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The large flame ember can be obtained in the demon ruins too, before the demon firesage boss, turn to the left, you'll face 2 (iirc) taurus demons, then a long hallway with demon worms waiting to ambush you, at the end after you kill them you'll find a chest with the ember.
You don't need to upgrade to +10 fire to get chaos, for chaos you need +5 fire weapon and the chaos ember.
If you're also wondering who can make your weapon undergo these paths, it's Vamos in the catacombs, he's close to pinwheel, if you fall through a spiral staircase then fall from there (with caution) you'll get to him
To reach vamos you have to carefully drop from the end of a spiral stairs where you can see a corpse down, if you drop straight in the middle you'll die so be carefull