Fat Rolling and Bosses

[LordCosmic]

Hey everyone, hope everyone's controllers and keyboards are still intact! I already played through the game over six times, but I always used a quick dex build and got a little tired of that. I decided to go with a tank build with big weapons; currently using a +15 Greataxe.

I clearly went with a heavy armor/fat roll build and it works out just fine versus most monsters in the game, but when it comes down to bosses I mostly have no luck at even tanking the hits very well, so I always resort to fighting bosses naked with weapon and shield for the movement bonus, which is how I beat the game all the way through NG+3. I know that fat rolling boss fights is possible (killed a few such as Fire Sage Demon after a few tries and Gaping Dragon is no sweat), but not as easy without getting smacked around a ton.

I was just wondering if there were any dedicated fat rollers out there and how their progress went with the bosses and if they have taken off their armor or just pumped endurance to 40+ to beat these guys. I realize that GA has a rather slow moveset which doesn't really help me out much, feel free to post your weapon usage as well!

[Phemeto]

use a great shield and PLENTY of endurance and stamina grass. its not too bad then

[Forblaze]

Yeah, blocking with a greatshield is preferable to fat rolling.

[Rep]

Greatshields work awesome for tanks. Rolling pretty much takes the back seat. If you can use Havel's shield, you can tank virtually every attack. But, like Phemeto mentioned, be sure to have plenty of blossoms with you, as blocking very powerful attacks will sap your stamina quickly.

[Nickolas Aelius]

Giants armor set, havel shield & zweihander or BK Great Axe, all the way through game. Rings: phys/lightning/magic/fire protection depends of situation and cloranthy ring. Block & eat all damage. No problem with all bosses. But in PVP reallly sucks.

[WARBOSS KRUMP]

I did a fat tarkus playtrhrough before. I clung to my black iron greatshield when fighting bosses like Artorias and O&S. It helped a ♥♥♥♥ load

[LordCosmic]

I am jealous of people who can sucessfully do fat roll in PvP it looks crazy good so long as they dont get BSed, I am sure there is a method somewhere on youtube and a lot of practice/patience. I did totally forget I had Havel's shield with me, but I had placed it in my bottomless box right after - I was thinking grass crest shield wouldnt be too great for this unless going berserk 2 handed great weapon of some sort.

[Ambugaton]

Along these same lines, I've been playing with a heavier build myself. And this is an embarassingly noobish question, but: is there something special about the murakamo? I ask because I''ve invaded one guy a few times who uses one, and even experimenting and having a black great iron shield up seems to do nothing: a HUGE amount of damage goes through, and it doesn't seem to be elemental. Like two hits and I'm dead type damage.

[Ambugaton]

Xero2k eredeti hozzászólása:

I am jealous of people who can sucessfully do fat roll in PvP it looks crazy good so long as they dont get BSed, I am sure there is a method somewhere on youtube and a lot of practice/patience. I did totally forget I had Havel's shield with me, but I had placed it in my bottomless box right after - I was thinking grass crest shield wouldnt be too great for this unless going berserk 2 handed great weapon of some sort.

I'm playing with heavy weapons in PvP the last couple days, and the beserk 2 handed thing is a blast, but so far I'm not very good at it. It's been all or nothing: short fights one way or the other. For me I'm usually on the "nothing" end of that equation :P

[LordCosmic]

@ phreejazz

I haven't personally used the Murakumo much, but according to http://darksouls.wikidot.com/murakumo a +15 murakumo will do 282 physical damage and scales with DEX, so unfortunately if you're rolling a heavy STR build you probably won't get very much use out of this.

As for why you are being taken out so easily there are a few things to consider. Are you getting staggered easily? If so consider your poise. It apparently takes a minimum of 53 poise to not be stagged by one light hit from the Murakumo with a 2handed R1 attack. Refer to http://darksouls.wikidot.com/poise. The Murakumo is considered a Curved Greatsword. Unfortunately Curved Greatsword is not found in the next chart for poise drain, but I would imagine that it would be somewhere in the greatsword range of 35 per light hit. This is a fast weapon so even guarding you will have your poise be taken down by 35 or so until you are eventually staggered.

If you are doing a fat roll it should be assumed that you have at least some heavy armor on which would negate a a bit of physical damage also assuming that they were not using an elemental resin on their weapon. Murakumo does slashing damage which heavy armor is highly resistant to. Refer to http://darksouls.wikidot.com/armor under heavier sets 1-2. These would be the reasons I think you had this weapon cut through you so easily and the player might have been really skilled.

Unfortunately with the use of Greatshields you cannot parry which might have been better off for you in that fight being that the shield wasn't holding up much and Murakumo might have just enough reach to succeed with some dead angle gameplay as well. Hope this helps best of luck to you and PM me if you'd like to know more.

[Ambugaton]

Xero2k eredeti hozzászólása:

@ phreejazz

I haven't personally used the Murakumo much, but according to http://darksouls.wikidot.com/murakumo a +15 murakumo will do 282 physical damage and scales with DEX, so unfortunately if you're rolling a heavy STR build you probably won't get very much use out of this.

As for why you are being taken out so easily there are a few things to consider. Are you getting staggered easily? If so consider your poise. It apparently takes a minimum of 53 poise to not be stagged by one light hit from the Murakumo with a 2handed R1 attack. Refer to http://darksouls.wikidot.com/poise. The Murakumo is considered a Curved Greatsword. Unfortunately Curved Greatsword is not found in the next chart for poise drain, but I would imagine that it would be somewhere in the greatsword range of 35 per light hit. This is a fast weapon so even guarding you will have your poise be taken down by 35 or so until you are eventually staggered.

If you are doing a fat roll it should be assumed that you have at least some heavy armor on which would negate a a bit of physical damage also assuming that they were not using an elemental resin on their weapon. Murakumo does slashing damage which heavy armor is highly resistant to. Refer to http://darksouls.wikidot.com/armor under heavier sets 1-2. These would be the reasons I think you had this weapon cut through you so easily and the player might have been really skilled.

Unfortunately with the use of Greatshields you cannot parry which might have been better off for you in that fight being that the shield wasn't holding up much and Murakumo might have just enough reach to succeed with some dead angle gameplay as well. Hope this helps best of luck to you and PM me if you'd like to know more.

Thanks. That's just it, not staggered, iron greatshield up, decent poise (76+, was goofing around with a tarkus set up, full black iron). It wasn't frustrating, more just funny, like WTF just happened. And just a note, the inability to parry though drives me nuts with greatshields, I end up accidentally trying to parry out of habit lol

[cougurt]

phreejazz eredeti hozzászólása:

Along these same lines, I've been playing with a heavier build myself. And this is an embarassingly noobish question, but: is there something special about the murakamo? I ask because I''ve invaded one guy a few times who uses one, and even experimenting and having a black great iron shield up seems to do nothing: a HUGE amount of damage goes through, and it doesn't seem to be elemental. Like two hits and I'm dead type damage.

you were most likely being dead angled. due to the way blocking works, facing away from your opponent while attacking will allow you to hit them through their shield. weapons with very wide swings work the best, but it's doable even with something like the dragon tooth.