So... Why is this version better than the Remaster?

[JoJoFan87]

I ask because I bought this piece of sh*t for the full price of $40+ and I felt ripped off. It was a terrible shoddy port of a great game that the devs barely put any effort into. Capped at 30fps on PC, check. sh*tty Keyboard/Mouse controls, check. $40+ wasted, check. Having to rely on the fandom to fix your terrible port, check.

I bought this in hopes that I would have a wonderful experience many years ago, which now I am having a better time with the Remastered than this game. (Should of been given to people who got f*cked over originally but a permanent discount on the game works I guess)

Anyway please tell me why people continue to play this, I assume it's because people fixed it with mods but even me modding it with the DSfix didn't work so I gave up and bought the Remaster.

P.S Yes I am a tad bit mad about the whole situation but do keep in mind I am not asking this out of hatred rather curiosity, so yeah please do explain why you play this over the Remaster.

[NightmareGats]

Cause its the true way to feel the Dark Souls experience

[JoJoFan87]

Originally posted by Dexter411:

1. Mods
2. Different glitches(speedruns or whatever)
3. no banhammer meaning you can play modded game with someone else
4. less/different people play this version

Remaster is still a pile of ♥♥♥♥ anyway, the only thing they fixed is somehow steady 60fps and ok connection to others, rest is still a pile of ♥♥♥♥

and why is it "sh*tty"

[Justice]

Terrible graphic changes made game look worse, colour palete, very poor ligtning/shading (or even lack of any shading, depth on textures. Partialy or entire textures details not visible). Your character and armour look like made of plastic instead of actual skin and metal

[Justice]

https://youtu.be/n2eos3V7jTI
2:00 , 24:00 , 44:14 , 1:05:20
Here is good example why Remaster is a downgrade

[Squerol]

Except what mr Justice already said:
- pvp is muuuch less technical in demaster because dead angles got removed (and it was used in tons od technics) - pvp is even more lagstab focused now, netcode is still trash,
- additional matchmaking rule (by weapon upgrade level) which limits matchmaking even more and doesn't fix twinking,
- changed healing rules during online interactions - limited estus only, humanity doesn't heal now if You are phantom. You are fked up for example during ganks or tournaments now...
- immersion-breaking covenant system change,
- increased player count limit at same time so prepare to be ganked even harder because more phantoms at same time + no dead angles + stupidly restricted healing,

Btw by graphical and artstyle changes game totally lost its identity and specific atmosphere. But well, that happens when You outsource remaster to different devteam lmao

[Agarillobob]

*Demaster

[JoJoFan87]

Originally posted by Evil:

Use DSFix instead of buying remaster or demaster tho

I have used it, it never worked.

[AnKalameet]

Originally posted by JoJoFan87:

Originally posted by Evil:

Use DSFix instead of buying remaster or demaster tho

I have used it, it never worked.

Complaining about the 30fps cap is dumb. It's bad practice to tie game engine mechanics to frame speed, but remaster didn't fix that, they just superficially boosted everything to 60fps. I say superficially because some of the same issues seen on ptde when boosting fps are present in remaster. Besides which, trying to boost fps beyond 60 in remaster still results in wild problems, the same as in ptde, and the same is true in reverse if anything causes frames to dip. Game looks fine with 30 fps anyway.

And yeah, bad keyboard support. Cry some more. The port is notoriously bad but we've known that forever. People can still play on keyboard at a high level, it just takes getting used to it. Community keyboard fixes came out within weeks of the port's release. Remaster was basically just a $20 QoL fix with a ton of visual and aesthetic downgrades, when most of those QoL fixes had already been released for free by the community with no downside. Why bother.

[JoJoFan87]

Originally posted by AnKalameet:

Originally posted by JoJoFan87:

I have used it, it never worked.

Complaining about the 30fps cap is dumb. It's bad practice to tie game engine mechanics to frame speed, but remaster didn't fix that, they just superficially boosted everything to 60fps. I say superficially because some of the same issues seen on ptde when boosting fps are present in remaster. Besides which, trying to boost fps beyond 60 in remaster still results in wild problems, the same as in ptde, and the same is true in reverse if anything causes frames to dip. Game looks fine with 30 fps anyway.

And yeah, bad keyboard support. Cry some more. The port is notoriously bad but we've known that forever. People can still play on keyboard at a high level, it just takes getting used to it. Community keyboard fixes came out within weeks of the port's release. Remaster was basically just a $20 QoL fix with a ton of visual and aesthetic downgrades, when most of those QoL fixes had already been released for free by the community with no downside. Why bother.

Would rather take Remastered over ptde for the fact I don't have to mod to get improvements.

[Наёмник]

Originally posted by JoJoFan87:

Originally posted by AnKalameet:

Complaining about the 30fps cap is dumb. It's bad practice to tie game engine mechanics to frame speed, but remaster didn't fix that, they just superficially boosted everything to 60fps. I say superficially because some of the same issues seen on ptde when boosting fps are present in remaster. Besides which, trying to boost fps beyond 60 in remaster still results in wild problems, the same as in ptde, and the same is true in reverse if anything causes frames to dip. Game looks fine with 30 fps anyway.

And yeah, bad keyboard support. Cry some more. The port is notoriously bad but we've known that forever. People can still play on keyboard at a high level, it just takes getting used to it. Community keyboard fixes came out within weeks of the port's release. Remaster was basically just a $20 QoL fix with a ton of visual and aesthetic downgrades, when most of those QoL fixes had already been released for free by the community with no downside. Why bother.

Would rather take Remastered over ptde for the fact I don't have to mod to get improvements.

The remaster has a terrible camera if you play with the keyboard and mouse. Automatic rotation of the camera when walking on the stairs, when strafe left and right. And if you fix it, you can easily get banned. There is a modification in ptde that fixes this.
The remaster does not work with weak hardware, which is not slowed down in ptde. I can only play it on my laptop by speeding it up through speedhack.
The game still hasn't received one-button special hits, it's about a kick, a jump shot. All this could be implemented in the management settings.
None of the ds1s are the best.
One very good plus remastered for me, no black bands on the 5:4 monitor.

[JellyPuff]

This version overall isn't better(*). Remaster just doesn't offer anything worthwhile to PtdE owners on PC. At least not anything, that shouldn't have been addressed in a patch for this horrible PC port. If a modder could do it (for the most part) within 8 hours after launch, then there is no excuse, that FromSoft couldn't have also done it proper, between it's release and the release of DSR.

But if you've never played Dark Souls and don't already own PtdE, assuming it would still also be sold on Steam, then there's no reason to play PtdE over DSR, unless you want to use a specific mod only made for PtdE.

(*)DSR requires a dx11 GPU and one that is able to consistently hit 60FPS, due to game's speed being tied to framerate. This makes PtdE better for ultra low-end players, because it's the only one they can even play at all.

[undakovrist]

This topic has been discussed to death about a billion times and obviously the Remaster is the choice for OP. PtDE is specifically better in terms of high level PvP because of Remaster changing balance in a number of ways (Curved sword stunlock, lack of DA/Ghost, more inconsistent kick > r1 on many weapons, etc). For anything else the Remaster is fine and easier. Doesn't stop it from being a trash money grab though.

[Gypruzz]

Demaster is still Demaster, I know, but even the Demaster got its good qualities: you can consume more items at once, and also offer more items at once in the covenants... And it's 60 fps. REAL 60 fps, not like with the DSfix... The difference it's pretty notable. But I still prefer the original anyway, even if I have to offer 80 items for some Covenants... Oh, and if you only got a console and no decent PC, then the Demaster is your only choice for the 8th generation.

[patrixilentius]

I'm currently at the end of my first DS:PtDE (beat the remaster maybe 5 times), I'm using DSfix and some graphics mods, and I've gotta be honest: it's playable, but DS:R works 10 times better for me.
Everything is better in the newer version, because they fixed a lot of small and big things in it, they just didn't fix enough. And considering you can mod the hell out of the original almost up to the level of the remaster (or maybe even higher, I don't know all the great mods people have come up with over the years) for free, the price of 40 bucks seems like a rip off to many.
But not for me, I'd rather pay for a smoother gameplay, than struggle with a PC port that just wasn't good.
With that said, I still think a true Dark Souls fan should have that "old school" experience checked on their list.
Like with vanilla Dark Souls II, which is far inferior than SotFS in my opinion.

[zer0maru]

anyone got a spare key?