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Crows are the best 2018 年 1 月 2 日 下午 4:16
dex/faith build for pvp?
hello everyone,
tell me is it viable or at least fun to do?
aslo better having more stat on dex or faith?
最后由 Crows are the best 编辑于; 2018 年 1 月 2 日 下午 4:16
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Carl William 2018 年 1 月 2 日 下午 4:41 
dex/faith is definately viable, both dex and faith has a nice cap at 40 so i wouldn't go further. A common build is to go 40 dex and 30 faith so u can use darkmoon/sunlight blade on a +15 weapon.
Call Sign: Raven 2018 年 1 月 2 日 下午 5:22 
Depends on the weapon you choose. Some weapons, like Murakumo, scale very well all the way up to 60 or more dex. The above poster was right about the common tacic, though. Most people use faith builds for buffing. That depends though, are you invading or dueling? Dealing with a host that just runs all over the place can make your buff wear off, and limit your effectiveness. If you are thinking about tossing lightning bolts, I honestly haven't ever seen that tactic used in PvP (just my experience) because it's hard to hit people with the spells, apparently.
Crows are the best 2018 年 1 月 2 日 下午 5:25 
引用自 Harrison Ford
Depends on the weapon you choose. Some weapons, like Murakumo, scale very well all the way up to 60 or more dex. The above poster was right about the common tacic, though. Most people use faith builds for buffing. That depends though, are you invading or dueling? Dealing with a host that just runs all over the place can make your buff wear off, and limit your effectiveness. If you are thinking about tossing lightning bolts, I honestly haven't ever seen that tactic used in PvP (just my experience) because it's hard to hit people with the spells, apparently.

i want to duel and invading, but maybe i can do both with it. for the spear i know right even in pve it can miss so i want buff and if it exist aoe attack
最后由 Crows are the best 编辑于; 2018 年 1 月 2 日 下午 5:26
Crows are the best 2018 年 1 月 2 日 下午 5:27 
引用自 Carl William
dex/faith is definately viable, both dex and faith has a nice cap at 40 so i wouldn't go further. A common build is to go 40 dex and 30 faith so u can use darkmoon/sunlight blade on a +15 weapon.
looking good, what should build beside this? i don't know a lot about pvp to be honest

thank you gentlemen for the answer
最后由 Crows are the best 编辑于; 2018 年 1 月 2 日 下午 5:27
Kaz 2018 年 1 月 2 日 下午 6:25 
There are two main different paths that you can take, but it all depends on your preference of weaponry and stat allocation:
  • Dexterity (example[mugenmonkey.com]) or Strength (example[mugenmonkey.com]) Faith Hybrids;
  • Faith Pures (example[mugenmonkey.com]).
For short: 30 FTH and 40 DEX/STR for Hybrid builds, 50 FTH and minimum required DEX/STR for Pures.

Most Faith builds rely on the use of Darkmoon Blade (if a member of the Blade of the Darkmoon covenant) or the Sunlight Blade (for any other covenant), along with the obvious support of other miracles. Here's few effective miracles for PvP:
  • Darkmoon/Sunlight Blade;
  • Wrath of the Gods;
  • Gravelord Greatsword Dance;
  • Great Magic Barrier.
Emit Force, Great Lightning Spear, Great Heal are really questionable choices, on my oppinion, but still can be viable.

Also Crown of the Dark Sun will increase your spell damage by 10% (unlike the Crown of Dusk, you do not lose any magical defenses) and the Ring of the Sun's Firstborn will increase your miracles damage by ~25%. But rememer if you will kill Gwyndolin you will lose access to the Darkmoon covenant and Darkmoon blade. So you probbaly will go into NG+ to complete this build or use Crown of Dusk instead.
最后由 Kaz 编辑于; 2018 年 1 月 2 日 下午 7:07
Mr. Death 2018 年 1 月 2 日 下午 6:31 
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/553051

Saw your post and I was bored so I made this build for ya! Basicly is a buff build at level 135 with 50 Vit 48 End, 4 Attunement slots, 14 dex to be able to use and buff a Great Scythe in adition to a Estoc, and also u have 30 Fth to be able to use either sunlight blade or darkmoon blade plus 6 Wrath of Gods.

U have the option of using either the ring of the first sunborn to buff WoG, Wolf Ring to have an amount of 54 poise which is kinda good (for really heavy weapons u always have toggle escaping), u can switch to DarkWoodGrainRing and even to RedTearStone if u r in big trouble.

It is also worth mentioning that I this build is rocking also the Crown of Dusk, which magic
damage by 20% and decrease magic defense by 30%, making u kinda a glass cannon and more vulnerable to spells, so if u see u are fighting a mage, can switch this by changing to something like mask of the mother or any other very light head piece so it is not a real problem).

I hope this was helpfull, hope u have fun
Crows are the best 2018 年 1 月 2 日 下午 7:07 
引用自 Mr. Death
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/553051

Saw your post and I was bored so I made this build for ya! Basicly is a buff build at level 135 with 50 Vit 48 End, 4 Attunement slots, 14 dex to be able to use and buff a Great Scythe in adition to a Estoc, and also u have 30 Fth to be able to use either sunlight blade or darkmoon blade plus 6 Wrath of Gods.

U have the option of using either the ring of the first sunborn to buff WoG, Wolf Ring to have an amount of 54 poise which is kinda good (for really heavy weapons u always have toggle escaping), u can switch to DarkWoodGrainRing and even to RedTearStone if u r in big trouble.

It is also worth mentioning that I this build is rocking also the Crown of Dusk, which magic
damage by 20% and decrease magic defense by 30%, making u kinda a glass cannon and more vulnerable to spells, so if u see u are fighting a mage, can switch this by changing to something like mask of the mother or any other very light head piece so it is not a real problem).

I hope this was helpfull, hope u have fun
oh looking nice but i heard that the pvp sl was scale to 125, but look fun will try it thank you very much for your time ^^


aslo if anyone know what weapon should i use, i know the great scythe and esttoc/rapier is good but is other weapon like crossbow or parrying dagger is good?
最后由 Crows are the best 编辑于; 2018 年 1 月 2 日 下午 7:09
Call Sign: Raven 2018 年 1 月 2 日 下午 7:43 
Parrying dagger is great if you have good parry timing, but I prefer medium metal shields for that. Crossbow is great for slowing down runners and occaisional surprise attacks, that's about it. Personally, I'm a Claymore/Broadsword kind of guy, but if you like the small swords go for it. Just have a larger weapon on backup in case you run into someone with high poise.
最后由 Call Sign: Raven 编辑于; 2018 年 1 月 2 日 下午 7:44
TrueArchery 2018 年 1 月 3 日 上午 12:19 
引用自 Harrison Ford
Some weapons, like Murakumo, scale very well all the way up to 60 or more dex.
... no. This isn't Dark Souls 3.
Like, a 28/30 2h Murakumo has 499 AR, at 40 Dex 564 AR, at 50 Dex 571, at 60 Dex 578, keeps going like that. That's ~7 points of AR for 10 points investment beyond 40. Far from "very well".
最后由 TrueArchery 编辑于; 2018 年 1 月 3 日 上午 12:19
Mr. Death 2018 年 1 月 3 日 上午 5:03 
引用自 Aldofer
引用自 Mr. Death
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/553051

Saw your post and I was bored so I made this build for ya! Basicly is a buff build at level 135 with 50 Vit 48 End, 4 Attunement slots, 14 dex to be able to use and buff a Great Scythe in adition to a Estoc, and also u have 30 Fth to be able to use either sunlight blade or darkmoon blade plus 6 Wrath of Gods.

U have the option of using either the ring of the first sunborn to buff WoG, Wolf Ring to have an amount of 54 poise which is kinda good (for really heavy weapons u always have toggle escaping), u can switch to DarkWoodGrainRing and even to RedTearStone if u r in big trouble.

It is also worth mentioning that I this build is rocking also the Crown of Dusk, which magic
damage by 20% and decrease magic defense by 30%, making u kinda a glass cannon and more vulnerable to spells, so if u see u are fighting a mage, can switch this by changing to something like mask of the mother or any other very light head piece so it is not a real problem).

I hope this was helpfull, hope u have fun
oh looking nice but i heard that the pvp sl was scale to 125, but look fun will try it thank you very much for your time ^^


aslo if anyone know what weapon should i use, i know the great scythe and esttoc/rapier is good but is other weapon like crossbow or parrying dagger is good?
135 is also meta, u r going to find a lot of people according to this calculator https://mpql.net/tools/dark-souls/?level=135 u will be able to invade with cracked red eye orbs people in 122 to max level, and using tue blue eye orb u can also invade downwards, people that pvp are indicted as hell so u gonna find a lot of people using that either in Oolacile or in The Forest
Mr. Death 2018 年 1 月 3 日 上午 5:24 
引用自 Aldofer
引用自 Mr. Death
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/553051

Saw your post and I was bored so I made this build for ya! Basicly is a buff build at level 135 with 50 Vit 48 End, 4 Attunement slots, 14 dex to be able to use and buff a Great Scythe in adition to a Estoc, and also u have 30 Fth to be able to use either sunlight blade or darkmoon blade plus 6 Wrath of Gods.

U have the option of using either the ring of the first sunborn to buff WoG, Wolf Ring to have an amount of 54 poise which is kinda good (for really heavy weapons u always have toggle escaping), u can switch to DarkWoodGrainRing and even to RedTearStone if u r in big trouble.

It is also worth mentioning that I this build is rocking also the Crown of Dusk, which magic
damage by 20% and decrease magic defense by 30%, making u kinda a glass cannon and more vulnerable to spells, so if u see u are fighting a mage, can switch this by changing to something like mask of the mother or any other very light head piece so it is not a real problem).

I hope this was helpfull, hope u have fun
oh looking nice but i heard that the pvp sl was scale to 125, but look fun will try it thank you very much for your time ^^


aslo if anyone know what weapon should i use, i know the great scythe and esttoc/rapier is good but is other weapon like crossbow or parrying dagger is good?
135 is also meta and according to this calculator https://mpql.net/tools/dark-souls/?level=135 u will be able to invade with cracked eye orbs people from 122 to max level and with the blue eye orb u can also invade downwards, which is good because u can invade even while hollow.

And speaking about good dex weapons, u have also the katanas: Uchigatana and Iaito, which are about the same damage (the Uchi is slightly stronger), the difference are the strong attacks, Uchi has a long poke and Iaito has a wide slash, when two handed Uchi has a vertical slash and Iaito a horizontal one, it all depends on your taste. There is also the Chaos Blade, so called "best weapon of the game" for a good reason, it scales with Dex and Humanity up to 10, it outdamages all the katanas, has more length and a very nice bleed damage (it cant be buffed, luckily).

There is one greatsword, the Flamberge which has strong attacks that resemble a lot to the light attacks of a Murakumo.

U also have the curved swords, painting guardian sword (good bad very short, not worth), scimitar, falchion, shotel (strong attacks goes through shields), gold tracer (good bleed and speed) and the furysword, the longest curved sword and best roll catcher.

Daggers are another class of dex weapons mainly used for critical hits. They are very light, inflict poor damage with normal attacks but do very well with riposts and backstabs, they are definitly not main weapons, but very good secondary weapons to switch to if u wanna shoot for the bs. Some examples are Bandit Knife, Dagger, Parrying Dagger and Dark Silver Tracer. I recommend using Silver Tracer as it is easily upgradable with twinkling titanite instead of normal upgrade path.

Oh and before I forget, the Great Scythe has a brother, the Scythe, which is a halberd class weapon, it outdamages GS, but doesnt have the best of the movesets, it can definitly be used, but experienced players will just roll through your attacks and backstab u, but u can try this one as well.

I think I didnt miss any weapon, I hope this was informative :D, cya


nomoreblues 2018 年 1 月 3 日 上午 6:02 
for pvp you want to consider that evrything you gain with stats on one side limits you on other sides (cause you limit your level)
Like, you want to be careful with levelling to have enough for your basic survival stats:
vit (recommended ~50) and
end (at least 40, but evry point above that improves your choice of
equipment - you want enough to wield your weapons and some armor/poise and still fast roll, don't mid roll unless you are tank with high dmg weapon)

Now if you take faith, which is nice for these buffs and combat miracles you also have to level some attunement in order to get enough slots. Depending on your weapon of choice you need some str anyway for requirement.

Keep in mind that evry sort of dmg has its own defense stat which makes dex/str weapons most effectively scaling because evrything stacks on top as normal dmg. Buffs give "split" damage which is slightly less effective

My point:: if you are new to pvp and want to improve and get experience it's propably most simple (or even easy) to go pure dex/str, you don't have miracles then but you also have the biggest variety of weapons hitting hard enough without buffs while still having high vit/end, too.

I definetly recommend to try out hybrid builds, too - just don't expect them to make things more easy for you, especially when new to pvp

edit: mr.death build is fine tho
最后由 nomoreblues 编辑于; 2018 年 1 月 3 日 上午 6:05
Mr. Death 2018 年 1 月 3 日 上午 6:24 
Thanks Nomore, and I do understand your point. I stoped using buff builds simply because people run away of buffs or punish you with locked sprint backstabs for getting to greedy (if fighting a good player), I only made this build for the OP. Altho there are very powerful combos (if the other player doesnt toggle escape, standstill in wake up) like dead angle WoG into chain bs, then wake up WoG into the same stuff again.

Altho at high levels those "combos" are non existant as people know how to toggle and defend backstabs, but in casul pvp they are fine. Goin for pure Dex (with some pyros), pure Str or Quality seems to be the most relayable way to combat. The only thing I would suggest to OP is to become familiar with one weapon class at a time, dont go around switching weapons as if they were underwear, because it could be detrimental to his own skill.
Switching weapons in mid fight IS important to adapt to the tactics of the other player, but only when u understand how to adapt and what weapon is the better for the situation.
Crows are the best 2018 年 1 月 3 日 下午 4:51 
so first thanks all for replying and for the build idea, as nomore said i might be better for me to go for a dex/str, but i don't know if i want too, because i like playing with buff, so i'm a bit lost here especially since dex/str only rely on weapon (or maybe item to infuse weapon) so yea, i aslo had consider use pyromancie but i don't know how it work and magic seems to be mostly offensive spell, so yea i know hybrid build might be harder to use (maybe more than pure build) but i wanna try it, for the weapon i'll stick with rapier/estoc combo with parrying dagger because i like this style of fighting. i don't know what i will use for secondary weapon but your advice help me so far and thanks mr.death for the weapon presentation.



(OP mean overpowered right? :conwayshrug:)
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