what annoys you about the Frackin' universe mod?

[donald.nintendo]

seriously. i like the mod. but some things it does to change the BASE game is pretty lame.
a single mod should NEVER do too much at once in my opinion.


if a mod adds many features DON'T change base gameplay elements.

don't add your own little balance patches in the mix when it doesnt need it.

for example the reload mechanic.
I hate it. its annoying and completely unneeded.

at least make some of the gameplay changes OPTIONAL.


i suggest someone make individual patch mods for this kinda thing. i have no idea how to do any of it though.

[Darkest King]

The developer.

Dude acts and sounds like he's done putting up with people's ♥♥♥♥ and gives no ♥♥♥♥♥. Which would be fine, but he acts that way to EVERYONE, regardless of whether they're rude OR nice to him. Dude's just an ass all around. It's like he thinks everyone is out to get 'im.

If someone asks you a question that seems like the answer should be obvious, what do you do?
A - Ignore it.
B - Politely request they refer to your FAQ (if the answer is, indeed, in there).
C - Politely suggest the answer could reveal itself with just a bit more testing on your end.
D - Politely answer the question anyway because why not?
E - Be a total ass because "this dude deserves it".

The only unacceptable answer is E, and he picked it every time from what I'd seen.

EDIT: I mean, I'm not saying the dude doesn't have a RIGHT to be an incorrigible bastard if he wants, but I am saying that if he decides to do so, he does NOT have a right to complain about anyone calling him out on it. If you're gonna dish it out, you better learn to TAKE it, dude...

EDIT 2: But if I was to answer more seriously and not just be taking a jab at this guy...

... I'd say liquid pumps and Strange Seas.

A while back, liquid pumps got HEAVILY nerfed. And just an example of what an un-necessary ass this guy can be is, I thought this was a bug and asked about it while also showing a picture of the setup I was using to automatically have fluids collected by the pumps placed into a container elsewhere for me.

This dude told me the nerf wasn't a bug, and was intentional to stop people like me from abusing the system to essentially create duplicate resources, which A. I wasn't doing, and B. One of his OWN DEV TEAM MEMBERS confirmed isn't even a thing. They also said that the reason for the nerf was just to test with making the pumps slower for balancing purposes. Which, I personally disagree with considering how much of an arm and a leg Densinium pumps cost me to get, they absolutely SHOULD pump fast, but at least one of his own team members had the decency to call him out on his ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for me so I'm not too upset about it.

The decision was also made some time ago to nerf Strange Seas so they weren't completely random liquids anymore, apparently because he didn't want people getting lucky with Strange Seas having oceans of really good ♥♥♥♥ in them, so at some point they made it so Strange Seas only had Plasmic Fluid. Like, sure... I LIKE Plasmic Fluid, but I also think it's fun to find an ocean of beer and quicksand. Or Molten Iron and Bio Ooze. That's what makes them strange!

Fortunately, there is a counter-mod to revert that change.

[Teru]

the thing that most annoy me is sayter making his fan base mass report any standalone version of any feature of FU,and some generic features as well,while his full mod package is extremely heavy even for good pcs,so we cant enjoy some cool things like generators and ore processors in a light weight version

[InkWarrior101]

Mostly, the inconsistency on the whole spritework. It's not like it doesn't let you play well the game since is mostly a visual thing, but it feels off to see an armor or weapon in one style just to see another which is practically a recolor of a vanilla item, and even then, it just reminds you the amount of mods (and sprites from other games) they stole and how little the devs care to at least give them a treatment so it's consistent with the rest of the mod.

[Knugen]

how he is from sources i have heard he is stealing mods and putting them in without permisson

[Urban Champion]

Terumi の投稿を引用：

the thing that most annoy me is sayter making his fan base mass report any standalone version of any feature of FU,and some generic features as well,while his full mod package is extremely heavy even for good pcs,so we cant enjoy some cool things like generators and ore processors in a light weight version

Exactly. The extra species, building materials, items, etc all have to be used with FU and no one is allowed to make them standalone whatssoever.

I find most of the grind of research and madness completely unbearable with my gripes about the mod, as well as the nonsense balance of everything in it.

[Wakazu]

Am I the only one sick of FU's toilet humor?
Sure, vanilla has some of this too, but FU just cranks it to 11. This is NOT funny, it's gross and annoying.
What is even worse, if you decide to go eldritch \ metaphysical research, the ammount of ♥♥♥♥-jokes hits the roof almost immediately. Like, you'd be required to eat ♥♥♥♥, rotten things, defile cadavers... Look, I get it, these are gross things that mentally ill people are sometimes observed to do, but these are all consequences of going insane, not the way to go nuts. You won't start hearing voices if you eat ♥♥♥♥, you'll just become intoxicated and end up with multiple health issues.

[Urban Champion]

Wakazu の投稿を引用：

Am I the only one sick of FU's toilet humor?
Sure, vanilla has some of this too, but FU just cranks it to 11. This is NOT funny, it's gross and annoying.
What is even worse, if you decide to go eldritch \ metaphysical research, the ammount of ♥♥♥♥-jokes hits the roof almost immediately. Like, you'd be required to eat ♥♥♥♥, rotten things, defile cadavers... Look, I get it, these are gross things that mentally ill people are sometimes observed to do, but these are all consequences of going insane, not the way to go nuts. You won't start hearing voices if you eat ♥♥♥♥, you'll just become intoxicated and end up with multiple health issues.

It really makes you think of what kind of people the developers really are, its not even funny at all, like who thought consumable baby heads is funny and not totally messed up in the head? the "lore" of the mod is just lovecraft horror stories implemented in a pretty clean and lighthearted game which just doesnt work at all.

[Wakazu]

Jin Kisaragi の投稿を引用：

Wakazu の投稿を引用：

Am I the only one sick of FU's toilet humor?
Sure, vanilla has some of this too, but FU just cranks it to 11. This is NOT funny, it's gross and annoying.
What is even worse, if you decide to go eldritch \ metaphysical research, the ammount of ♥♥♥♥-jokes hits the roof almost immediately. Like, you'd be required to eat ♥♥♥♥, rotten things, defile cadavers... Look, I get it, these are gross things that mentally ill people are sometimes observed to do, but these are all consequences of going insane, not the way to go nuts. You won't start hearing voices if you eat ♥♥♥♥, you'll just become intoxicated and end up with multiple health issues.

It really makes you think of what kind of people the developers really are, its not even funny at all, like who thought consumable baby heads is funny and not totally messed up in the head? the "lore" of the mod is just lovecraft horror stories implemented in a pretty clean and lighthearted game which just doesnt work at all.

The thing is - it's not even lovecraftian. I love eldritch mythos, and believe when I say - it could be implemented way, WAY better and more atmospheric. There is a huge defference between "horrifying" and "disgusting", and Sayter got all of last and none of first.
I mean, seriously, eldritch gods are supposed to instill horror and awe of their cosmic power. Would you be terrified of a creature, that requires you to eat poop just to hear its voice? Please... and whats the deal with eating raw meat giving you madness points?! Any race that can digest protein can eat raw meat just fine, and a herbivore, if they try to eat meat, no matter raw or cooked, will get the runs, not a psychic trauma.

[Cookie]

From everything I've ever read, Sayter is kind of an Arthmoor for Starbound.
1. Extremely egotistical for no valid reason
2. Questionable minor vanilla gameplay balance changes in a massive, comprehensive mod
3. Can't handle any level of criticism or even questioning
4. Gets involved in (or just outright initiated) EVERY drama seemingly for the sake of it
5. Just so happens to be involved in the largest mod project of their respective game, meaning you either deal with them or can't use a vast section of the modding community's content

That's unfortunately not what has turned me off from ever trying FU, though. It's the icky research system. And even before that, it just needlessly complicated so many things that were enjoyable because of their simplicity. At least all Arthmoor did with Skyrim was fix bugs and change features they thought were "too OP", not try to fundamentally change the gameplay loop of the vanilla game.

[𒈙Dubble99𒈙]

The fact that theres a chance the mod wont even let you progress, ship is repaired and i have the dark cavern key but still cant fight the first boss, ♥♥♥♥ this mod lol

[Fopsky; Resident Nerd 🎀]

currently, creating equipment is clunky AF, some much stuff you can make, its good, but its also bad, its actually overwhelmeng when you unlock T.1 gear recipes and realize you can make about 150 pieces of equipment, and i am counting clothed armor, metal based armor and weapons.
Techs are a fun to unlock, but i wish there were some sort of new branching way to unlock it, like science and research has, so you know what you have to take first before taking what you actually want

[The Savage OJM]

Corbent の投稿を引用：

Rail の投稿を引用：

It never really bothered me but I always felt like there was something wrong with the balancing, I can't quite put my finger on why, it's kind of a mess to be honest.

I tried getting back into FU recently, everything was going well and I was really having fun up until the Erchius Mining Facility, the enemy spam in that mission is rough, thank ♥♥♥♥ that's optional. Instead of clever enemy placement, you get wailed on by 7 or so randomly placed enemies at the same time, it's not a very fun mission, I never died to it but it's kinda tedious.

I was thinking more about the little nuissances, like when they recently made a distinction between "water" and "salt water", so you can no longer get salt from water generators. Now salt water comes from ocean biomes.

I made a post on discord on how this really didn't achieve anything other than making my build bigger since I had to install an alternate way to acquire the salt, reaching the same result only with a higher strain on a game not known for being efficient. He answered that "water generation was OP". What does that mean given that I'm still getting my salt, just in a more roundabout way? No idea. But that's one change I feel the game could do just fine without.

Separating water into fresh and salt makes sense though. FU tends to dip into realism. So getting salt from fresh water makes zero sense.

[The Savage OJM]

Public_Enema の投稿を引用：

I really don't like the fact that now a days, you're not playing starbound with FU but FU period! It's become too invasive with how much it changes. Personally, I use the version before they added the ammo system in. That, along with Elithian races, shellguard, arcana etc are more than enough content.

Frackin Universe is an "Overhaul" mod. Of course its going to be "invasive" because that is the point of overhaul mods.

[The Savage OJM]

donald.nintendo の投稿を引用：

goehringeric1986 の投稿を引用：

Those Gameplay-changes ARE optional. Install the mod or not.
Tadaa. Unhappy with sideways the Mod goes? Beside its sorta exentric cause its their verry own right 2 put into their own mod as much as they want u need 2 lern 2 mod by ur own and write ur own mods by ur own.

1. learn to spell correctly or noone will take you seriously.
2. you missed the point. in my opinion, while yes sayter does have the right to add whatever he wants to his mod, i'd prefer he make at least some of his balance patches optional when using said mod.

and 3. i kinda can't play without the mod anymore. it adds too much content and the base game will feel very barren. plus my characters are LOCKED into the mod by his design.

What you prefer would lead to more work than necessary. With a mod this large I doubt that will happen.

[The Savage OJM]

Pipann の投稿を引用：

goehringeric1986 の投稿を引用：

Those Gameplay-changes ARE optional. Install the mod or not.
Tadaa. Unhappy with sideways the Mod goes? Beside its sorta exentric cause its their verry own right 2 put into their own mod as much as they want u need 2 lern 2 mod by ur own and write ur own mods by ur own.

That's the thing though. Mods are here to add to the game with small fun changes, be it retexturing an existing object to adding a new race with their own lore and an alternate, separate version of the outpost. People want to be able to pick and choose to create their ideal gaming experience.

FU tries to overhaul everything, effectively doing the complete opposite. You either deal with the things you don't like in order to enjoy what you DO like, or you don't get any of it at all.

Of course you can choose not to install it. But that's clearly not what this topic is about. We are voicing our criticism of the mod, if that's even what you can call it anymore, and we have every right to do so.

Mods don't have a size limit in order to be called a mod. Mods have to be small? That is your opinion. A mod is anything that makes a modification to the game, regardless of size. An overhaul is a category of Mod.