PTDE or Remastered?

[Arbiter]

I see a lot of mixed things when looking through posts. Which one should I buy?

[Wushiba]

Originally posted by Redguard:

No I don't. Those changes to content made with adding a DLC are only entitled to this DLC and not to the base game. DLC actually can change base game contents in PTDE, but so do they in PS3. You make no sense by defining a game version through DLC

Not by just the DLC itself. It's a completely different release of the game, on a different platform, with different content, under a different name. If that doesn't count as a "different version" then nothing does.

Even just patches count as different game versions, come on now. Game version 1.14 for example. A base PS3 Dark Souls game is a different version of the game than the PC Dark Souls Prepare to Die Edition with the DLC included. I don't know what you mean by that its not a different version of the same game. Its just literally.

[Redguard]

Originally posted by Wushiba:

It does. Another reason why they call it the "PC version" or the "PS3 version".

Some things also exist on the PS3 version which is not present on the PC version, for example you cannot play the unpatched version on PC, but you can on PS3. It's called Prepare to Die Edition, it's a different edition of the game, a different version. Twisting the meaning of the words doesn't change the facts.

Though I am interested to know what counts as a "different version" for you if these criteria are not adequate.

Actually, you are twisting the meaning of words. Edition is NOT a version. There can be different editions of the same (original) version. Accomodations for different systems can be made for same versions. Those "PC version" vs "PS3 version" only deal with different systems, that the game is played on and don't have to do anything with original game. It is port versions, not game versions.

You can play original game patched or not patched. If you patch original game, it stays an original game

[Wushiba]

Originally posted by Redguard:

Actually, you are twisting the meaning of words. Edition is NOT a version. There can be different editions of the same (original) version. Accomodations for different systems can be made for same versions. Those "PC version" vs "PS3 version" only deal with different systems, that the game is played on and don't have to do anything with original game. It is port versions, not game versions.

You can play original game patched or not patched. If you patch original game, it stays an original game

It's not that I twist the words, it's just that you do not understand their meaning. It is actually you who is twisting them. If a game has a different title and the content is different, then that is a different version of the same game. You said it yourself.

Originally posted by Redguard:

It are visual changes
/content that do a different version

2011: Dark Souls - Playstation 3
2012: Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition - Windows PC
2012: Dark Souls: Artorias of the Abyss Edition - PlayStation 3
2018: Dark Souls: Remastered

These are the different versions of Dark Souls that have been released.
These are the different versions of the same game.
The PS3 version is the original version of the game.

"Versions displayed at the upper left of title screen are updated with this update patch as follows: App Ver [1.01 changed to 1.02]"

Even just the different patches count as different versions of the game.

I also looked up the meaning of the word just to make sure:

"version" - noun:
1. A particular form of something that is slightly different from other forms of the same thing
2. A description or account from one point of view, especially as opposed to another
-example: "Your PS3 version of the game is different than my PC version."
3. A translation of a text from another language
-example: "An English-language version of the game is planned for next year."

So going by the English language: even if the game is just translated, it counts as a different version of it, it is not the same. If it has more content added and baked into it and also sold under a different title, on a different platform then that is sure a different version of it, if you cannot accept that fact for some reason then you just have to continue to live in denial.

[Redguard]

Originally posted by Wushiba:

Originally posted by Redguard:

Actually, you are twisting the meaning of words. Edition is NOT a version. There can be different editions of the same (original) version. Accomodations for different systems can be made for same versions. Those "PC version" vs "PS3 version" only deal with different systems, that the game is played on and don't have to do anything with original game. It is port versions, not game versions.

You can play original game patched or not patched. If you patch original game, it stays an original game

It's not that I twist the words, it's just that you do not understand their meaning. It is actually you who is twisting them. If a game has a different title and the content is different, then that is a different version of the same game. You said it yourself.

Originally posted by Redguard:

It are visual changes
/content that do a different version

2011: Dark Souls - Playstation 3
2012: Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition - Windows PC
2012: Dark Souls: Artorias of the Abyss Edition - PlayStation 3
2018: Dark Souls: Remastered

These are the different versions of Dark Souls that have been released.
These are the different versions of the same game.
The PS3 version is the original version of the game.

"Versions displayed at the upper left of title screen are updated with this update patch as follows: App Ver [1.01 changed to 1.02]"

Even just the different patches count as different versions of the game.

I also looked up the meaning of the word just to make sure:

"version" - noun:
1. A particular form of something that is slightly different from other forms of the same thing
2. A description or account from one point of view, especially as opposed to another
-example: "Your PS3 version of the game is different than my PC version."
3. A translation of a text from another language
-example: "An English-language version of the game is planned for next year."

So going by the English language: even if the game is just translated, it counts as a different version of it, it is not the same. If it has more content added and baked into it and also sold under a different title, on a different platform then that is sure a different version of it, if you cannot accept that fact for some reason then you just have to continue to live in denial.

So, according to you, if I play in DS PTDE in German and you play DS PTDE in English, that means we play different DS versions? WTF is that

DS PTDE has not different content than PS3 Edition. Because if you buy DLC for your PS3 edition it will have same content as DS PTDE, how is it hard to understand that?

If a game is produced on a different platform it is different edition, not the different version. Yes, we say "PS3 version", "PC version", but we mean by that not the game content/visual change but hardware type

[Redguard]

Actually there are two versions of the game: original version and remastered version. Original version has three editions:

2011: Dark Souls - Playstation 3
2012: Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition - Windows PC
2012: Dark Souls: Artorias of the Abyss Edition - PlayStation 3

[Wushiba]

Originally posted by Redguard:

So, according to you, if I play in DS PTDE in German and you play DS PTDE in English, that means we play different DS versions?

Not according to me, according to the English language.

"version" - noun:
1. A particular form of something that is slightly different from other forms of the same thing

Originally posted by Redguard:

WTF is that

Lol. Well you don't have to like it or accept it for it to be true.

[Artur]

Nowadays I play PTDE with mods while keeping the remaster vanilla.

[Redguard]

Originally posted by Wushiba:

Originally posted by Redguard:

So, according to you, if I play in DS PTDE in German and you play DS PTDE in English, that means we play different DS versions?

Not according to me, according to the English language.

"version" - noun:
1. A particular form of something that is slightly different from other forms of the same thing

Originally posted by Redguard:

WTF is that

Lol. Well you don't have to like it or accept it for it to be true.

There are two meanings of "version"
One of them is version=edition (small meaning), the second one is version in bigger sense. The one you referring to, with "slightly different", means nothing else than edition. But the second one, about which we argue, doesn't apply to just slight differences. It requires complete overhaul like remaster is

[Wushiba]

Originally posted by Redguard:

There are two meanings of "version"
One of them is version=edition (small meaning), the second one is version in bigger sense. The one you referring to, with "slightly different", means nothing else than edition. But the second one, about which we argue, doesn't apply to just slight differences. It requires complete overhaul like remaster is

No. You are literally just making that up. Stop it. I quoted the meaning of the word to you. What is your source for all this nonsense? Where are you getting this from? Stop making things up.

[Redguard]

Originally posted by Wushiba:

Originally posted by Redguard:

One of them is version=edition (small meaning), the second one is version in bigger sense. The one you referring to, with "slightly different", means nothing else than edition. But the second one, about which we argue, doesn't apply to just slight differences. It requires complete overhaul like remaster is

No. You are literally just making that up. Stop it. I quoted the meaning of the word to you. What is your source for all this nonsense? Where are you getting this from? Stop making things up.

Link the source for your claims.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/de/worterbuch/englisch/edition
For the meaning of version in "small sense"

An edition is a particular version of a book, magazine, or newspaper that is printed at one time.

Explaining: the original version of Dark Souls was released for pc and is called "Prepare to Die Edition". We can call it a version, but we mean edition by that. "PC version of original game"

For the meaning of version in "bigger" sense:

Version is a broader term. It is sometimes used when referring to published material, especially new releases of software programs

DS PTDE cannot be considered as new release, because it is original release accomodated for pc. Differences between original and PTDE versions in terms of visuals/content are on patch-level, so we call them editions of original version.
DS remaster is a new product, with major visual changes, and is sold as separate product from PTDE => Another version

[Wushiba]

An edition is a particular version of a book, magazine, or newspaper that is printed at one time.

There you go. Edition = Version.
Even your own quotes prove you wrong.

I'm done.

[Redguard]

Originally posted by Wushiba:

An edition is a particular version of a book, magazine, or newspaper that is printed at one time.

There you go. Edition = Version.
Even your own quotes prove you wrong.

I'm done.

Learn many meanings of "version", especially the broader form

[Wushiba]

Originally posted by Redguard:

Originally posted by Wushiba:

There you go. Edition = Version.
Even your own quotes prove you wrong.

I'm done.

Learn many meanings of "version", especially the broader form

I did. It's time for you to do so as well:

-"What is a version of a game?"

-"A version is a publicly available release of the final game. Print & play files on a website are a web-published version. Something available from a print-on-demand service is a version. Something available for purchase is a version."

"A version entry is a representation of the characteristics of a certain publication of a game. Included in these characteristics are the title printed on the box, an identifying name for the version."
https://boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/Versions_Guidelines

Example for one version of the game:
Dark Souls - Play Station 3 (2011)

Example for another version of the game:
Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition - WINDOWS PC (2012)

Another version of the game:
Dark Souls: Artorias of the Abyss Edition - Play Station 3 (2012)

Another example for the use of the word version:

"Version 1.09 Release Date (PS3 only) - Fixes the flickering and missing graphical effect errors that previously affected all areas in the PS3 VERSION"
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/game-patches

Just because you refuse to accept the meaning of the word, it is still reality.

[NightmareGats]

Originally posted by Wushiba:

Originally posted by Redguard:

Learn many meanings of "version", especially the broader form

I did. It's time for you to do so as well:

-"What is a version of a game?"

-"A version is a publicly available release of the final game. Print & play files on a website are a web-published version. Something available from a print-on-demand service is a version. Something available for purchase is a version."

"A version entry is a representation of the characteristics of a certain publication of a game. Included in these characteristics are the title printed on the box, an identifying name for the version."
https://boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/Versions_Guidelines

Example for one version of the game:
Dark Souls - Play Station 3 (2011)

Example for another version of the game:
Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition - WINDOWS PC (2012)

Another version of the game:
Dark Souls: Artorias of the Abyss Edition - Play Station 3 (2012)

Another example for the use of the word version:

"Version 1.09 Release Date (PS3 only) - Fixes the flickering and missing graphical effect errors that previously affected all areas in the PS3 VERSION"
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/game-patches

Just because you refuse to accept the meaning of the word, it is still reality.

I know how it is being a schizo for a game, but you surpass even me.

[Wushiba]

Originally posted by NightmareGats:

I know how it is being a schizo for a game, but you surpass even me.

We are very different You and I. Though I don't see how is explaining the meaning of a word to someone who doesn't understand it makes me a schizo for Dark Souls. Some elaboration is needed, but calling me names is probably easier than coming up with something meaningful to say, so you do you.

Originally posted by NightmareGats:

PTDE as it is the true and only Dark Souls.

Dark Souls PtDE is just a bad copy of the original Playstation 3 version.


Edit: You guys seems to be really triggered by this statement for some reason. That wasn't my intention, but I still stand by of what I've said, though even if I didn't, people use this word like this worldwide, you would need to change the english dictionary and videogame language if you don't like it.