[Lore/Story] What about the Novakid?

[Two-Tu]

Playing through the story, I have noticed, that there isn't anything involving the Novakid. I feel like they are completely neglected in the Starbound universe.

Will there be more related to them in the future?

[TSP]

Originally posted by Two-Tu:

Will there be more related to them in the future?

If yes, not in Starbound 1.

[MysticMalevolence]

Apparently, as I was informed, that last divine monologue from the cultivator "implies" the novakid are the remains of the cultivator.
It seems like a really threadbare connection to me, hardly well implied and much less concerned, and I don't to believe it, but eh, that's what some people are utterly convinced of.
The idea seems to be that novakid don't record things due to their short attention spans, but I very much wish they had more concrete lore.
Couldn't they at least have oral traditions and stories passed down through generations until recorded by some scholar that encountered them? Tales that are only barely believable, but novakid "history" nonetheless.
But... sorry for the tangent.

[Azure Fang]

Originally posted by Dylan the Cartographer:

Apparently, as I was informed, that last divine monologue from the cultivator "implies" the novakid are the remains of the cultivator.
It seems like a really threadbare connection to me, hardly well implied and much less concerned, and I don't to believe it, but eh, that's what some people are utterly convinced of.
The idea seems to be that novakid don't record things due to their short attention spans, but I very much wish they had more concrete lore.
Couldn't they at least have oral traditions and stories passed down through generations until recorded by some scholar that encountered them? Tales that are only barely believable, but novakid "history" nonetheless.
But... sorry for the tangent.

Their official description more infers that their existence is attributed to randomness, as anything else, reading off of the usage of "emergent beauty". The reason they are not in the story is more likely because, due to their short attention span, any artifact that could have been bestowed upon them would have been kicked into a corner and lost rather quickly. Why entrust anything with such meaning to the entire universe to a race that don't even care to keep track of themselves?

Production-wise, Novakid are a "bonus race", created due to meeting a stretch goal. They never really had any lore written for them, so when the lore, quest, and progression revision happened in the last release before 1.0, Novakid were likely left out as there was never anything really to revise.

As to the issue with no history, there is technically some, but only as written by other races that have encountered them. The Novakid just don't care to keep their own history. Bietol, the creator of the Novakid concept, put it best here:

Oh, yeah, certainly other races have records of encounters with these guys - though for the most part it's stuff like:

   - Year α: encountered a peoples called "Novakid." We spoke briefly, and we gave them the blueprints for radio communication if they are willing to contact us again in the future. They made fun of our appearance, but are otherwise friendly.
   - Year β: second encounter with the Novakid in over a millennium. We spoke briefly, and we gave them the blueprints for hyperwave communication if they are willing to contact us again in the future. They made fun of our appearance, but are otherwise friendly.
   - Year γ: we are beginning to suspect that maybe that these are all the same Novakid, trapped in some sort of time-loop. We are going to take video footage for future comparison.

I suppose if there was a sufficiently old race that met them, there might be clues as to their origin, or if you were to look in the right spot from far enough away you could see some of the events of their past play out (given how long it takes light to travel).

[Moxewolf]

novakid are basicly cowboys and cowgirls trapped in a timeline and loop almost like the butterfly cycle if you don't know what that is play untill dawn but the player never encounters them only when they put down a conoly deed or play as them or even other players or modded game and mosty as well i always thought they never add a server broswer and unturned have one can they updated it starbound have server broswer so other players can play togther? it be awesome and fun and cool.

[lyca]

Maybe when the cultivator died he exploded into a huge mass of energy and the Novakids were created from that energy.

[TSP]

Originally posted by hccarpenter:

novakid are basicly cowboys and cowgirls trapped in a timeline and loop almost like the butterfly cycle if you don't know what that is play untill dawn but the player never encounters them only when they put down a conoly deed or play as them or even other players or modded game and mosty as well i always thought they never add a server broswer and unturned have one can they updated it starbound have server broswer so other players can play togther? it be awesome and fun and cool.

I lost a few braincells reading your wall of text.

Please try adding whitespaces (Like I did right above here), comma's and full-stops (.) after you finish a sentence.

I understand the butterfly effect, and the movie by the same name is awesome. You lost me at "until dawn" combined with "encounters them" and "conoly deed".

Furthermore, I am not sure where the point about "until dawn" ends (Lack of full-stops) and which game is supposed to have a server browser, or not. Once you started talking about unturned (Another game?) and updating their server browser, I completely lost the point of your post.

[Bad Aim Bodyshot Barry]

Originally posted by Two-Tu:

Playing through the story, I have noticed, that there isn't anything involving the Novakid. I feel like they are completely neglected in the Starbound universe.

Will there be more related to them in the future?

yes their will in 1.4 i ran into a dev and asked him about nova kid stuff
he said yes part of the update will i dont know whats beirng added or how much nova-kid stuff he nerver said

[lyca]

Originally posted by plague knight, master of bombs:

Originally posted by Two-Tu:

Playing through the story, I have noticed, that there isn't anything involving the Novakid. I feel like they are completely neglected in the Starbound universe.

Will there be more related to them in the future?

yes their will in 1.4 i ran into a dev and asked him about nova kid stuff
he said yes part of the update will i dont know whats beirng added or how much nova-kid stuff he nerver said

And my uncle works at Chucklefish.

[MysticMalevolence]

Originally posted by Azure Fang:

Production-wise, Novakid are a "bonus race", created due to meeting a stretch goal. They never really had any lore written for them, so when the lore, quest, and progression revision happened in the last release before 1.0, Novakid were likely left out as there was never anything really to revise.

Thing is, a large portion of lore was redone for the same update novakid got added, so it still seems strange to me that the novakid got nothing from that aside from passing mention in a hylotl codex. After all, at that point they had known for years that the novakid would be included in the game (they were a preorder goal!) So, why then, did they not take the opportunity to graft them into the lore? Why didn't they write up a skeleton for how they would fit in the game when they knew they would be added? Sure, they aren't "official" Chucklefish original content, but they are a part of the game, a rather significant one being they're a playable race; don't they deserve to be an integrated part of the game and story, too?

Originally posted by Azure Fang:

The Novakid just don't care to keep their own history.

Naturally, but stories, folktales, and tall tales rooted in vaguely historical events serve the purpose of being boastful or entertaining more than they serve as historic documents. I believe it to be entirely possible to construct a lore and history around the concept that the Novakid have a short attention span and don't necessarily have an interest in history.

As for the artifact... well, nobody here mentioned that, but I'd point out that particular lore is a bit garbled anyway.

I hope there is more about them in the future, I truly do. I find the way they are handled heavily disappointing. Even in a "butterfly effect" or loop they would still generate some experiences, even if it was the same ones over and over, resulting in multiple garbled and mangled variations of the same campfire legends...

I suppose it's a matter of personal opinion, though.

[Maveriknight]

to my understanding, the novakid ARE the basically leftovers from the cultivator, but as has been stated before, the novakid are VERY ADD when it comes to their behavior, and aren't the kind of race that would keep an oral tradition in any useful format and if one DID decide to write down what they knew of their history, it would probably get distracted and lose said written format. the best bet for novakid to be referenced more in lore and codexes is from the perspective of other races encountering them, and given novakid seldom settle down in any real notable fashion, and are really not terribly organized when it comes to their culture, giving them a key to the gate is guaranteed to end badly. no semi-intelligent race would entrust something that CAN'T be lost for the universe's sake to a race that would probably use it as a poker chip in the next asteroid saloon over.

That said, it's important to remember the game can and will undoubtedly be updated for a while to come, meaning more novakid related content will almost certainly come in time.

[TSP]

Originally posted by Maveriknight:

would probably use it as a poker chip in the next asteroid saloon over.

To the Novakid's defense, the next asteroid saloon over has some sick poker games going on.

[Maveriknight]

that's true, but you gotta know when to fold.

[TSP]

Originally posted by Maveriknight:

that's true, but you gotta know when to fold.

I don't know, being in the position of a Novakid, I would agree that trading some stupid key for a ton of poker chips is a really good deal!

[Rockets Jump on Rocket Jumps]

Originally posted by Dylan the Cartographer:

Apparently, as I was informed, that last divine monologue from the cultivator "implies" the novakid are the remains of the cultivator.
It seems like a really threadbare connection to me, hardly well implied and much less concerned, and I don't to believe it, but eh, that's what some people are utterly convinced of.
The idea seems to be that novakid don't record things due to their short attention spans, but I very much wish they had more concrete lore.
Couldn't they at least have oral traditions and stories passed down through generations until recorded by some scholar that encountered them? Tales that are only barely believable, but novakid "history" nonetheless.
But... sorry for the tangent.

[WARNING SPOILERS]
you mean at the end of the game where you blow up, and the cultivator says that parts of it were scattered across the universe? by that it meant the novakid?

[MysticMalevolence]

Originally posted by F r i e d M e m e D i n n e r:

[WARNING SPOILERS]
you mean at the end of the game where you blow up, and the cultivator says that parts of it were scattered across the universe? by that it meant the novakid?

I apologize for the confusion. Yes, that is the bit in question. No, it is not confirmed to be so, nor is that specifically what that line implies. That was simply a personal tangent I had allowed to cloud my response in a lapse of judgement.

Originally posted by Maveriknight:

and aren't the kind of race that would keep an oral tradition in any useful format and if one DID decide to write down what they knew of their history, it would probably get distracted and lose said written format.

Well, that's why I had suggested that the novakid simply keep the storytelling going while third-party scholars (read: not novakid) record them.