Greatsword of Artorias

[ZargonGaming]

I think the only weapon that annoys the crap out of me its THE GREATSWORD OF ARTORIAS i mean you start out as a mage or cleric and a you didnt put a single point in faith (mage guy) or in inteligence (cleric dude) you transform your precious claymore to the GOA (uncursed because the lower stats) and its stats are :
20-18-18-18
the first time i played this game and did this mistake i throwed the controller out of the living room
I think From Software just did that for trolling

[Forblaze]

You can revert the GSoA back to a +10 Claymore. The Claymore is probably a better weapon anyway

Can't you see what the weapon requirements are before you ascend it though?

[ZargonGaming]

I was one of the first to buy it and it wasnt videos so yeah

[Snooze]

Originally posted by ZargonGaming:

I think the only weapon that annoys the crap out of me its THE GREATSWORD OF ARTORIAS i mean you start out as a mage or cleric and a you didnt put a single point in faith (mage guy) or in inteligence (cleric dude) you transform your precious claymore to the GOA (uncursed because the lower stats) and its stats are :
20-18-18-18
the first time i played this game and did this mistake i throwed the controller out of the living room
I think From Software just did that for trolling

The great sword of artorias is a GREAT sword.

Not saying that because it's a great sword class, its a wonderful sword to use. However it's not a weapon for lower levels because of its scaling. Also; the uncursed version is 24/20/20/20. And has scaling with int, and faith. Its not a sword for use with the lower levels, in any world.

Also; you can tell what version you're making through the damage it does, the uncursed does magic damage ontop of physical, while the cursed only does physical(but still requires int and faith, and has scaling with them, but does no extra damage). not to mention, you can also check from what you're using to make the sword. The uncursed is a BROKEN sword. While the cursed is an UNBROKEN sword.


But yeah, due to its stat reqs, and its scaling, its not a sword to use in the lower levels of the game. you REALLY see its damage at sl150+ if you build correctly, but thats, again, over 120, which is the pvp norm.

[Slug Camargo]

Also, you can make it with any +10 straightsword, why would you sacrifice a unique weapon (and one like the Claymore at that)?

[Forblaze]

Originally posted by Snooze:

The great sword of artorias is a GREAT sword.

Not saying that because it's a great sword class, its a wonderful sword to use.

IMO, the GSoA has very little merit as a weapon outside of a challenge build.

Its scaling doesn't catch up to other weapons' until all your combat stats are at 40+.

At 46/18/20/20, the Demon Greataxe has 150 more AR than the GSoA. At 99/18/20/20, it has 200 more. 99/99/20/20, 100 more. 99/99/99/20, 50 more. The GSoA doesn't catch up to the Demon Greataxe until 99/99/99/70, and then it only has 8 more at 99/99/99/99. So that's 300 levels just to catch up to Demon Greataxe.

So it has a high level requirement just to perform average, and then continues performing average all the way through the end game. Maybe it would be useful in the catacombs at NG+7, but I have a really hard time believing it's anything but mediocre.

[ARF]

gotta read them stats brah, besides what are you doing as a mage that you want the greatsword of artorias, get the moonlight greatsword if anything.

[Glamboro]

Originally posted by Forblaze:

Originally posted by Snooze:

The great sword of artorias is a GREAT sword.

Not saying that because it's a great sword class, its a wonderful sword to use.

IMO, the GSoA has very little merit as a weapon outside of a challenge build.

Its scaling doesn't catch up to other weapons' until all your combat stats are at 40+.

At 46/18/20/20, the Demon Greataxe has 150 more AR than the GSoA. At 99/18/20/20, it has 200 more. 99/99/20/20, 100 more. 99/99/99/20, 50 more. The GSoA doesn't catch up to the Demon Greataxe until 99/99/99/70, and then it only has 8 more at 99/99/99/99. So that's 300 levels just to catch up to Demon Greataxe.

So it has a high level requirement just to perform average, and then continues performing average all the way through the end game. Maybe it would be useful in the catacombs at NG+7, but I have a really hard time believing it's anything but mediocre.

This is all very true. I find it useful only for my 1 toon that I level as high as I can just for playing through the game over and over and doing anything with.

Other toons...I would not bother with it.

[slacker]

Originally posted by zOrg:

Originally posted by Forblaze:

IMO, the GSoA has very little merit as a weapon outside of a challenge build.

Its scaling doesn't catch up to other weapons' until all your combat stats are at 40+.

At 46/18/20/20, the Demon Greataxe has 150 more AR than the GSoA. At 99/18/20/20, it has 200 more. 99/99/20/20, 100 more. 99/99/99/20, 50 more. The GSoA doesn't catch up to the Demon Greataxe until 99/99/99/70, and then it only has 8 more at 99/99/99/99. So that's 300 levels just to catch up to Demon Greataxe.

So it has a high level requirement just to perform average, and then continues performing average all the way through the end game. Maybe it would be useful in the catacombs at NG+7, but I have a really hard time believing it's anything but mediocre.

This is all very true. I find it useful only for my 1 toon that I level as high as I can just for playing through the game over and over and doing anything with.

Other toons...I would not bother with it.

99/99/99/99 Grant still deals 60 more damage than GSoA. In speed and weight terms, GSoA would still win. I prefer Abyss Funsword over GSoA.

[Snooze]

Originally posted by zOrg:

Originally posted by Forblaze:

IMO, the GSoA has very little merit as a weapon outside of a challenge build.

Its scaling doesn't catch up to other weapons' until all your combat stats are at 40+.

At 46/18/20/20, the Demon Greataxe has 150 more AR than the GSoA. At 99/18/20/20, it has 200 more. 99/99/20/20, 100 more. 99/99/99/20, 50 more. The GSoA doesn't catch up to the Demon Greataxe until 99/99/99/70, and then it only has 8 more at 99/99/99/99. So that's 300 levels just to catch up to Demon Greataxe.

So it has a high level requirement just to perform average, and then continues performing average all the way through the end game. Maybe it would be useful in the catacombs at NG+7, but I have a really hard time believing it's anything but mediocre.

This is all very true. I find it useful only for my 1 toon that I level as high as I can just for playing through the game over and over and doing anything with.

Other toons...I would not bother with it.

If you take it just as a faith weapon; and look at the minimum stats req to use it, grant is better.But if you just level the stats that need the GS of art, without piling 50 into str, then it's your best bet, next to the Dragon slayer spear. Especially if you don't want to file in the White titanite to level a divine weapon to +10.

For an int weapon, things become clouded, as it still deals more damage than the moonlight great sword, at BASE stats required to use them, however thats not a large accomplishment, as even the Flamberge, Claymore, Manserpent, And even the Bstrd sword deal more damage when prefixed with magic.

You gotta also consider the moveset for the sword as well, a lot of people don't but the r2's have about as much force in them as the r2s for most heavy weapons. both 1h and 2h, though large start up, and easy to parry if the person is decent, can throw back all but the heavier armors, but still push them considerably far back.

I mean, Yeah, of course the demon great axe is better than the GSOA, its a completely different catagory, While we're at it, why don't we factor in the great axe, Zwei, BKGS, and BKGA?


Edit; Take this character, I just drafted this up in a couple of minutes.
http://mmdks.com/1rjx

The bstrd sword, People could argure that going Normal, And using buffs would make it a far better weapon, but thats not the case, this is just showing that when push comes to shove, when you want to make a character thats a little bit of everything, but not a full on hulk face smasher, or a spell flinging mage, the GSOA is the best bet for a weapon. Even swapping it to the Manserpent great sword; It's still better. But its by a margin. Hardly negligible if you ask me, the only reason to use the GSOA at that point, over the bstard sword, would be preference, As said 하늘 would rather use the Abyss version, despite it being weaker, because the moveset is more amusing

[slacker]

Originally posted by Snooze:

Originally posted by zOrg:

This is all very true. I find it useful only for my 1 toon that I level as high as I can just for playing through the game over and over and doing anything with.

Other toons...I would not bother with it.

If you take it just as a faith weapon; and look at the minimum stats req to use it, grant is better.But if you just level the stats that need the GS of art, without piling 50 into str, then it's your best bet, next to the Dragon slayer spear. Especially if you don't want to file in the White titanite to level a divine weapon to +10.

For an int weapon, things become clouded, as it still deals more damage than the moonlight great sword, at BASE stats required to use them, however thats not a large accomplishment, as even the Flamberge, Claymore, Manserpent, And even the Bstrd sword deal more damage when prefixed with magic.

You gotta also consider the moveset for the sword as well, a lot of people don't but the r2's have about as much force in them as the r2s for most heavy weapons. both 1h and 2h, though large start up, and easy to parry if the person is decent, can throw back all but the heavier armors, but still push them considerably far back.

I mean, Yeah, of course the demon great axe is better than the GSOA, its a completely different catagory, While we're at it, why don't we factor in the great axe, Zwei, BKGS, and BKGA?


Edit; Take this character, I just drafted this up in a couple of minutes.
http://mmdks.com/1rjx

The bstrd sword, People could argure that going Normal, And using buffs would make it a far better weapon, but thats not the case, this is just showing that when push comes to shove, when you want to make a character thats a little bit of everything, but not a full on hulk face smasher, or a spell flinging mage, the GSOA is the best bet for a weapon. Even swapping it to the Manserpent great sword; It's still better. But its by a margin. Hardly negligible if you ask me, the only reason to use the GSOA at that point, over the bstard sword, would be preference, As said 하늘 would rather use the Abyss version, despite it being weaker, because the moveset is more amusing

The Abyss Funsword scales with Humanity, it's barely stronger than the Cursed GSoA with 10 humanity, but cursed is still better for the physical damage if you have none or little humanity. The Abyss Funsword's moveset is highly amusing and the if you land the 2 Hand strong attack ANYTHING will be staggered or knocked down depending on the size of what you are having fun with (not telling you the surprise).

[Snooze]

Originally posted by 하늘:

Originally posted by Snooze:

If you take it just as a faith weapon; and look at the minimum stats req to use it, grant is better.But if you just level the stats that need the GS of art, without piling 50 into str, then it's your best bet, next to the Dragon slayer spear. Especially if you don't want to file in the White titanite to level a divine weapon to +10.

For an int weapon, things become clouded, as it still deals more damage than the moonlight great sword, at BASE stats required to use them, however thats not a large accomplishment, as even the Flamberge, Claymore, Manserpent, And even the Bstrd sword deal more damage when prefixed with magic.

You gotta also consider the moveset for the sword as well, a lot of people don't but the r2's have about as much force in them as the r2s for most heavy weapons. both 1h and 2h, though large start up, and easy to parry if the person is decent, can throw back all but the heavier armors, but still push them considerably far back.

I mean, Yeah, of course the demon great axe is better than the GSOA, its a completely different catagory, While we're at it, why don't we factor in the great axe, Zwei, BKGS, and BKGA?


Edit; Take this character, I just drafted this up in a couple of minutes.
http://mmdks.com/1rjx

The bstrd sword, People could argure that going Normal, And using buffs would make it a far better weapon, but thats not the case, this is just showing that when push comes to shove, when you want to make a character thats a little bit of everything, but not a full on hulk face smasher, or a spell flinging mage, the GSOA is the best bet for a weapon. Even swapping it to the Manserpent great sword; It's still better. But its by a margin. Hardly negligible if you ask me, the only reason to use the GSOA at that point, over the bstard sword, would be preference, As said 하늘 would rather use the Abyss version, despite it being weaker, because the moveset is more amusing

The Abyss Funsword scales with Humanity, it's barely stronger than the Cursed GSoA with 10 humanity, but cursed is still better for the physical damage if you have none or little humanity. The Abyss Funsword's moveset is highly amusing and the if you land the 2 Hand strong attack ANYTHING will be staggered or knocked down depending on the size of what you are having fun with (not telling you the surprise).

Thats the same with all the Artorias sword r2s though.

[Jazz]

it does tell you what the req is before you make it.

[ScottMass]

so what is best weapon for faith? (other than orenstein spear)