PTDE or Remastered?

[Arbiter]

I see a lot of mixed things when looking through posts. Which one should I buy?

[Basileus 1er]

PTDE gives you way more options with modding and makes thing easy for invasion. For the original masterpieice, in my mind, it might be worth to pay what the grey market is asking now if you have the money for it.

[Czarina Schwartz]

PTDE got removed from steam that is the one I have. I played both, I preferred remaster

[Wushiba]

引用自 NightmareGats：

PTDE as it is the true and only Dark Souls.

The only true Dark Souls is the japanese version on PS3.

PTDE is just a bad copy of that. Isn't it?

[MMB]

I played silent hill 2 on HD collection and loved it while people who played the original wouldnt touch it and hated it. DS demaster is just awful.

[Redguard]

引用自 Wushiba：

The only true Dark Souls is the japanese version on PS3.

PTDE is just a bad copy of that. Isn't it?

PtDE and japanese PS3 version is same
Only translated

[Wushiba]

引用自 Redguard：

引用自 Wushiba：

The only true Dark Souls is the japanese version on PS3.

PTDE is just a bad copy of that. Isn't it?

PtDE and japanese PS3 version is same
Only translated

Wrong, if you think about it. The first thing that comes to mind is that they have added keyboard and mouse controls and lots of extra things so they can even make the game playable on PC. You can't do that without some changes. It is still barely playable though, to my knowledge it runs a lot worse on PC than it does on the PS3, so that's another reason why it is different. You get a different gameplay experience from palying it. Also if it is translated then it is literally not the same, it is changed. The original is in japanese, if it's not in japanese then it is not the original.

There's probably as many differences between the original japanese PS3 version and PtDE as there is between PtDE and the REMASTERED PC version.

[Redguard]

引用自 Wushiba：

引用自 Redguard：

PtDE and japanese PS3 version is same
Only translated

Wrong, if you think about it. The first thing that comes to mind is that they have added keyboard and mouse controls and lots of extra things so they can even make the game playable on PC. You can't do that without some changes. It is still barely playable though, to my knowledge it runs a lot worse on PC than it does on the PS3, so that's another reason why it is different. You get a different gameplay experience from palying it. Also if it is translated then it is literally not the same, it is changed. The original is in japanese, if it's not in japanese then it is not the original.

There's probably as many differences between the original japanese PS3 version and PtDE as there is between PtDE and the REMASTERED PC version.

No its not
Language and platform don't change originality. It are visual changes
/content that do a different version

[Wushiba]

引用自 Redguard：

No its not
Language and platform don't change originality.

Edit: I forgot at first but, PtDE is actually just the re-released version of the game with the DLC included. The original version on PS3 was simply called Dark Souls and it didn't contain the DLC and they didn't release that version of the game on PC.

引用自 Redguard：

It are visual changes
/content that do a different version

"A port for Windows featuring additional content, known as the Prepare to Die Edition, was released in August 2012. It was also released for consoles under the subtitle Artorias of the Abyss in October 2012."

[Hydef]

There are definitely far more differences between the remastered and PTDE then there are with the original PS3 and 360 releases and PTDE. The only differences between PTDE and the original console versions is the DLC being included, resolution, button prompts, framerate (with DSFIX), and extremely minute differences in color grading.

Remaster changes from PTDE / OG console versions:
- Big differences in lighting, shaders and post processing effects.
- 60 FPS target by default.
- Max online players increased from 4 to 6.
- Password matchmaking.
- Revised mechanics for healing while doing invasions or co-op.
- Added additional restrictions for online matchmaking (Not just based on SL anymore)
- Dead aiming removed from PVP.
- Multiples of items / covenant offerings can be used simultaneously.
- Covenants can be switched at bonfires.
- Added a bonfire next to Vamos the blacksmith.

[Hydef]

There are basically no differences between the original Japanese release and the western releases of Dark Souls other then the translation. I own the original PS3 releases of both the Japanese and American versions. There was a big patch released for both early on made quite a few changes in terms of balancing, massively increasing soul drop amounts, revising the curse mechanic, etc. You can find more info here: http://darksouls.wikidot.com/game-patches

Given that it was From Software themselves making these changes for balance reasons, things they presumably would have done in the first place if they hadn't been rushed to release by Bandai Namco, I don't think their authenticity should be in question.

[Hydef]

引用自 RE/PAKO：

I played silent hill 2 on HD collection and loved it while people who played the original wouldnt touch it and hated it. DS demaster is just awful.

SH2 in the HD collection is a waayyyy bigger downgrade from it's original then PTDE to Remaster is. Remaster changes some details for the worse but SH2HD Collection absolutely eviscerates the presentation of the original game.

[Hydef]

Anyway to answer your question OP, I would go for a copy of PTDE with DSFIX via "nontraditional sources" for the best PvE experience or the Remaster with some visual mods like the Classic Armors pack if you want to experience the epicness of DS1 PVP (getting dark beaded by maxed out armor sweatlords in the first area of the game)

[Redguard]

引用自 Wushiba：

引用自 Redguard：

No its not
Language and platform don't change originality.

Edit: I forgot at first but, PtDE is actually just the re-released version of the game with the DLC included. The original version on PS3 was simply called Dark Souls and it didn't contain the DLC and they didn't release that version of the game on PC.

引用自 Redguard：

It are visual changes
/content that do a different version

"A port for Windows featuring additional content, known as the Prepare to Die Edition, was released in August 2012. It was also released for consoles under the subtitle Artorias of the Abyss in October 2012."

Again, an accomodation for another system doesn't make it another version. It is called port

DLC doesn't change game version. DLC is additional content to the base game, not a version upgrade

And language has nothing to do with that. Because otherwise Skyrim in English and Skyrim in German wouldcount as different versions of Skyrim but they are not

[Wushiba]

引用自 Hydef：

There are definitely far more differences between the remastered and PTDE then there are with the original PS3 and 360 releases and PTDE.

Okay you're probably right, I might have exaggerated a bit there, but my point still stands, PtDE is not the original version of the game. The true original version of Dark Souls is on the PS3, simply called Dark Souls. Not Dark Souls Prepare to Die Edition (PC).

引用自 Redguard：

Again, an accomodation for another system doesn't make it another version. It is called port

It does. Another reason why they call it the "PC version" or the "PS3 version".

引用自 Redguard：

DLC doesn't change game version. DLC is additional content to the base game, not a version upgrade

It actually does. Though funny cause in your earlier comment you said otherwise:

引用自 Redguard：

It are visual changes
/content that do a different version

Then i quoted: "A port for Windows featuring additional content, known as the Prepare to Die Edition, was released..."

So, I don't know how much longer you want to argue about this but you are changing your arguments each time.



To elaborate further:
For the original PS3 version of the game you had to buy the DLC seperately. The PC version has a completely different name than the PS3 version because it is a different version of the game, with the DLC baked into it. You literally cannot buy Dark Souls 1 without the DLC on PC, because PtDE differs from the ORIGINAL PS3 version, which doesn't include the DLC.

Some things also exist on the PS3 version which is not present on the PC version, for example you cannot play the unpatched version on PC, but you can on PS3. It's called Prepare to Die Edition, it's a different edition of the game, a different version. Twisting the meaning of the words doesn't change the facts.

Though I am interested to know what counts as a "different version" for you if these criteria are not adequate.

[Redguard]

引用自 Wushiba：

引用自 Hydef：

There are definitely far more differences between the remastered and PTDE then there are with the original PS3 and 360 releases and PTDE.

Okay you're probably right, I might have exaggerated a bit there, but my point still stands, PtDE is not the original version of the game. The true original version of Dark Souls is on the PS3, simply called Dark Souls. Not Dark Souls Prepare to Die Edition (PC).

引用自 Redguard：

Again, an accomodation for another system doesn't make it another version. It is called port

It does. Another reason why they call it the "PC version" or the "PS3 version".

引用自 Redguard：

DLC doesn't change game version. DLC is additional content to the base game, not a version upgrade

It actually does. Though funny cause in your earlier comment you said otherwise:

引用自 Redguard：

It are visual changes
/content that do a different version

Then i quoted: "A port for Windows featuring additional content, known as the Prepare to Die Edition, was released..."

So, I don't know how much longer you want to argue about this but you are changing your arguments each time.

No I don't. Those changes to content made with adding a DLC are only entitled to this DLC and not to the base game. DLC actually can change base game contents in PTDE, but so do they in PS3. You make no sense by defining a game version through DLC