Sadly, co-op is much worse in Dark Souls than Demon Souls

[☢Ｄιαмση∂ѕρι∂єя☢]

I played and absolutely loved Demons Souls. Co-oped the entire game with my friend and found it challenging and fun. Yes, we got invaded a few times, but we won about half the time and the other half it was an obvious exploit build that caused us to barely lose... no huge biggie...

Dark Souls? We just started co-op last night in room after bridge Wyvern... 10 seconds go by... "You are being invaded!" My buddy (L15) is unhollow and I'm a spirit, invader walks up and one hits him with his shield up: result, instant death due to lightening upgrades. In the mean time, I do a jumping backstab on him with my club (I'm level 13), it takes off about 10% of his hit points and he turns and one-hit kills me.

He summons me again, 10 seconds later, same thing happens with another guy... same thing once again...

...sorry, this is totally screwed. We don't really care why this is the case, but the game is broken and uplayable co-op at this point. For those who want to say that we have to use the same obviously rediculous exploits that allow a L15 invader to one hit us, if we want to co-op: you are idiots.

[Phynx]

They have to go beat up up newbies because they can't win in a fair fight. I feel kind of bad for them.

[☢Ｄιαмση∂ѕρι∂єя☢]

I'll say it yet again, because you gankers don't get it: Demons Souls didn't have this problem. We were able to co-op the entire game with reasonable challenges and a minor number of invasions. Dark Souls has constant gank invasions: that is my point. I played Demon's Souls over 100 hours, I know what I'm talking about. Denying this only shows that you are not reading my posts: it isnt' an opinion, it is experiential fact.

[☢Ｄιαмση∂ѕρι∂єя☢]

I don't feel bad for them, they are raking in humanity doing exactly what Dark Souls allows. As I said, yes, we could spend 50 hours playing through game with exploits to be able to play it again and take these guys out, but we would like to simply experince the game fresh and without resorting to exploits: too much to ask? For Demon's Souls: No. For Dark Souls: Yes.

[Ashen]

World wide servers do that.

[☢Ｄιαмση∂ѕρι∂єя☢]

No, idiotically allowing upgrading weapons to many times their power without increasing the stat requirements will do that.

Stated otherwise, relying on level to determine a "fair fight" when equipment is 99% of what levels the playing field, is inanely stupid. It is quite obvious they they intended players to level up as they played. NOT leveling and thowing firebomb on everything through the game, just so you can gank low levels was obviously not intended: oh, wait, they haven't fixed it, so I actually think it IS intended: which is horribly design leading to what is occurring.

[Ashen]

Newsflash, you could do that in Demons Souls too. I did it with Demonbrandt.

[Lagoon]

It's not broken, people are just dbags and like to twink (make a low level char, keep it low level so they can invade other low levels, and do so with endgame gear). You could do it in Demon's Souls too, its just that Dark Souls has enjoyed a much bigger playerbase then Demon's Souls, so there are more dbags.

[RageQuit]

just a noob question, i thought there's "internal clock" that prevent player constantly get invade?? like u can only get them every 10 mins?

[Miyuki]

Originally posted by diamondspider:

I played Demon's Souls over 100 hours, I know what I'm talking about.

Playing a game for over 100 hours does not mean you have experianced every possible situation the game had to offer. What your describing could occur in Demon Souls, and it also occurs in Dark Souls. Is it an exploit? No, people are just playing the game without leveling up. Quite a few poeple do things such as that as challenges. Don't expect it to be "fixed" because its not broken in the first place. Any player could do the same thing it just takes time and patience.

[stinky]

Game isn't "broken". I co-op'd just fine, even though the multiplayer element is just as stupid as it was in Demon's Souls and just as stupid as you seem to be. If you truly are a Demon's Souls veteran, then you should feel right at home. It's difficult, deal with it.

[stinky]

Originally posted by diamondspider:

No, idiotically allowing upgrading weapons to many times their power without increasing the stat requirements will do that.

Stated otherwise, relying on level to determine a "fair fight" when equipment is 99% of what levels the playing field, is inanely stupid. It is quite obvious they they intended players to level up as they played. NOT leveling and thowing firebomb on everything through the game, just so you can gank low levels was obviously not intended: oh, wait, they haven't fixed it, so I actually think it IS intended: which is horribly design leading to what is occurring.

Also, upgrading has its ups and downs. Choosing an elemental upgrade over a normal upgrade strips the weapon of its most useful feature: THE PARAMETER BONUS. I've slaughtered hordes of chumps like the one you encountered without the need of an elemental upgrade.

[webcider]

lets bring demon souls to PC's :D

[Mazzle Dazzle]

You invite the bad spirits with the good. Everytime I've played as a human it inevitably ended with a ganking by a guy with dual lightning swords casting weird magic and doing crazy stuff early in the game. I don't know why they did this, but they did. Still I don't blame them, I just seek to join the darkmoon coventant and slaughter those who do. I know you want to co-op with a friend but lets face it, this game isn't meant for co-op. It's for alienating you, crushing your hopes and kicking you while you are down.

[PerfectLife]

People tend to invade with Lightning weapons because most things are weak to it and they're playing the game of numbers. So far though, I've been invaded twice. Once I wasn't in the mood for it because RAGEFACE and the second time the dude was just wasting my time refusing to engage.

Also, most of the "cool kids" played on consoles and already have the game down while us PC noobs are all "lol what is this" or we're hacking because: lols.

[Omaeka]

the pc platform is going to have more of this type of thing than the consoles, i remember running in to about 10 twinks maybe in my entire time playing dark souls on the 360, ive ran in to about 30 so far, thank god they all suck.