How can DSFix be better than Remastered?

[Pavel]

Hello,

I would like to start playing DS. I tried using DSFix to unlock framerate. It is working. Thanks a lot for effort of modding community. However, I can't really say it is enjoyable experience. Game shutters really bad.

I don't really understand how someone can say that normal (PtDE) version is better, when there is remastered avaiable without shuttering problem. Can you guys tell me, whether I am doing something bad? I don't have old computer (6600K, GTX 1080, 16GB RAM, game installed on SSD). I have even tried to download some optimized textured, but it did not help (game looks way worse though).

TL&DR: Is there any way how to get rid of shutters?

[heath]

remaster is pretty new. most people already finished darksouls years ago so obviously they will say its not worth it for 25$ or what ever.

what are the stutters like. is ya fps going up and down alot ? like some area/looking direction high other low?

[Lurker at the threshold]

Define "stutter" (I assume you mean that and not shutter)
If it's the framerate going up and down, then sadly it's normal... this is not a very good pc port and it shows in many ways, mainly performance... no matter how beefy your pc is, reaching a stable 60 fps is really hard... the game itself was just not meant to do that.
Remaster is a better port and it surely performs better than this, but some people don't like it for the changes in gameplay, some don't like it because they didn't get it for free, some are just bandwagon haters... there are some valid reasons to prefer PTDE over the remaster though.

[Pavel]

Originally posted by クリスマスコロネ:

Define "stutter" (I assume you mean that and not shutter)

I meant shutters :-)

I bought Remastered and it is a lot more stable. There are still framedrops, but much less noticable compared to PTDE.

I kinda understand that people are angry that they did not get it for free. However, I paid $5 for PTDE and topping $20 extra is not that bad.

Originally posted by クリスマスコロネ:

there are some valid reasons to prefer PTDE over the remaster though.

can you elaborate here? I understand that there is bigger mod community for PTDE, graphics are bit bitter, but other than that, what are reasons to prefer it? It was OK when remastered was not here. However, it is released and if somebody wants to play it (and have extra $20), one should definitely pay extra.

[Lurker at the threshold]

Originally posted by Palči:

can you elaborate here? I understand that there is bigger mod community for PTDE, graphics are bit bitter

That's exactly it, mods are the main thing PTDE has going for it, including utilities like dsfix, watchdog, DSCM... and then there's also how the multiplayer works, from what I remember they changed how the matchmaking works in the remaster, and phantoms can estus just like in DS3, some people don't like that.
If one doesn't care about mods or multiplayer that much though, there's no reason to not jump into the remaster instead of PTDE.

[alekzanderlr]

For me the main reason Remastered is bad is because it teaches FROM that it's ok to attach a $20 price tag to a years-late bugfix (instead of an apology).

[Laptop]

Originally posted by alekzanderlr:

For me the main reason Remastered is bad is because it teaches FROM that it's ok to attach a $20 price tag to a years-late bugfix (instead of an apology).

They did admit at the time not to expect anything fancy for the PC release, there was originally only a console release and FROM only considered the PC after a massive petition was done for it.

[Pavel]

I am glad they released it. It is much better for new players.

[DeadlyFred]

Remastered is fine. It looks and plays great for the most part. It wasn't made to satisfy or offer PC gamers a belated "fix" or "apology" for the original PC version, it was made for new generation consoles, plain and simple. Fromsoft has done far better with their PC ports since PTDE and people definitely need to remember that Dark Souls only graces the platform at all because it was begged for and they did their best to oblige. People being very hard on a developer who is just trying to give them what they asked for.

Fromsoft is not EA, or Ubisoft or any of these other AAA developers who piece out their games with preorder exclusives, in-game currency and other nonsense. Their games are sold as complete packages and offered with proper DLC expansions which offer more of the same quality content. They are FAR from the cash-grabbing evil empire some people want to paint them as.

[Lurker at the threshold]

Originally posted by Chug Ma Nug:

Remastered is fine. It looks and plays great for the most part. It wasn't made to satisfy or offer PC gamers a belated "fix" or "apology" for the original PC version, it was made for new generation consoles, plain and simple. Fromsoft has done far better with their PC ports since PTDE and people definitely need to remember that Dark Souls only graces the platform at all because it was begged for and they did their best to oblige. People being very hard on a developer who is just trying to give them what they asked for.

Fromsoft is not EA, or Ubisoft or any of these other AAA developers who piece out their games with preorder exclusives, in-game currency and other nonsense. Their games are sold as complete packages and offered with proper DLC expansions which offer more of the same quality content. They are FAR from the cash-grabbing evil empire some people want to paint them as.

boi we need more people like you around here

[m0k]

ITT, people confusing developers and publishers again.

[DeadlyFred]

Originally posted by Default User:

ITT, people confusing developers and publishers again. :cozyroe:

EA asserts authoritive enough control over its various properties that they are far from being "just the publisher." Ubisoft most certainly still develops its own games so I'm not sure what purpose this comment has.

[m0k]

Originally posted by Chug Ma Nug:

Originally posted by Default User:

ITT, people confusing developers and publishers again.

EA asserts authoritive enough control over its various properties that they are far from being "just the publisher." Ubisoft most certainly still develops its own games so I'm not sure what purpose this comment has.

Your argument is invalid when comparing FromSoft with EA (aka apples with oranges).

Yes, FromSoft is to blame for its technical shortcomings when they decided to port the original DS. But they did not decide to make and market the Remaster as it was done, nor did they decide that they weren't coming back on patching the original. That was all Bamco's decision.

[TheRealMcDan]

How can DSFix be better than the Remaster? It’s not. That’s just something said by stubborn petulant children who are determined to make sure the Souls community can’t have anything nice. MuH cAsH gRaB!!

[PainkilleR]

Both PtDE and Remaster are extremely poor games from a technical point of view.

If you are new to Dark Souls and don't plan to invest much time into the game then you should probably get Remastered version. If you already own an original version then it's a "MuH cAsH gRaB!!" (read paid patch).

One may argue that "people shouldn't work for free", but I am not a fan of the paid patches idea.

In other words if you own PtDE then DSFix is better than Remaster because anything is better than paid patches. If you are new to Dark Souls then DSFix is not better than DaS:R.

[Laptop]

Originally posted by PainkilleR:

Both PtDE and Remaster are extremely poor games from a technical point of view.

If you are new to Dark Souls and don't plan to invest much time into the game then you should probably get Remastered version.

If you already own an original version then it's a "MuH cAsH gRaB!!" (read paid patch).

One may argue that "people shouldn't work for free", but I am not a fan of the paid patches idea.

In other words if you own PtDE then DSFix is better than Remaster because anything is better than paid patches. If you are new to Dark Souls then DSFix is not better than DaS:R.

Dark Souls: Remastered has better performance than the original, mods or not.