Ettenmoors: When do I stop getting owned?

[Atlas]

I am a level 76 rank 4 elf hunter, and am wondering; if I get all the +2 audacity set (At level 85), do I stop getting owned? At the moment, I find NO mercy from creeps if they see me, and my morale plumets within seconds.

2nd question: When does the ost ringdyr questing become obsolete (when does it make such a little diference to your renown, that it isn't worth doing?)?

[76561198077869228]

Don't venture into the Moors Solo -- it is simply deadly -- it doesn't matter what your level.

If you are running solo, the best you can hope for is to "delay your death" a bit.

It is simply the nature of the players in the Moors. -- if it moves kill it!

If you are a new character in the Moors, you really have to be travelling with A Kinship (or Tribe) if you want to survive.

[DinolatorLD]

Get Level 100, good LI's, good relics an the Audacity-Set with +3. Two pieces of each set to get the 2-piece-bonuses (critical defense). Work on your mitigations (+virtues). Try to get all of your skill points to use your Skilltree effective as possible. Thats the best way to become "armed and dangerous". But still then soloplay can be difficult, a group is way safer.

At some point (rank, ... i would say 6 and upwards) you need so much renown that doing only a few quests (only Ost Ringdyr) becomes worthless, unless you do all possible quests of each ceep. When im playing with my creep within a quest-raid (mostly in the morning hours), i get about 2k-3k+ infamy. Additional to the normal PvP at primetime it works quiet well.

Sorry for bad english. Have fun

EDIT:
Don't get me wrong, no "pro" talk or something. The scaling of your values is just simply bad, you're not as strong as a real and well geared level 100 player. I hope Turbine is working on that.

[Atlas]

Ah ok, I was wondering, I am ahead on some of my virtues, and way behind on others, (Massive slayer deeds instead of explorer). And yea I can see your point with the scaling system.

[76561198077869228]

Originally posted by DinolatorLD:

Don't get me wrong, no "pro" talk or something. The scaling of your values is just simply bad, you're not as strong as a real and well geared level 100 player. I hope Turbine is working on that.

The thing which most people do not recognize about "scaling" is that equipment is scaled RELATIVE to its own level, not the level of your character.
If you have a lvel 50 character scaled up to level 95, your stats are scaled up, and your virtues raised to level 14 as I recall -- not to level 19 (the current max).
Similarly if your level 50 toon has a level 50 LI, that LI will NOT scale up to a level 95 LI, but to one of a lower level.
Level scaling is still not well understood. We (at {LINK REMOVED}lotro-wiki.com) made an effort to identify what that exactly means. See: {LINK REMOVED}https://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Level_Scaling

[Atlas]

Originally posted by Valamar:

Originally posted by DinolatorLD:

Don't get me wrong, no "pro" talk or something. The scaling of your values is just simply bad, you're not as strong as a real and well geared level 100 player. I hope Turbine is working on that.

The thing which most people do not recognize about "scaling" is that equipment is scaled RELATIVE to its own level, not the level of your character.
If you have a lvel 50 character scaled up to level 95, your stats are scaled up, and your virtues raised to level 14 as I recall -- not to level 19 (the current max).
Similarly if your level 50 toon has a level 50 LI, that LI will NOT scale up to a level 95 LI, but to one of a lower level.
Level scaling is still not well understood. We (at lotro-wiki.com) made an effort to identify what that exactly means. See: https://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Level_Scaling

How long has it been since you have been in the moors? (Not being rude just wondering), since level 50?

[76561198077869228]

In terms of personal combat, I had a Rune Keeper at level 5, when the level cap was 50.
But PvP is not my cup of tea. My kin still has an active Moors night group so I get lots of "kinchat" about issues there.
However, the information on the Wikia about the moors is information provided by others, not myself.

One thing I should point out -- a Scaled character is scaled to Level 95, not Level 100.

[Too Many Side Quest]

I don't get it. sorry. hope someone who is expert enough in PvMP explain who things works? equipment? level? weapon? skills?

[76561198077869228]

What is there to explain?
PvMP is mostly a bunch of rude players who believe it is their obligation to gang-up on any newbee they can find simply to further their own renown.

PvMP is NOT a level-playing-field, it is inherrently biased in favor of the long-time players.

Your best, and really only hope , is to join a Kin which regularly plays in the Moors and which has enough high ranked players to protect their noobs long enough for the noobes to gain sufficient credits to be able to survive on their own.

This applies to both Kins for Freeps and Tribes for Creeps.

LOTRO is NOT a PvP game. It has PvMP, but the participation is very low when compared to the total number of LOTRO players.

[Inardesco]

Back in the day ( Shadows of Angmar ) it was possible to get in on the lower levels and solo in the Moors. I started with my hunter there on lvl 40 and had the time and space to switch between leveling and PvMP. Now in those days the requirements for ranking were higher. The amount of renown (solo kill) is compareable to what is given currently. Yet the amount for a raid group was 6 highest! Which means that ranking was more tedious in those days then it is now.

From what I've gathered, morale was more matched then than it is now. Freeps had from 1,5k to 2,5-3k (If well buffed and equipment capt/guardian) and when I logged into my warg last night I saw myself sitting on 50k morale and freeps at 15k-25k morale. Which is a big difference.

So I will give the same advice as others. Level to 100, though I suppose that around lvl 90-95 it'd be possible to enter as well. I sure will once I reach that level. And join raids. I've seen freeps (and creeps) in the Moors that wanted you to have a certain rank before joining a raid and thus make an "elitist" raid.

All in all, since the time of Mirkwood the gameplay in the Moors slowly faded to a former shadow of the fun and the playerbase. Then it was about the epic battles that sometimes lasted 20-30 minutes nonstop and not about the renown. And stars, we all loved stars. Especially to steal them!