Any permanent changes through NG+?

[CtenosaurOaxacana]

There's a lot of stuff that the player can do that is permanent in one playthrough,
especially when it comes to npcs, bosses, and covenants.

But when you start NG+,
you get another chance to accomplish things, or do them another way.

My big question: is anything in the game forever permanent?
Something you can never get the chance to change or do differently,
no matter how many NG+s you go through?

Besides choices made during character creation at the start, of course.

[MaximumEffort]

No. Each NG+ is like a new game. No decision carries over. You only carry over your stats and such, nothing else.

[Lurker at the threshold]

The only persistent "choice" through game cycles that I can think of is how you level up your stats... if you buy the master key (and didn't get it at the start of course) that will also stay in your inventory forever, if you want to count that as a permanent change.

[CtenosaurOaxacana]

Originally posted by ( ͠° ͜ʖ ͠°) ☕:

if you buy the master key (and didn't get it at the start of course) that will also stay in your inventory forever, if you want to count that as a permanent change.

I guess that's technically an example, but it's not like there's any downside to keeping items.
You can still choose to just go other routes sometimes.
I was more curious if there was anything that you can permanently miss, or mess up.

[MaximumEffort]

Originally posted by Vulpes Velox:

Originally posted by ( ͠° ͜ʖ ͠°) ☕:

if you buy the master key (and didn't get it at the start of course) that will also stay in your inventory forever, if you want to count that as a permanent change.

I guess that's technically an example, but it's not like there's any downside to keeping items.
You can still choose to just go other routes sometimes.
I was more curious if there was anything that you can permanently miss, or mess up.

No. Even if you mess something up, next NG everything is reset and you can do it again/a new.

[CtenosaurOaxacana]

Ok, good to know.
In particular, I missed out fighting Kirk in the Depths this playthrough,
so can't get his armor until NG+.
I figured that wouldn't be a problem,
but it did make me to think to ask if there's any 'forever permanent' stuff.

[Call Sign: Raven]

When you go to NG+, that's the only way to obtain the most powerful miracle by offering Gwyn's soul at the altar of the sun. If I remember right, that's the only permanent thing that changes in a NG+ cycle.

[CtenosaurOaxacana]

Originally posted by Harrison Ford:

When you go to NG+, that's the only way to obtain the most powerful miracle by offering Gwyn's soul at the altar of the sun. If I remember right, that's the only permanent thing that changes in a NG+ cycle.

I found a really great guide that explains what changes, what stays the same,
and also a 'checklist' of stuff to do before NG+.

https://darksouls.wikidot.com/new-game-plus

[AnKalameet]

You can never get a second copy of covenant items. If you drop your Gravelord Sword and quit the game, it's gone for good, you can't get another; ditto for trading the Ring of the Sun Princess to Snuggly for Divine Blessings--you'll never get another one. That's the only truly permanent change that will persist between NG cycles, besides your own level-ups and the persistent presence of the Master Key once purchased.

[CtenosaurOaxacana]

Originally posted by AnKalameet:

You can never get a second copy of covenant items.

I don't know covenant mechanics too well,
but what if you quit a covenant, try to lose 'reputation', or things like that?
Couldn't you come back later and regain items after some kind of 'reset'?
Or is there really no way around it?

And do covenant awarded spells have the same 'one time only' limit?
For example, a chaos servant can't get bonus chaos pyromancy spells,
for attunement stacking each ng+?

Originally posted by AnKalameet:

trading the Ring of the Sun Princess to Snuggly for Divine Blessings--you'll never get another one.

Wow, that's got to easily be the worst trade with Snuggly the Crow:
two healing consumables that are slightly rare and will be back next playthrough,
for an item you'll never get again on that character.
I don't think any other item requests on her trade list[darksouls.wikidot.com]
are unique items awarded from covenant rank.

[AnKalameet]

Originally posted by Vulpes Velox:

Originally posted by AnKalameet:

You can never get a second copy of covenant items.

I don't know covenant mechanics too well,
but what if you quit a covenant, try to lose 'reputation', or things like that?
Couldn't you come back later and regain items after some kind of 'reset'?
Or is there really no way around it?

And do covenant awarded spells have the same 'one time only' limit?
For example, a chaos servant can't get bonus chaos pyromancy spells,
for attunement stacking each ng+?

Covenant awarded spells are the same. This is why you know that someone that casts 5 Great Chaos Fireballs or uses Darkmoon Blade twice is cheating.

Quitting a covenant and regaining the rank that granted an item does not grant that item again. You get the item once, ever.

[CtenosaurOaxacana]

Meant to reply sooner,
but thank you for confirming everything about covenant reward items & spells.
I'll be sure to be careful not to lose any as I go through NG+s.