Need a hint (Spoilers, obviously)

[Netist]

Loving this game so far, and I've done plenty of stuff. It's really got its teeth in me. But now I'm kind of stuck. I finished the game with Gray. Finished the game with Lillie, and then found Bee with Cif. Also did a couple things beyond that through exploration. Traded for all of the shortcuts (though I haven't actually found the last one quite yet), and saw a few things, including finding the giant carcass in the void as both Gray and Cif, getting both the cutscenes associated with it. Haven't check it with Lillie yet because frankly I'm not ready to torture myself with hard mode again, even with all the items and my notes. I've also been to floor B000 as both Gray and Cif, but could find anything to do with thing there as Gray. It wasn't there at all for Cif. Also found the giant at the bottom of the void that allows you to reset everything.

And so, at this point I'm not entirely sure what else there is for me to do, though it's very obvious that there's a lot I haven't uncovered. The only thing I can think of that I haven't done yet is get all the brands for each of the Lords. So far I'm missing Eus and Cif. For Eus, I've gotten the hint that "the tail of the traitorous lord connects the brand" but I'm not really sure what to do with it. I've tried stitching together every map with a tail segment on it in a photo editor, but it doesn't seem to all fit together... As for Cif's brand, I'm totally lost. One of the eggs says it's "carved somewhere here in their domain" but nothing sticks out. There's only one room that seems like it could fit the 6x6 required for a brand puzzle, on B221, but I'm not sure what to do with it. There aren't enough tiles for the brand you use to play as Cif, so it can't be that.

So, any hints? Not looking for hand-holding, but just something to point me in the right direction because clearly I'm missing something.

[Minneyar]

Have you found the three burdens? I would kind of assume anybody who's made it through as Lillie has done so, but just checking. If not, try rearranging the 6x6 room in each lord's domain to match their brand. If so...

Originally posted by Netist:

I've also been to floor B000 as both Gray and Cif, but could find anything to do with thing there as Gray. It wasn't there at all for Cif. Also found the giant at the bottom of the void that allows you to reset everything.

There's two sets of seals on that thing. Maybe there's a way to break them?

Maybe something you can kill with the sword...

If you want it explicitly spelled out: You need to kill Tail and Gor.

Originally posted by Netist:

I've tried stitching together every map with a tail segment on it in a photo editor, but it doesn't seem to all fit together...

Keep in mind it should fit in a 6x6 area, and there may be gaps between some of the tiles. The ones that go right next to each other line up perfectly.

Originally posted by Netist:

As for Cif's brand, I'm totally lost. One of the eggs says it's "carved somewhere here in their domain" but nothing sticks out. There's only one room that seems like it could fit the 6x6 required for a brand puzzle, on B221, but I'm not sure what to do with it. There aren't enough tiles for the brand you use to play as Cif, so it can't be that.

Maybe you've never even been to the room where Cif's brand is already set.

Were you paying attention to the room numbers while going through Cif's domain?

[Netist]

Originally posted by Minneyar:

Have you found the three burdens I would kind of assume anybody who's made it through as Lillie has done so, but just checking. If not, try rearranging the 6x6 room in each lord's domain to match their brand. If so...

Yes, of course. Since the final run I did with Gray involved all the burdens, they weren't there for Lillie. I tried to do hard mode without them, but... After B100 I gave up and just restarted with some brands.

There's two sets of seals on that thing. Maybe there's a way to break them?

Maybe something you can kill with the sword...

If you want it explicitly spelled out: You need to kill Tail and Gor.

That's interesting... I know you can kill Gor, but Tail only wants to talk. That head (which I'm assuming represents Add, with Eus and Mon grappling it) has a bunch of seals on it, and Mon has a seal on his face, so I figured there are seals associated with every Lord. Wasn't sure where to go with that.

Keep in mind it should fit in a 6x6 area, and there may be gaps between some of the tiles. The ones that go right next to each other line up perfectly.

I'll give it another shot. I can tell there are obviously two segments that are the "start" and "end".

Maybe you've never even been to the room where Cif's brand is already set.

Were you paying attention to the room numbers while going through Cif's domain?

That's... Possible, I suppose. I'll give it some extra attention, thanks,

[Netist]

Update: Figured out both brands, got the upgrade for Add's Scepter, made my way through DIS and fought Lev. That was incredible. It's hard to believe there's still more game left to uncover. I'm a little disappointed that I finished off Cif as quick as I did, since it seemed like she had a lot more dialogue to give and it was pretty interesting, but I don't know how ready I am to trek all the way back through DIS for a second viewing.

[YdenMkII]

Originally posted by Netist:

Update: Figured out both brands, got the upgrade for Add's Scepter, made my way through DIS and fought Lev. That was incredible. It's hard to believe there's still more game left to uncover. I'm a little disappointed that I finished off Cif as quick as I did, since it seemed like she had a lot more dialogue to give and it was pretty interesting, but I don't know how ready I am to trek all the way back through DIS for a second viewing.

As an extra incentive, you can get to DIS as both Gray and Lillie so you might want to do so to see what's different between the two characters.

[bulshit77]

Originally posted by YdenMkII:

Originally posted by Netist:

Update: Figured out both brands, got the upgrade for Add's Scepter, made my way through DIS and fought Lev. That was incredible. It's hard to believe there's still more game left to uncover. I'm a little disappointed that I finished off Cif as quick as I did, since it seemed like she had a lot more dialogue to give and it was pretty interesting, but I don't know how ready I am to trek all the way back through DIS for a second viewing.

As an extra incentive, you can get to DIS as both Gray and Lillie so you might want to do so to see what's different between the two characters.

ONE MORE THING You can do it as Cif too if you kill tail and gor, but don't get the true ending. I know this because in my Cif run, gor was dead because I killed her as Lillie. Thus, you can get the super rod as Cif and get another ending