How is the grind?

[Dionysus 🐭]

How is the grind on this game? Is there a lot?

[Grannie1]

this confuses me. The reason it is called "grind" is because it is boring, therefore, if it is fun, it is not "grind". Also, no one likes being bored.

[Dionysus 🐭]

Originally posted by Grannie1:

this confuses me. The reason it is called "grind" is because it is boring, therefore, if it is fun, it is not "grind". Also, no one likes being bored.

No, a grind can be fun. A grind is mainly refered as doing something repetitive (like killing the same enemy over and over).

[Gil Shrewmouse]

Can you give any fun example of grinding then?

[Dionysus 🐭]

Originally posted by Gilnaure:

Can you give any fun example of grinding then?

No, I cannot. I hate all grind. There are some people that like the grind, the more boring, the better.

[Gil Shrewmouse]

Oh, you've changed the question :)
No, there aren't lots of grind in LotRO. You can kill monsters and complete dailies for deeds - but they all have limits. You can gather festival (or other) tokens - but they are not always available - and you may either collect all interesting things or not be interest in them at all. You can gather North Ithilien flora (end-game content for casual players), but you actually can complete either deeds or collect all equipment pieces within a reasonable time.

[oreyos]

They lowered a lot of the slayer deed requirements, lowering the grind.
Running through the Barrow Downs with a group 'grinding' for the slayer deeds there tended to be fun (or at least not tedious).

The whole problem lies with your mindset. If you see it as a grind, killing 100 spiders is no fun.
If you see it as revenge because you're scared of spiders (whether in real life or role playing) it can be a lot more satisfying.

Even though the graphics are a lot better than say Angband, it's still a game that requires some imagination to make it (more) fun :-)

[Grannie1]

Originally posted by oreyos:

The whole problem lies with your mindset. If you see it as a grind, killing 100 spiders is no fun.
If you see it as revenge because you're scared of spiders (whether in real life or role playing) it can be a lot more satisfying.

AND...........you make my point. (if you see it as a grind = no fun, if you see it as fun = no grind)

[Dionysus 🐭]

Originally posted by Gilnaure:

Oh, you've changed the question :)
No, there aren't lots of grind in LotRO. You can kill monsters and complete dailies for deeds - but they are all have limits. You can gather festival (or other) tokens - but they are not always available - and you may either collect all interesting things or not be interest in them at all. You can gather North Ithilien flora (end-game content for casual players), but you actually can complete either deeds or collect all equipment pieces within a reasonable time.

Yeah. I changed it because some people were getting confused about what I meant.

[Dionysus 🐭]

Originally posted by Grannie1:

Originally posted by oreyos:

The whole problem lies with your mindset. If you see it as a grind, killing 100 spiders is no fun.
If you see it as revenge because you're scared of spiders (whether in real life or role playing) it can be a lot more satisfying.

AND...........you make my point. (if you see it as a grind = no fun, if you see it as fun = no grind)

And how do I not see a grind as a grind?

[Grannie1]

Originally posted by aaronth07:

Originally posted by Grannie1:

AND...........you make my point. (if you see it as a grind = no fun, if you see it as fun = no grind)

And how do I not see a grind as a grind?

Some people can't, if you are one of those, you have my sincere sympathy. If, however, you can shift your mind-set to make repetative work fun in some way, (such as previously mentioned), it becomes a fun way to spend your time, and is no longer a "grind". I, for example, work in retail, so often each mob for a slayer deed is one of the customers.... (or an annoying neighbor...etc.) :P

[oreyos]

Originally posted by Grannie1:

Originally posted by aaronth07:

And how do I not see a grind as a grind?

Some people can't, if you are one of those, you have my sincere sympathy. If, however, you can shift your mind-set to make repetative work fun in some way, (such as previously mentioned), it becomes a fun way to spend your time, and is no longer a "grind". I, for example, work in retail, so often each mob for a slayer deed is one of the customers.... (or an annoying neighbor...etc.) :P

I'm a coder (programmer, developer, solutions engineer, take your pick of fancy names :-)).
Code reviews, bug hunting, documentation...
Those are grinds. Killing 240 Worms in LotRO is far from grinding in my book

[Irradiot]

i miss the more difficult starter areas, having to kill lots of hendroval, wolves; now it is just so fast i almost missed it; i don't t hink the deeds are supposed to be easy; should be a real sense of accomplishment, but... always outlevel the starter area anyway, so there's that.
. so the starter areas are easier, for grind, and i heard all the slayer deeds got nerfed. I'm not sure about other deeds, like completion for bree-land, or other areas. I know there is still plenty of running around in the shire, ie too much.
. most quests are really simple, like harvest 3 flowers, kill 10 bunnies, etc. Some have more story-driven components. I'd say that some of these story quest-chains can be a bit grindy.
I started out as a dwarf with my current character i'm focusing on. Went to The Shire to look into yule festival related stuff and got hooked into the local quest chains. Decided to stop after about level 10 and finishing the postmaster deed. I figure, being already level 15 I have little benefit from doing anymore quests there, so might as well wait till I'm level 100+, to even consider doing more.
so, also no breeland quests/deeds for this chr. Not really a big deal, so many others of higher level to do.
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tldr: you can just follow the main storyline and forget about 'the grind'

[oreyos]

Originally posted by friimynd:

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tldr: you can just follow the main storyline and forget about 'the grind'

You're right. All grindy bits are things that don't have anything to do with the main story.
It's for deeds, titles, virtues. (Although virtues will come in handy).

You could check for deeds that give virtues you want (lotro-wiki has a page grouping them that way IIRC), and skip the rest of the slayer deeds to reduce the grind.

For F2P users the LP you get for deeds is an added incentive to do them.

And of course you have completionists, who might hate it, but still do the grind because 100% completion :-)

The slayer deeds got nerfed in the way that you don't have to kill (for example) 360 (120 + 240) worms in the Misty mountains, but 300 (100 + 200) so 17% less grind.

BTW, you realise that you'll get a lootbox + key for completing all deeds in an area? Selling keys can be quite lucrative, as they go for 15-20 gold a piece.

[Grannie1]

hehe... if you watch the market and sell at the right time, it's more like 25-30 gold per key, at least, on Crick... :)

[oreyos]

Originally posted by Grannie1:

hehe... if you watch the market and sell at the right time, it's more like 25-30 gold per key, at least, on Crick... :)

IIRC there will be an increased loot box drop period soon. Good time to sell keys then :-)
I should check Crick again. Haven't been there for ages, even though I've got enough toons there...