Best Strength Weapons?

[Mr. Vulcanator]

I'm gonna try strength stuff again soon, so what weapons do you recomend?

Is the Demon's Greataxe just the flat out best thanks to it's S rank STR scaling and high damage?

[Paul Bunyom]

Originally posted by Mr. Vulcanator:

I'm gonna try strength stuff again soon, so what weapons do you recomend?

Is the Demon's Greataxe just the flat out best thanks to it's S rank STR scaling and high damage?

Zweihander or bust I say. 2hand R2 will stun anything but the largest giants, and it's so much fun stunlocking ♥♥♥♥, can pretty much carry you to late game and through NG+ too, a good perminant weapon. Takes a ton of STR to wield, even more to 1hand, but worth it.

[ChaosBahamut]

Originally posted by Mr. Vulcanator:

I'm gonna try strength stuff again soon, so what weapons do you recomend?

Is the Demon's Greataxe just the flat out best thanks to it's S rank STR scaling and high damage?

Damage wise, it is, but it requires a LOT of STR. (46 to one-hand, two-handing will lower the requirement to 31 STR though but that's still a lot so keep that in mind)

The Black Knight GS has good STR scaling (B grade) and requires 32 STR to one-hand so that would work pretty well on a mostly dedicated STR build until you can use the DGA. (also requires 18 dex, hence 'mostly dedicated') If you want something lighter and faster though, can't go wrong with the Man-Serpent Greatsword. Requires 24 STR, starts with B grade STR scaling and ends up with A grade.

[AnKalameet]

The issue with strength weapons is that while some like the DGA are very powerful at high strength their movesets are generally bad. Strength weapons in pvp basically means hornet bs time, since if you don't fish you'll almost certainly backstabbed yourself when you swing your gigantic weapon. I would argue that the Man-Serpent Greatsword is probably your best bet as it has the most useful/usable moveset that won't get you immediately backstabbed. It doesn't have the ridiculous damage of the DGA or DGM but high AR isn't what makes a weapon good. The BKGA is pretty good as well.

[Jej]

Claymore or Zweihander. I've been using the claymore for pretty much 80% of the game.

[Sure, Not]

claymore is dex & str, not only str, same for zwei hander... im sick to rode ppl saying "zwei is str weapon" it is not. str weapon are clubs, axes, deamon's weapons, most of BK weapon, and few unique weapon, like dragon punch, man serpent greatsword and surely some i missed... but not zwei, or claymore, its quality weapon, need dex and str, like tarkus ultragreatsword...

[Odysseus]

great club , my WoC

[Kerg]

Originally posted by Zaheer:

claymore is dex & str, not only str, same for zwei hander... im sick to rode ppl saying "zwei is str weapon" it is not. str weapon are clubs, axes, deamon's weapons, most of BK weapon, and few unique weapon, like dragon punch, man serpent greatsword and surely some i missed... but not zwei, or claymore, its quality weapon, need dex and str, like tarkus ultragreatsword...

Agree with you on claymore, which is .51/.51, but the zweihander and greatsword are .60/.26 and swing faster than the big demon weapons. They make fine strength weapons, and you don't need any points in dext to dish out sizeable damage with them. They work well in either a pure strength or quality build.

[CazadorDeLobo]

Mace, Man-Serpent Greatsword.

[xchrisx88]

idk exactly but Man Serpent also gives you either A or S in strength scaling,
but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, its a pain in the butt to farm that thing

[Kerg]

Originally posted by Kerg:

Originally posted by Zaheer:

claymore is dex & str, not only str, same for zwei hander... im sick to rode ppl saying "zwei is str weapon" it is not. str weapon are clubs, axes, deamon's weapons, most of BK weapon, and few unique weapon, like dragon punch, man serpent greatsword and surely some i missed... but not zwei, or claymore, its quality weapon, need dex and str, like tarkus ultragreatsword...

Agree with you on claymore, which is .51/.51, but the zweihander and greatsword are .60/.26 and swing faster than the big demon weapons. They make fine strength weapons, and you don't need any points in dext to dish out sizeable damage with them. They work well in either a pure strength or quality build.

Same point investment....

Demon's Greataxe at 46 Str/12 Dext.... 593.2 AR

Zweihander/GS at 40 Str/18 Dext... 523.5 AR

or if you want to leave Dext at 12 and put those 6 extra points into Vit or End...

Zweihander/GS at 40 Str/12 Dext... 505.8 AR

As the swords swing faster, they're pretty comparable as strength weapons, IMO.

[AnKalameet]

Originally posted by Kerg:

Same point investment....

Demon's Greataxe at 46 Str/12 Dext.... 593.2 AR

Zweihander/GS at 40 Str/18 Dext... 523.5 AR

or if you want to leave Dext at 12 and put those 6 extra points into Vit or End...

Zweihander/GS at 40 Str/12 Dext... 505.8 AR

As the swords swing faster, they're pretty comparable as strength weapons, IMO.

Your math is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wrong. DGA at 46/12 = 654. Zwei/GS at 40/18 = 557. and at 40/12 = 536.

And yet, at 28/40, both are at 611 when 2-handed. That's significant. They're significantly better as quality weapons than strength weapons, and using them as strength weapons is a bit of a waste. The MSGS is a better option than either of the ult. greatswords you mentioned with the stats your using.

[Sure, Not]

Originally posted by AnKalameet:

And yet, at 28/40, both are at 611 when 2-handed. That's significant. They're significantly better as quality weapons than strength weapons, and using them as strength weapons is a bit of a waste. The MSGS is a better option than either of the ult. greatswords you mentioned with the stats your using.

thx An to bring some intel here, it was a real mess

[Kerg]

Originally posted by AnKalameet:

Originally posted by Kerg:

Same point investment....

Demon's Greataxe at 46 Str/12 Dext.... 593.2 AR

Zweihander/GS at 40 Str/18 Dext... 523.5 AR

or if you want to leave Dext at 12 and put those 6 extra points into Vit or End...

Zweihander/GS at 40 Str/12 Dext... 505.8 AR

As the swords swing faster, they're pretty comparable as strength weapons, IMO.

Your math is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wrong. DGA at 46/12 = 654. Zwei/GS at 40/18 = 557. and at 40/12 = 536.

And yet, at 28/40, both are at 611 when 2-handed. That's significant. They're significantly better as quality weapons than strength weapons, and using them as strength weapons is a bit of a waste. The MSGS is a better option than either of the ult. greatswords you mentioned with the stats your using.

Can you show me where my math is wrong? I used the formula from this post...

https://m.reddit.com/r/darksouls/comments/1wk6lq/basic_question_on_weapon_scaling/?utm_source=mweb_redirect&compact=true

TotalAR = BaseAR + BaseAR(ScalingCoefficient)(SaturationValue)

For Demon's Greataxe +15, at Strength 46 and Dext 12...

BaseAR = 285
ScalingCoefficient = 1.25
SaturationValue = .05 + 10(0.035) + 20(0.0225) + 6(0.0025) = 0.865

TotalAR = 285 + 285(1.25)(0.865) = 593.2

Thanks.

[Sure, Not]

hey , KREG ^ , yes you... before doing some math and think you are an engineer of anything, you should just use tool made for it :
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/weapons

and magic came true....

zwei at 40 str 18 dex = ? 557 1 hand, 569 2 hand

[Kerg]

Originally posted by Zaheer:

hey , KREG ^ , yes you... before doing some math and think you are an engineer of anything, you should just use tool made for it :
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/weapons

and magic came true....

But I like doing the math. I like to create my own tools and sortable charts in Excel. It's big part of the fun of gaming, playing with the stats.

Nevermind, AnKalameet, I see what I did wrong. I didn't realize that the ScalingCoefficient increases as you level up the weapon. Should be 1.50, not 1.25. So my math wasn't wrong. One of my variables was. Thanks.

http://darksouls.lljk.net/1.04/weapon/demons_greataxe