Dark Souls vs Demon's Souls. [STRAWPOLL]

[gackie]

Opinions? I'm actually struggling to figure out which is the objectively better game to be honest. Dark Souls has more replayability, much longer length, better variety, better NPCs, better boss and world design. But Demon's Souls has better atmosphere, level design, much higher consistancy in terms of quality in early/mid/late game, more originality, much better animation design, and a more water tight story experience. There's no doubt in my mind that Dark Souls is my favorite of the two by far. But when it comes to objective design, I can't decide which is better.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13661233

[Facu]

Dark souls 1 is a basically the polished version of Demon....but Demon did it first....but Ds1 better....idk.

[gackie]

Facu eredeti hozzászólása:

Dark souls 1 is a basically the polished version of Demon....but Demon did it first....but Ds1 better....idk.

That's my main thought. But I don't think a higher budget can be taken as a plus.

[Leeux]

I haven't played Demon's, but I watched several playthoughs and let's plays... I'm allowed to vote? I dont want to skew the results :)

[Facu]

Hat Skeleton! eredeti hozzászólása:

Facu eredeti hozzászólása:

Dark souls 1 is a basically the polished version of Demon....but Demon did it first....but Ds1 better....idk.

That's my main thought. But I don't think a higher budget can be taken as a plus.

With dat say dark souls should be the better game cuz improve what Demon souls did. But the thing that is more like an upgrade version than a totally new game that share some mechanics make it hard to decide....♥♥♥♥ it KING'S FIELD DA BES SUL

[gackie]

Leeux eredeti hozzászólása:

I haven't played Demon's, but I watched several playthoughs and let's plays... I'm allowed to vote? I dont want to skew the results :)

Vote all you like, friend. Though experiencing a game and watching it isn't the same. DeS is worth playing though. Just don't buy it for some silly price.

[gackie]

Facu eredeti hozzászólása:

Hat Skeleton! eredeti hozzászólása:

That's my main thought. But I don't think a higher budget can be taken as a plus.

With dat say dark souls should be the better game cuz improve what Demon souls did. But the thing that is more like an upgrade version than a totally new game that share some mechanics make it hard to decide....♥♥♥♥ it KING'S FIELD DA BES SUL

DS1 definitely refined the formula overall, mainly because they learned from alot of their mechanical mistakes.

[Facu]

Hat Skeleton! eredeti hozzászólása:

Facu eredeti hozzászólása:

With dat say dark souls should be the better game cuz improve what Demon souls did. But the thing that is more like an upgrade version than a totally new game that share some mechanics make it hard to decide....♥♥♥♥ it KING'S FIELD DA BES SUL

DS1 definitely refined the formula overall, mainly because they learned from alot of their mechanical mistakes.

Then the question is. .. is ds1 better cuz it refined the a nice formula or demon for being the first and the base of the formula? The answer is ...who gives a ♥♥♥♥.

[gackie]

Facu eredeti hozzászólása:

Hat Skeleton! eredeti hozzászólása:

DS1 definitely refined the formula overall, mainly because they learned from alot of their mechanical mistakes.

Then the question is. .. is ds1 better cuz it refined the a nice formula or demon for being the first and the base of the formula? The answer is ...who gives a ♥♥♥♥.

That's the main argument I guess.

[Leeux]

Oh don't worry... I know is not the same :) I have mixed feeling on both games, on one hand I think Dark Souls is the best of the two, but just barely and just as a more refined product (as in more polished... using the new insights they got from DeS), but OTOH, I think Demon's lore, characters and world building details are extraordinary, to the point that you can almost believe those places really existed at some point... and that that people actually lived there and experienced all the stuff the game tells you they suffered.

Even if at the technical level or gameplay-wise, the levels per-se aren't as good as DkS1 interconectedness design, they feel more real and have a weight on you that is not present in any of the later games (not counting Bloodborne here... I don't know anything about it.)

So, I also can't make my mind of them :)

[solari71]

Leeux eredeti hozzászólása:

Even if at the technical level or gameplay-wise, the levels per-se aren't as good as DkS1 interconectedness design, they feel more real and have a weight on you that is not present in any of the later games (not counting Bloodborne here... I don't know anything about it.)

Consider it this way: DeS has 4 large levels broken into 2 decently-sized zones, each zone capped by a boss and then a final level boss (plus Boletaria Palace which has 4 zones). DkS1 has a larger number of levels (19-ish plus 3 in DLC) with an average size similar to 1 DeS zone.

So, any one DkS1 level has less presence in the game as a whole than any one in DeS due to being smaller and "competing" for attention with many more levels.

[Leeux]

@solari71, good point! I didn't thought of that.

[gackie]

solari71 eredeti hozzászólása:

Leeux eredeti hozzászólása:

Even if at the technical level or gameplay-wise, the levels per-se aren't as good as DkS1 interconectedness design, they feel more real and have a weight on you that is not present in any of the later games (not counting Bloodborne here... I don't know anything about it.)

Consider it this way: DeS has 4 large levels broken into 2 decently-sized zones, each zone capped by a boss and then a final level boss (plus Boletaria Palace which has 4 zones). DkS1 has a larger number of levels (19-ish plus 3 in DLC) with an average size similar to 1 DeS zone.

So, any one DkS1 level has less presence in the game as a whole than any one in DeS due to being smaller and "competing" for attention with many more levels.

There's 5 levels in DeS actually. Boletaria, Stonefang, Latria, Shrine of Storms and Valley of Defilement.

[solari71]

Hat Skeleton! eredeti hozzászólása:

There's 5 levels in DeS actually. Boletaria, Stonefang, Latria, Shrine of Storms and Valley of Defilement.

I know; 4 + Boletaria = 5 levels.

[Call Sign: Raven]

In terms of length, all the souls games feel about the same to me. No matter which game I play, when I'm doing a casual playthrough I finish in two hours, finishing all bosses. I think they create this illusion of length with all the extra padding that goes along with it, like the endless amount of weapons and armor, for example.

But, I think that comparing the games to each other is a distraction, because they all bring different gifts.

While Dark Souls has excellent atmosphere, Demons Souls has the best mood I've ever experienced in a video game.

I found Dark Souls to be punishingly difficult, while Demons Souls felt like it was going easy on me. I beat Dark Souls in 90 hours my first playthrough, and Demons Souls in about 8 hours. I still wouldn't call Dark Souls a long game; I was just bad at it my first time so it took longer. I had already played Dark Souls 1 & 2 by the time I found Demons Souls, so it was easier to get into, as well.

I just like to take them each for what they are. I find that if I compare them too much, it starts to blur what makes them great as standalone games. Each one possesses something special that the others do not, and each one is a rare gem in modern gaming, where we are surrounded by stupid games.

[gackie]

Harrison Ford eredeti hozzászólása:

In terms of length, all the souls games feel about the same to me. No matter which game I play, when I'm doing a casual playthrough I finish in two hours, finishing all bosses. I think they create this illusion of length with all the extra padding that goes along with it, like the endless amount of weapons and armor, for example.

But, I think that comparing the games to each other is a distraction, because they all bring different gifts.

While Dark Souls has excellent atmosphere, Demons Souls has the best mood I've ever experienced in a video game.

I found Dark Souls to be punishingly difficult, while Demons Souls felt like it was going easy on me. I beat Dark Souls in 90 hours my first playthrough, and Demons Souls in about 8 hours. I still wouldn't call Dark Souls a long game; I was just bad at it my first time so it took longer. I had already played Dark Souls 1 & 2 by the time I found Demons Souls, so it was easier to get into, as well.

I just like to take them each for what they are. I find that if I compare them too much, it starts to blur what makes them great as standalone games. Each one possesses something special that the others do not, and each one is a rare gem in modern gaming, where we are surrounded by stupid games.

2 hours? Jesus. Are you a speedrunner?