If you're thinking about posting in starbound's official forums, read this.

[Iki]

I was banned without an end date (probably permanently), for suggesting that chucklefish uses chucklefish.org (their official company website) to post about other games they are publishing or developing instead of the starbound site, which should only be for starbound.

That was it.

Full disclosure: I had just been back from a 3-day ban on their forums, because Omni decided to pick a fight with me on a forum thread. So now Im banned for trolling for calling them out on their bs.

And alot of people here on steam are right. steam forums is really the only place we have where we can express criticism without fear of bans, whiteknits, fanboys and incompetent yes-men have no power here.

And when its all said and done, Im kind of glad I cant even see the official forums. All the ♥♥♥♥ing rainbows of praise make me sick.

[GrimCreaper]

Originally posted by Wotsa:

Just to help you out OP, here are just a handful of the posts that got you banned, and remeber, you got banned because you wouldn't quit argueing and derailing threads:

Pre 3-Day Ban:

Topic: "WITH WHICH GAME WOULD YOU FUSE STARBOUND?"

Originally posted by Toquio3:

A finished one.

Topic: "NEW PICTURE FROM OMNI'S TWITTER"

Originally posted by Toquio3:

When I go to the office, I work. I dont get inside the trash can and pretend Im a robot.

But thats me

Topic: "BUZZWORD OF THE WEEK: VAPORWARE"

Originally posted by Toquio3:

I wouldnt call starbound vaporware. technically, we do have a game, so its real. To give it a similar name, I'd have to make up a new term, like promiseware. a piece of software that, although real, is built entirely on a foundation of empty promises.

Im now of the belief that all early access games are promiseware, which is why I pretty much gave up on the system.

Topic: "BUZZWORD OF THE WEEK: VAPORWARE"

Originally posted by Toquio3:

well, considering they dont seem to know what publishing means, dont judge me for not counting on it.

And I may not know anything about game development, but I do know a thing or two about integrity and work ethics.

Insulting Omni

Originally posted by OmnipotentEntity:

With a company as small as ours is, these is very little room for these sorts of semantics. There's only a handful of us. So let's not pretend please.

Originally posted by Toquio3:

As you wish. you're a liar and lazy. Now stop browsing the forums picking fights with your customers and go do some work.

And dont even act like you didnt ask for it.

And remember, these are just a few of all of your arguementative posts. There are literally about 15 more for me to sift through.

holy hell im glad you found those lol. "Unfair" ban my arse. Half those posts are Time Out worthy. Too freaking good. And this is one of the people that others are flocking to for their information. "LOOK! He was BANNED UNFAIRLY! Dont EVER go into their forums and criticise them!"

No real criticism in there, just blatant insulting and toxic posting.

[wayninja]

Originally posted by Wotsa:

-Going into a thread explaining the difference between "Publishing and Developing", and arguing how you are never going to buy a CF game again and how CF "owes" you is not on topic.

Yes, it is. The topic is attempting to explain why thier publishing ventures are not interfering with Starbound. Posting that you will not buy their published products is on topic. Again, you just don't like it.

Originally posted by Wotsa:

-Going into a thread asking players what games they'd like to fuse with Starbound and saying "anything finished" is not on topic. Contrary to what you seem to think, a snide, sarcastic answer voicing dissapproval does not count as a legitimate answer. The OP was clearly asking for a serious response, not someone just trying to argue and voice how much he hates CF.

Oh, I get it. If it wasn't an answer the OP was expecting, then it's not valid. That doesn't sound like only certain opinions are allowed at all.

Originally posted by Wotsa:

-Flagrant arguing, regardless of the topic of the arguement, is considered thread derailment.

And I saw no evidence of that. You just want to label it such because it supports your argument.

Originally posted by Wotsa:

There is a clear difference between a disagreement and an arguement. You see what I'm doing now? You see how I'm representing my position without attacking your personally or getting emotionally involved? You see how I'm remaining civiil without getting mad? That is a disagreement. It is calm and respectful without any form of vitriol or aggression.

Yes, I see what you are doing. It seems passive agressive to me and clearly you are here just to pick a fight. See? I can do it too.

Originally posted by Wotsa:

And agrument has no substance and does nothing but rope people further in to the point where it degredes into insults as the OP did. And yes, passive aggressive insults still count as insults. Numerous times you and OP have tried to rope me into an arguement with aggressive and snippy tones. Luckly, I have thick skin.

You can keep claiming that the argument has no substance, but clearly not everyone feels that way. See, that's kind of how a discussion works, if we all had the same viewpoint, there would be no need for one. Just because you claim your tone is superior it doesn't change the content of your argument.

[Tweed]

Originally posted by Grimcreaper:

holy hell im glad you found those lol. "Unfair" ban my arse. Half those posts are Time Out worthy. Too freaking good. And this is one of the people that others are flocking to for their information. "LOOK! He was BANNED UNFAIRLY! Dont EVER go into their forums and criticise them!"

No real criticism in there, just blatant insulting and toxic posting.

Lol u so mad

[orange peel]

Originally posted by Grimcreaper:

Originally posted by Azden:

@Kolljak Haha yeah I agree 100% except that apparently it is BETA.

Although I do agree they shouldn't cross advertise on their Starbound website, it's up to them whether or not they want to approach the professional route. Then again that's the point of Indie games right? It's just regular people.

May i ask why they SHOULDNT be cross advertising? This is a bussiness afterall. Look at every other major publisher: Links to all their games everywhere.

Example: Any Blizzard website. Cross Selling and Advertising gets more revenue. more revenue means the bussiness stays afloat in one hell of a hard industry.

i mean there have been like maybe 10 posts about other games.... its kinda getting upset over nothing

[wayninja]

Originally posted by Wotsa:

Originally posted by Xander:

No he just uses names like jerk, pedantic, ect. Calls people trolls, blames (edit:Well that was an oddly censored word?)

Troll and pedantic aren't insults. Honestly, many gamers are far too pedantic. Calling people jerks is iffy depending on how, where, and why it was said. However, in the arguement between Toquio3 and Omni, none of these things were said.

And for me, you've lost all credibility in your argument. You've gone to great lengths to show how "acting like a jerk" is awful and deserving of a ban, but flat out calling someone a jerk is just fine because it's true.

That's selectivity at it's finest.

[toroid]

I don't see anything wrong with what Toquio3 has said. It's just honest unfiltered feedback from a frustrated customer. He's only guilty of having an unpopular opinion.

Wotsa must be the unpopular opinion police... which pretty much makes him a tool.. which is one step away from being a snitch.

[wayninja]

I agree, the content of the posts are far more negative than than the actual word choice, which means that the opinion is what was offensive.

I'm not saying toquio didn't do anything wrong at all, but a perma-ban? No, I don't see it there. I just don't.

[Iki]

Originally posted by Brassqund:

Take that like you want but here;
Termination. Chucklefish may terminate your access to all or any part of the Website at any time, with or without cause, with or without notice, effective immediately. If you wish to terminate this Agreement or your Starbound.com account (if you have one), you may simply discontinue using the Website. All provisions of this Agreement which by their nature should survive termination shall survive termination, including, without limitation, ownership provisions, warranty disclaimers, indemnity and limitations of liability.

http://playstarbound.com/terms-of-service/

Well, that makes it allright then!

Consider me convinced.

[Tweed]

Originally posted by Iki:

Originally posted by Brassqund:

Take that like you want but here;
Termination. Chucklefish may terminate your access to all or any part of the Website at any time, with or without cause, with or without notice, effective immediately. If you wish to terminate this Agreement or your Starbound.com account (if you have one), you may simply discontinue using the Website. All provisions of this Agreement which by their nature should survive termination shall survive termination, including, without limitation, ownership provisions, warranty disclaimers, indemnity and limitations of liability.

http://playstarbound.com/terms-of-service/

Well, that makes it allright then!

Consider me convinced.

Everyone's got fine print like that, doesn't stop them from looking like the secret police.

[orange peel]

:O amazing!

[GrimCreaper]

Originally posted by Tweed:

Originally posted by Grimcreaper:

holy hell im glad you found those lol. "Unfair" ban my arse. Half those posts are Time Out worthy. Too freaking good. And this is one of the people that others are flocking to for their information. "LOOK! He was BANNED UNFAIRLY! Dont EVER go into their forums and criticise them!"

No real criticism in there, just blatant insulting and toxic posting.

Lol u so mad

lol im so mad bro :D

[orange peel]

no one understand how free speech works

[GrimCreaper]

Very true. Very very few people actually know what free speech means and then they tend to make an ass out of themselves pretty badly.

[ravenscroftranch]

if i want to go into a forum and say "this game sucks dont get it the devs are unfriendly twords the community and they focus too much on OTHER GAMES" frankly i can if that is my opinion on said game no matter my tone...
the point of early access is to point out problems with the game development if the problem is lack of communication and its never adressed darn right i am going to have a heavy tone...
and communication soley on theire forums isent good enough when you branch your business to a diffrent community you participate in that community aswell...
frankly i dont care how they run theire personal site its theire business theire rules theire choice..
thats why i dont use alternate forums very offten ...
but im still dissapointed in lack of proper PR in the steam forums from CF ...
its not a huge deal though at this point its just a bit irritating....
if you dont like how they run theire forums dont go to theire website voice your concerns here because as we all see they do read the forums eventualy do they respond? not offten...
but if the responce is like the last one im ok with them not responding so long as valid issues are adressed with the game...

[Shamanalah]

Beta games (early access) should always come with console box and admins command at hand...

You help test the game... no? at least some command? The Nighty Build proved to me how bad CF are at managing their company.

Nighty Build is only to "prove" to the customer that they are indeed working. But how can you tell that it is really the dev build? And not just another build to make the customer happy (which probably is, I bet some command cannot be run).

Again, Nighty build didn't bring anythiing to Starbound, it was just something to show the community "hey we are working"... just WORK on it? Someone at CF actually took their time OFF THE GAME to actually implement nighty build into Steam? As easy as it is... they spent time doing that instead of updating Starbound, as any Early Access game should do...

There should be admin console secret hiding spot IN Starbound so that you can already spawn everything IMO, not having another build for it