havel ring or grain ring?

[Tendril, Knight in Yellow]

I've heard some talk that the ninja flip ring is somehow better than havles. how?

[Cadam]

The ninja flip ring makes you "roll" faster. In a normal roll you have 0.6-0.7 (?) seconds of invulnerability but with the Darkwood Grain ring equipped the amount of time you're invulnerable for is slightly longer making a really good ring. If you want more information look it up on the wiki.

[Tendril, Knight in Yellow]

hey thank you so much for the input!

[Kee]

Well, before patch 1.5 Wood grain ring was stupidly broken as people in heavy and medium armor were flipping around like ninjas.
Havel ring lets you carry much more weapons and heavier armor and still fast roll. ninja ring, like said above, gives you a much larger invincibility window (As well as the fact that flipping is faster than a person running). Alot of players, no offence to Japan/ China, love to abuse the flip to roll/chain backstab.

[Zamus]

Originally posted by SeraZ:

Well, before patch 1.5 Wood grain ring was stupidly broken as people in heavy and medium armor were flipping around like ninjas.

Pretty much this, pre-patch if you intended to stay on light roll dwgr gave you more availible weight than Havel did while also giving you the ninja flip because you could still ninja roll at 50%.

Right now however dwrg only works if you are at 25% no longer giving you that free 25% weight.