and enjoyed it; Because it was a proper rouge-like. It was hard, luck was a significant part of it, bu not the deciding factor, and you had to give 100% to win....This...you have to give 200% to win, and from what I've seen, from streams and videos,those that win are doing so by cheating....Because at this point, there's no way to beat it other wise. Mind Control and Hacking totally break the game, and the Flagship goes a step further and breaks those as well. They can shutdown a system completely-- and if it's your weapons, you might as well say GG at that point-- mind control a guy into destroying other systems, for longer than you can, and if you jump away to try and 'fix' these, the game goes 'you lose' and that's it....Rogue likes are about throwing hard challanges and a bit of good and bad luck your way to make an interesting game; They are not about giving you a 'challange' that you can't beat unless you have an absolutely specific setup that breaks the game. That's called poor game design.
Of course the player doesn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ have that! It's called difficulty! I know you're under the impression that everything has to have an even playing field, but (spoiler!): not all games are fair. You can't just have everything spoonfed to you, mate. Defense (particularly Mk. I) and Anti-Drone Drones, while certainly not infallible, can delay the Hacking Drones for quite some time. And aside from that, there are only four systems that are completely vital to have unhacked: Pilot, Engines, Shields, and Weapons (and possibly Teleport, if you have it). That's four Systems and a Subsystem. Given how the lowest amount of systems and subsystems you can have on a ship is 7 and how the maximum is 12, you have a quite high chance of having a relatively inconsequential system hacked. As for the shots dodging Defense Drones, I believe you're overestimating the amount of work a Defense Drone can do; Mk. 1s have to deal with both Hacking Drones and the Tri-Missile Launcher, often letting one or the other get through. And if you expect a Defense Drone Mk. II to prevent damage, you are expecting far too much from it. Oftentimes, it's quite useless, as it fires at Lasers and Ions that have already dissipated on your shield instead of firing at bigger threats like Missiles and Hacking Drones.
Finally, luck is still not the be-all, end-all in FTL. Is it slightly more prevalent due to Hacking? Yes. Is it the deciding factor of the game? No. Skill still makes up roughly 2/3 of the game. A skilled player can often subvert most of the bad luck that the game throws at them. And I fail to see how Mind Control and Hacking are cheating. Are they powerful? Yes. Are they cheating? No. Hacking can't get past Defense Drones unless it has a supplement of some kind (such as distracting Missiles or a Defense Scrambler) and Mind Control is only effective if one either has a Teleporter (either for boarding while the enemy is Mind-Controlled or for stealing the crewman), time/patience, or both. I understand that it can be frustrating, but one of the beautiful traits of humans is adaptability; conforming to new situations is key.
/rant
leandrombraz Apr 16, 2014 @ 10:57am 
and this, ladies and gentlemen, is the meaning of "overreaction".



Originally posted by Giga:
NO ONE CARES...

What a coincidence!! Nobody cares about how you are unable to deal with a little hacking issue too!

There's several ways to deal with the hacking, it isn't even near OP. Everytime I got there so far, I was able to deal with the first stage without bigger issues. Just get ready. Now that you know they will use hack, just prepare something to counter it before you are there..

TheGlecter Apr 16, 2014 @ 11:58am 
I think allowing crew members to detach the hacking drone by sending them to the hacked room could be an awesome idea, as long as they have to spend a decent ammount of repairing time (plus the time it takes to go through the doors). Detaching time could also be based on the enemy hacking system's level, and it could also be increased by attacking the hacked system (repairing systems would take priority over drone detaching).

I think the game is begging for an additional way to get rid of attached drones, apart from hacking their hacking which isn't always possible... Having to jump away to get the drone detached and praying for better luck the next time feels like bad game design to me, no matter how luck-based it already is... :P
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Gekkibi Apr 16, 2014 @ 12:03pm 
Originally posted by General_Lecter_:
I think allowing crew members to detach the hacking drone by sending them to the hacked room could be an awesome idea, as long as they have to spend a decent ammount of repairing time (plus the time it takes to go through the doors). Detaching time could also be based on the enemy hacking system's level, and it could also be increased by attacking the hacked system (repairing systems would take priority over drone detaching).
...And then they launch another one. I'd like to add one more improvement: because you used resources to remove the hacking drone then it means the room is vital to you. The ship should target the very same room again!

Originally posted by General_Lecter_:
I think the game is begging for an additional way to get rid of attached drones, apart from hacking their hacking which isn't always possible... Having to jump away to get the drone detached and praying for better luck the next time feels like bad game design to me, no matter how luck-based it already is... :P

Oh but there is a way... A bomb.
TheGlecter Apr 16, 2014 @ 12:11pm 
Originally posted by Gekkibi:
...And then they launch another one.
Yeah, that's the point of it.

...The ship should target the very same room again!
And then the whole thing becomes pointless. Why would you want to spend time detaching a drone if you know the next one is going to go to the same room? :P

Oh but there is a way... A bomb.
You mean one of those bombs that can target your own ship? I think that depends too much on a specific equipment, but it's good to know anyway...
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Gekkibi Apr 16, 2014 @ 12:18pm 
Originally posted by General_Lecter_:
Originally posted by Gekkibi:
...And then they launch another one.
Yeah, that's the point of it.

...The ship should target the very same room again!
And then the whole thing becomes pointless. Why would you want to spend time detaching a drone if you know the next one is going to go to the same room? :P

Oh but there is a way... A bomb.
You mean one of those bombs that can target your own ship? I think that depends too much on a specific equipment, but it's good to know anyway...

If you want to have even slight amount of intelligence in AI then of course it should target the same system! That's the point of it! :P

I meant Small Bomb, Breach II or Ion Bomb. Both can be used to disable the system and instantly stop the hacking process. Ion bomb would be the best because it causes ion damage and the enemy crew can't simply fix it.
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