Prepare to Die vs Scholar of the First Sin

[󠀡󠀡 ⁧⁧Darius]

I think PtD is a good game, I am now playing it and enjoying my time (kind of) but imo SotFS is superior. I enjoyed it so much more...

Do you think I am biased because SotFS was my 1st souls game or is SotFS actually better? Which one do you prefer?

I think SotFS overall is a superior game out of the two but one thing I can say in favor of PtD is that IMO boss fights in PtD are a tad more interesting and original

P.S. I haven't finished PtD yet...


P.S.S. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=p1uGx6vFCYs&feature=youtu.be&t=150

Great video

[󠀡󠀡 ⁧⁧Darius]

Explain me why people hated DS 2 so much? Why hate an overall better game?

Did the hate originate from Scholar not being a direct sequel (storywise) to the first game and then a bandwagon of hate have followed?

[󠀡󠀡 ⁧⁧Darius]

Also where is this 'Miyazaki magic' you guys were talking about because so far nothing has really taken my breath away while in Scholar (game where Miyazaki was missing) I had many such moments (Heide's Tower, Shrine of Amana, Iron Keep, etc...)

[m0k]

I'm siding with Matthew on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UScsme8didI
SPOILERS for Demon Souls, Dark Souls 1 and Dark Souls 2 (duh)

The gist: Dark Souls 2 improved on some things, but the developer team didn't understand what made DkS1 or DeS good. Instead they focused on difficulty, which was just a catchphrase by now. They made more bad decisions than good, IMO. There are some distinct examples of how things were badly designed.

[󠀡󠀡 ⁧⁧Darius]

Originally posted by Mr. Sheffield:

I'm siding with Matthew on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UScsme8didI
SPOILERS for Demon Souls, Dark Souls 1 and Dark Souls 2 (duh)

The gist: Dark Souls 2 improved on some things, but the developer team didn't understand what made DkS1 or DeS good. Instead they focused on difficulty, which was just a catchphrase by now. They made more bad decisions than good, IMO. There are some distinct examples of how things were badly designed.

Idk, I had a much more enjoyable experience with the second game. Did not understand what made DkS1 so good? I think developers have understood that perfectly and did a really great job...

Did you play Scholar yourself?

[m0k]

In the end, they are just opinions, anyway. But there are some great examples in that video. Watch it when you actually finish Dark Souls 1.

[󠀡󠀡 ⁧⁧Darius]

Originally posted by Mr. Sheffield:

I'm siding with Matthew on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UScsme8didI
SPOILERS for Demon Souls, Dark Souls 1 and Dark Souls 2 (duh)

The gist: Dark Souls 2 improved on some things, but the developer team didn't understand what made DkS1 or DeS good. Instead they focused on difficulty, which was just a catchphrase by now. They made more bad decisions than good, IMO. There are some distinct examples of how things were badly designed.

P.S. I think difficulty is also a factor why I enjoyed Scholar so much more because I'm a little bit masochistic... every game I play is always on a highest difficulty... Scholar being overwhelmingly hard made me enjoy it even more. I started playing video games from as early as 8 years old so most of the games made for masses are usually too easy for me... Even Witcher 3's Death March difficulty didn't give me much trouble... Scholar was a challenge I needed.

And yet, besides that, I think it's better in many other areas as well... gameplay is a lot more smooth, scenery is a lot more beautiful, Majula > Firelink Shrine, better PvP, bigger equipment variety, more viable builds, etc...

Also music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZMwOszjCFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9hoAyx3-0I

[󠀡󠀡 ⁧⁧Darius]

Anyway, even though I think Scholar of the First Sin is a superior game - I'm glad that the general opinion is DS1 > DS2 because otherwise I probably would've never given PtD a try

[Agarillobob]

it really depends,
DS2 is kind of garbo and was a let down coming from DS1
for casual players SotfS was better then DS2 no doubt about that
SotfS made things better then DS2
since DS1 was probably the game most of the cummunity played first it will always have a nostalgic factor to it

personally just talking about the Dark Souls games DS2 is the weakest then SotfS comes in third, not because its bad just because I like 3 more, and my most favorite game is DS1

kind of nostalgic because I played it first but because there are so many things I dont like about 2 and 3.

it mainly comes down to some reused weapons that make 0 sense to exist (like why are there black night weapons in DS2? there arent even any black nights in the game, why not simply use completely different weapons)

and the reuse of rings and especially +1 +2 +3 version of rings

2/SotfS and 3 are kind of limited in ways you can go while 1 felt way more open, especially with the master key

thats of course just personal opinions but maybe it gives you some more insight why most people prefer 1



and you really have to differate because SotfS =/= DS2
in SotfS they adeed and removed alot of enemies in the game world and replaced enemies enemies in other parts of the game and changed item locations
SotfS is a remake of DS2+addons and is generally considered a better game for casual players (only speedrunners favor the vanilla DS2 version)

[󠀡󠀡 ⁧⁧Darius]

Originally posted by Agarillobob:

it really depends,
DS2 is kind of garbo and was a let down coming from DS1
for casual players SotfS was better then DS2 no doubt about that
SotfS made things better then DS2
since DS1 was probably the game most of the cummunity played first it will always have a nostalgic factor to it

personally just talking about the Dark Souls games DS2 is the weakest then SotfS comes in third, not because its bad just because I like 3 more, and my most favorite game is DS1

kind of nostalgic because I played it first but because there are so many things I dont like about 2 and 3.

it mainly comes down to some reused weapons that make 0 sense to exist (like why are there black night weapons in DS2? there arent even any black nights in the game, why not simply use completely different weapons)

and the reuse of rings and especially +1 +2 +3 version of rings

2/SotfS and 3 are kind of limited in ways you can go while 1 felt way more open, especially with the master key

thats of course just personal opinions but maybe it gives you some more insight why most people prefer 1

I see a very big bias towards DS1 here and I think you're being overly picky towards DS2. If we would start to name all flaws of DS1....oh man...

Imo, DS1 is the weakest (from what I saw DS3 looks amazing and I can't wait to play it but gotta finish DS1 first)

For me, in the end, it's probably going to be a choice between Scholar and DS3 when deciding which is a better game but I don't think DS1 will improve enough for me to even consider it as the top title... DS1 is a good game though and imo it's no surprise that DS1 is the weakest since it's the oldest of the three

[LurdFalcunPOONCH]

DS1 is better.

[m0k]

Originally posted by Darius:

Originally posted by Agarillobob:

Stuff.

I see a very big bias towards DS1 here ...

Have you checked which forum you are currently in?

And good graphics =/= good game.

[Agarillobob]

yea I cannot be completely objectiv because I do have nostalgic feels for DS1 but again you said you played SotfS and thats considered a different game to DS2 not sure if you know that but talking bout DS2 but meaning SotfS is kind of confucing

[Agarillobob]

Originally posted by Mr. Sheffield:

Originally posted by Darius:

I see a very big bias towards DS1 here ...

Have you checked which forum you are currently in? :ClownSmile:

And good graphics =/= good game.

yea that aswell, if you are going to ask this in the SotfS forum you will probably get a different outcome

[󠀡󠀡 ⁧⁧Darius]

Originally posted by Mr. Sheffield:

Originally posted by Darius:

I see a very big bias towards DS1 here ...

Have you checked which forum you are currently in? :ClownSmile:

And good graphics =/= good game.

I know but I mentioned many other things besides the graphics
Quote: "And yet, besides the harder difficulty, I think Scholar is better in many other areas as well... gameplay is a lot more smooth, scenery is a lot more beautiful, Majula > Firelink Shrine, better PvP, bigger equipment variety, more viable builds, etc..."

[Agarillobob]

Majula is def the best hub in teh series no doubt about that
I personally dont care for PvP so that aside
yea the scenery is way more beatiful and all but thats only graphical improvements and considereing this game being newer then 1 it kind of have to looks better here and there
but the equipment variety and more builds makes the general decisions on what to keep and what to do harder and most people appreciated the simplicity of 1
DS3 has even more equipment and its kind of overwhelming even a bit too much