DARK SOULS™: Prepare To Die Edition

DARK SOULS™: Prepare To Die Edition

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donttrustidiot 2016 年 5 月 22 日 上午 5:16
PvP Tips For Beginners. For The Win!
+ Most important - watchable on steam
+ 4 main sections
+ external links are placed from simple to advanced


1. "Backstabs"

How to chain backstab and protect yourself from it
youtube.com/watch?v=DmecGNstuf8
PhantomEWGF Backstab/BS PvP Instruction -(Fundamental tutorial)
youtube.com/watch?v=tpZeX-RCat8
Dark Souls Topics - Backstabs

PvP tip - Avoiding stun backstabs

Beginners Guide To PvP #1: Backstabs

Roll Backstabs

Dark Souls Tech Early Get Up

Early Get up Applications

How to bs people who heal against a wall

Expanding on the Wall Backstab ---New!!!! 9.03.2018

Varying BS Escape Techniques

Punishing Ravioli Wake ups with various Roll-Bs

Dark Souls Tech: Wake Up Rolls Tutorial

School of Pivots

Dark Souls Tech: "Stance Cancel"

Offence & Defence Pivots ( Read Description ! )
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2. "How to Roll"

Reverse and Barrel Rolls - (know your rolls :) )
m.youtube.com/watch?v=MuJgGfQO51c
Basic roll punishes - (common mistakes)
m.youtube.com/watch?v=101vx_HvcrE&index=23&list=PL_oYwEH019rXFyVzEWDuCTmAtw0fsGARg
Reverse Roll (In-Depth Guide)

Ravioli Step Revised

Reverse Roll/Omnistep

Guide to baiting rolls
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3. "Technique"

Toggle. Dead angle. Anti-bs. - (lack of toggle gets you killed)
m.youtube.com/watch?v=DjnCt6zV4bg
PhantomEWGF: Dead angle instruction - (basic stuff)
m.youtube.com/watch?v=2wk7-Iy7-8A
Technique: 360°GhostStrike - (great, but can be punished)
m.youtube.com/watch?v=VERHJsP_qOM
Understanding Dark Souls PVP Latency (worth to watch)
m.youtube.com/watch?v=dTMwkk8r6D0
Dark Souls Advanced PvP 101 (covers a lot of things)
m.youtube.com/watch?v=C-3FHTebNxY
Unlocked and Dead Angle Tactics

Oddities, Properties, Weirdness part 1(ewgf)

Oddities, Properties, Weirdness part 2(ewgf)

Deadliest Combo & 180° Ghost Strike(!)

Pyromancy Techniques

Ghost kick Tech

Dark Souls Tech: Toggle Buffering

Poise Counting ---New!!!! 9.03.2018

Guide To Situational Ring/Armor/Shield Swaps ---New!!!! 9.03.2018

Guide to Viable Ghost Stirkes ---New!!!! 9.03.2018

Easy method of whiff punish with variety weapons

Instant block and Priority frames

Dark Souls Tech: Perfect Block
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4. "Parry"

PhantomEWGF Basic Parry Guide
m.youtube.com/watch?v=EKwaL9v5wqg
Parry Tips for Beginners

Peeve Parry Tips

Parry instructions 102

Parry instructions 103

Parrying BS attempt

Hornet Ring Switch Tech

Post Parry Combos
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Just my favorite things:
YamiTamashi

jblackmel: "Have zero expectations (18.00-22.23)"

Is stacking poise the answer?
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"Extra"

Counter and Instability Damage

spell casting speed depending on DEX

Dark Souls PvP Etiquette
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Weapon's Reach:
https://i.imgur.com/1FraS.png

Weapon's Crit.: (thanx to Shazbot)
http://pastebin.com/fguPrf4H

Weapon's Speed (all rights - kcufsihttihs (c)
https://a.pomfe.co/xcgifz.txt

Optimized Armor Setups (for serious pvp)
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=797747166

[PVP] Strong Weapons
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=805438917

Ds on twitch:
http://twitch.tv/directory/game/Dark Souls

p.s. Tiny advice about my favorite "toggle technique"(stunlock escape weapon switching) - do it while you r in attack or rolling animation, to get 100% success without precise timing.
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\(^_^) Have a good year everyone (^_^)/
最后由 donttrustidiot 编辑于; 2018 年 3 月 9 日 上午 4:02
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fantastictuna 2017 年 11 月 27 日 上午 6:34 
what a quality post, I know it's an old thread but nice work OP
SimianSwing 2018 年 1 月 12 日 上午 11:40 
maybe not for beginners, but pvp-tips still https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK9y6fqZ-BM&t=2s
should be added to the original post
Shard of Manus 2018 年 1 月 12 日 下午 12:34 
Is there a way this thread could be transferred over to the Re-Mastered Edition when it comes? Assuming that most of it is still applicable (better damn well be).

I think it's more than likely that the Re-Mastered Edition will become far more popular, and thus it would do a world of good on there.

An alternative would be to simply reconstruct it over there, but there's far too much in this thread to simply discard in favour of some half-hearted compilation of what we've got here.
Yeet Dino Yeet 2018 年 1 月 12 日 下午 1:06 
the thing is will we get dedicated servers only or a netcode rework as well?
最后由 Yeet Dino Yeet 编辑于; 2018 年 1 月 12 日 下午 1:07
Shard of Manus 2018 年 1 月 12 日 下午 3:17 
引用自 Polite Gentleman
the thing is will we get dedicated servers only or a netcode rework as well?
:/ In the 6 years since its release, and two other Dark Souls games forward... Fromsoft still haven't managed to make a game with decent netcode.

From teleporting players, attacks from across the map (sometimes quite literally), invisible players, two people in the same world that have no indication that the other exists...

Methinks that the netcode will be as problematic as ever.
Yeet Dino Yeet 2018 年 1 月 13 日 上午 3:37 
I agree with what you said.In my opinion ds1 has the best pvp in the series.Here is why:
Problems with DeS:the laggiest experience in the series(backstabs from kms,attacks from kms etc.)
DS1:Pvp is very unfriendly for beginners(learning tech is like learning your first fighting game character),some will consider tech to be exploits resulting in salt(remember my early days in the steam threads)this can be a pro for me , i'll explain later.Also, the lack of movement is a bit frustrating(not talking about infnite rolls like in ds3),the worst twinking posibilities in the series.Personal issue:The pc port (even with many problems solved, I still have problems) Why I love it is because of this tech.It offers the same variety as the skill system in nioh(although a bit unimmersive ).It offers more variety than the movesets of the for honor cast.With this thred the meta of this game evolves forcing the dedicated players to change their strats very frequently.It is a shame that very few people notice it.I hope they will balance some weapons in this remaster.
DS2:♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SM or sacrificing a ring slot to nulify the problem.The best decisions in terms of pvp by the devs are in this game but that single thing destroyed it for me.Best build variety in the series(talking about powerstancing and balance)
BB:No BL meta and fights being boring after constant healing
DS3:My least favourite pvp in the series[rant incoming] just beacuse I've had Stockholm syndrome with it.The structure of it is good but the decisions are the worst:balance is ♥♥♥♥ , invasions are ♥♥♥♥ , build variety is ♥♥♥♥(99% of the builds are quality builds),infinite rolls, instant healing, mages are useless etc.There is one more thing that I hate about this game that I hate (a bit personal and hypocritical)the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ comunity:Salt is everywhere in here , people are just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in there just to make salt compilation vids instead of helping someone just beacuse bandai made it more accsesible to players to bring salt from the other comunities(not everyone is like that but that was 80% of my experience) oh and second wors twinking posibilities in the series and much , much more. .They forgot that their game series has veterans in it.Maybe if the pvp system stays like in ds1(in the ds1 remaster) it will wipe out some of the salty members of the ds3 from the remaster but I can imagine "Trolling noobs with bstech-very funny+hatemail"
Nioh:Yes, I'm talking about this game as well, not because people say it is a souls-like(I don't consider it a souls-like,but a heavy-combat game that is not a fighting or a hack and slash one)but because it has a similar pvp system:good internet on both sides=good experience, bad/average internet on one side=hell and living weapon spam.This game would have the best build variety if I would consider it a part of the ds series with its almost fighting game weapon movesets and effectiveness of gimmicky builds.
I hope someone that can change the bad aspects that I've mentioned sees this.
Also, also can we implement something in the series that makes builds way easier to create,something like ,,beat ng+7 and unlock every weapon and armor in the game to access a build maker".With this "build maker" we can create builds just like how we do it with cheat engine but way simpler and without relying on a 3rd party sofware that can get you banned , without the same run over and over again for a diffrent build.Opinions on this?
Also,also,also more character slots pls
Sry for any grammar mistakes,salt and missing letters.Thx for reading!
最后由 Yeet Dino Yeet 编辑于; 2018 年 1 月 13 日 上午 3:42
nomoreblues 2018 年 1 月 13 日 上午 4:25 
引用自 Polite Gentleman
.Maybe if the pvp system stays like in ds1(in the ds1 remaster)

I fear that's too much to expect.
IMHO this thread here proves that the infamous Dark Soul PVP system is one of the bigger (if not the biggest) reason for this game to be legendary and, after all, seemingly worthy for a remaster.

Some minor balancing would be propably very nice - but that's been done already by the overhauls, I trust them a lot more doing this well tbh

cause with all the complaints about backstab hitboxes, twinking and general technical issues - (apart from the latter) "improving" these things might actually kill what was worthy about it.

But those in charge aren't after that, what made this game legendary. They are after a larger audience buying the game right now and the larger audience doesn't care for dedicated pro players sharing their secrets for free and for whoever isn't salty enough to enter this great combat mayhem. They don't want to get the feeling that they're being abused by "cheap" stuff, but you can't have combat with depth qualities like this without the abusable stuff, I fear.

After all - I don't think the devs/publisher ever intended to create a deep, even competitive combat system. We got this maybe by accident on top of the rest...for free

It makes me sad, but it also feels right to pay for that stuff, after all these hrs of playing and fun I do not have the feeling they owe me something, to be honest. On the contrary.

But I guess I'll wait with buying DS2 and 3 and rather chip in donations for community work.

and after all, maybe they don't change much of the combat system/matchmaking, only some backstab windows and weapon stats...
Yeet Dino Yeet 2018 年 1 月 13 日 上午 4:34 
didn't say that bs tech should be nerfed(fixed)
最后由 Yeet Dino Yeet 编辑于; 2018 年 1 月 13 日 上午 4:35
nomoreblues 2018 年 1 月 13 日 上午 4:46 
引用自 Polite Gentleman
didn't say that bs tech should be nerfed(fixed)
yeah I didn't say you did - I actually agree with you I think as far as I know the stuff (which is DkS1 only).
Was just adding my thoughts on the topic

I hope the stuff from this thread will stay valuable
Naewyng 2018 年 1 月 13 日 下午 12:52 
Best tip for dark souls PVP I can give anybody is: don't do it in ds1, it's broken as fk. Go for DS2, still has the best pvp in any souls game :)
Apathy 2018 年 1 月 13 日 下午 1:08 
引用自 Lhakryma
Best tip for dark souls PVP I can give anybody is: don't do it in ds1, it's broken as fk. Go for DS2, still has the best pvp in any souls game :)

Honor duels on the bridge in the Keep suck. The arenas are infested wtih CE users. Invasions suck and highly favor the host. You can't even activate switches as a Red. Poise doesn't exist. Backstabs don't either thanks to Jester Robes and turtle shell. DS2 and DS3 pvp is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
undakovrist 2018 年 1 月 13 日 下午 2:33 
引用自 Lhakryma
Best tip for dark souls PVP I can give anybody is: don't do it in ds1, it's broken as fk. Go for DS2, still has the best pvp in any souls game :)
Why even comment
The Lag Wizard 2018 年 1 月 14 日 上午 5:25 
Hey, I noticed that the link for animation data (Weapon's Speed (all rights - kcufsihttihs (c)) is broken. https://a.pomfe.co/xcgifz.txt This is up to date and should work.
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