Why do you really, actually hate DS2?

[CazadorDeLobo]

Save your breath if you're a fan of DS2 like me, as this is for you... WEIRDOS who spout out memes instead of genuine opinions.

Seriously though, why do you find it necessary to talk smack about DS2 when it comes up, especially in comparison? Just because something is less than another thing does not make it less than all things like it. In other words, DS2... is it a flawed gem, is it the worst game ever?

This thread wouldn't have any liftoff in the DS2 forums. It's dead and full of uh... sketchy characters.

[Groen90]

Originally posted by Reaver|csgogem.com:

Originally posted by Groen90:

are you 15? Either that or your brain doesn't work how it should

i dont see what age has to do with telling it how it is in disapointment souls 2

The souls series has been being marketed to casuals since after ds1, ds3 def an improvement but not punishing enough and to many bonfires

Just asking since you seem to be failing repeatedly at reading comprehension... it's ok, you'll grow up too one day, hopefully

[CazadorDeLobo]

Lol

[Arasanz]

WTF man Dark Souls 2 punish you more than every other game in the colection, the fact its that not in the right way.(for ♥♥♥♥ sake who thought that lowering your hp after every death was a good idea)

[♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Prime]

Originally posted by ☭:

WTF man Dark Souls 2 punish you more than every other game in the colection, the fact its that not in the right way.(for ♥♥♥♥ sake who thought that lowering your hp after every death was a good idea)

yeah almost forgot about that crap

[gackie]

Originally posted by Reaver|csgogem.com:

Originally posted by Wulf Hunter:

Save your breath if you're a fan of DS2 like me, as this is for you... WEIRDOS who spout out memes instead of genuine opinions.

Seriously though, why do you find it necessary to talk smack about DS2 when it comes up, especially in comparison? Just because something is less than another thing does not make it less than all things like it. In other words, DS2... is it a flawed gem, is it the worst game ever?

This thread wouldn't have any liftoff in the DS2 forums. It's dead and full of uh... sketchy characters.

The reason most ppl hate DS2 is because the game its self is nothing but a broken promise, its a horribly easy game, did not punish you enough just like ds3 but atleast ds3 feels sortof like ds1 and better than ds2, level design, didnt even feel like a real souls game and couldnt compete with deamon souls and ds1. Also didnt have a good story like the first the list goes on and on it seems after ds1 they focused on making the game less punishing to what you do making the bosses easier, made cursing just like dying and wayyy less punishing than ds1 and just making it noob friendly and thats what a souls game shouldnt be like GIT GUUDDD is how it should be

Muh dunkey soulz is supposed 2 b hardest game evr.

I don't get why everyone obsesses over difficulty. It's starting to make me blame Dark Souls for popularizing it in modern time. People are starting to look at games that have artificial difficulty and going "oh that looks like a great game!".

[Darthzz]

Originally posted by Hat Skeleton!:

Originally posted by Reaver|csgogem.com:

The reason most ppl hate DS2 is because the game its self is nothing but a broken promise, its a horribly easy game, did not punish you enough just like ds3 but atleast ds3 feels sortof like ds1 and better than ds2, level design, didnt even feel like a real souls game and couldnt compete with deamon souls and ds1. Also didnt have a good story like the first the list goes on and on it seems after ds1 they focused on making the game less punishing to what you do making the bosses easier, made cursing just like dying and wayyy less punishing than ds1 and just making it noob friendly and thats what a souls game shouldnt be like GIT GUUDDD is how it should be

Muh dunkey soulz is supposed 2 b hardest game evr.

I don't get why everyone obsesses over difficulty. It's starting to make me blame Dark Souls for popularizing it in modern time. People are starting to look at games that have artificial difficulty and going "oh that looks like a great game!".

This here. I never liked the souls games just for the difficulty, it doesn't need to be as ludicrously hard as it can possibly be, that's not what the games are. That's just how the marketing team felt about it. I feel DS2 simply "didn't get it" with the difficulty, making it either too easy or too unfair. While DS3 was like "butbutbut the bosses gotta be haaaAARD cause dirty casuls dont play these games anymore... r-right? t-that's all people play these games for... right?"

[Call Sign: Raven]

Originally posted by Wulf Hunter:

Originally posted by Hat Skeleton!:

DS2 is better than 90% of games. I just didn't feel like it was a very sequelly sequel to Dark Souls 1. It had such a different approach that it could have just been a standalone Souls game IMO. I love the game, especially Scholar (Which I'm replaying as we speak) but I can't deny deep down that it has alot of issues. And the controversy surrounding its advertisement didn't help it much. People expected ALOT, because they were shown alot. I think it's just the overall feel of a focus on quantity over quality that didn't live up to DS1 for me. The DLCs fixed that though.

That's nice but I'm not asking for your input. Well... I am, but I'm not asking for general input like this. The thread asks a specific question, and this is not an answer to that question. Just an anecdote staged for an argument or something. Not to discourage you from commenting... it's just... please don't infer personal meanings from what I'm saying.

"Let me ask you a question, but only answer it the way I want you to."

[Call Sign: Raven]

Originally posted by Hat Skeleton!:

Originally posted by Reaver|csgogem.com:

The reason most ppl hate DS2 is because the game its self is nothing but a broken promise, its a horribly easy game, did not punish you enough just like ds3 but atleast ds3 feels sortof like ds1 and better than ds2, level design, didnt even feel like a real souls game and couldnt compete with deamon souls and ds1. Also didnt have a good story like the first the list goes on and on it seems after ds1 they focused on making the game less punishing to what you do making the bosses easier, made cursing just like dying and wayyy less punishing than ds1 and just making it noob friendly and thats what a souls game shouldnt be like GIT GUUDDD is how it should be

Muh dunkey soulz is supposed 2 b hardest game evr.

I don't get why everyone obsesses over difficulty. It's starting to make me blame Dark Souls for popularizing it in modern time. People are starting to look at games that have artificial difficulty and going "oh that looks like a great game!".

The difficulty is satisfying, but it's not difficult to the point where I found it tiring. A tiring game would be something like, I Wanna Be the Guy, or I Wanna be the Boschi, or whatever it's called. Or Ghosts n' Goblins. Super Ghouls n' Ghosts. ♥♥♥♥ those games.

I would agree with Hat Skeleton, though. Dark Souls hooked me with it's atmosphere, not it's difficulty.

[Dexter]

PvE in Dark Souls 2 is bad:
- Unbalanced - lets take Drakekeepers as example, especially the one with hammer, infinite poise, quick and powerful attacks, on top of that they do not have any recovery time, sometimes if AI will bug out they will walk around. How am I suppose to fight it? I played enough to notice that there is not time to attack them, even with fast weapons
- Locations and areas - Ds1 has this beautiful connected world where You travel and expolre it, compare Anor Londo castle and Drangleic castle. Anor Londo feels like actual castle, plenty of rooms, going up and down the stairs while Drangleic castle has one main road with couple of small doors to open, I forgot to mention the shortcuts in Ds1, in Ds2 we have bonfire instead.
- healing system - Ds1 - estus, miracle, humanity(for casual player, like we all were, humanity is
precious) and that is all - Ds2 - cheap life gems, estus that regenerats you HP instead of instaheal, HP regen ring

Bosses - my favorite part - great example on how Ds2 failed is gargoyle boss fight
- in Ds1, You are fighting ONE gargoyle, second gargoyle shows up when first falls below 50%hp and most players are freakin out at this point - way to deal with it, focus on one and bring it down, second should not be a problem I should also mention that most of the time second gargoyle will spit fire
- in Ds2, You are forced to fight at least 2(i think max number is 4 or 5 at once), both of them will attack You with melee giving You very little time to hit them back - tactic, bait their attacks hit 1-2 times, repeat

- Ds2 Medusa boss(forgot the name), there is just no way anyone playing for the first time offline will know that You need to burn the windmill before fighting her, that You even know You can do that, no messages, no one to point You in right direction, nothing
- Ds1 Four Kings and Legend of the Artorias Abyss Walker, I think I do not need to explain it, on how game itself directs You to seek Artorias before going into the Abyss.
- Throne Watcher and Defender - this is seriously ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up fight, if You will get unlucky they will revive each other endlessly and You can not stagger and prevent it(most of the time)

Which leads to another point: Even enemies like Taurus Demon have flat poise and can be staggered. While in Ds2 it feels like it is random.

edit: Dark Souls 1 is dark, mysterious and unforgiving while still being fair
Dark Souls 2 feels and looks like cartoon, your way is straight forward, cheap and based on hit and run tactic

[Dens Aquilae]

Originally posted by Harrison Ford:

Originally posted by Wulf Hunter:

That's nice but I'm not asking for your input. Well... I am, but I'm not asking for general input like this. The thread asks a specific question, and this is not an answer to that question. Just an anecdote staged for an argument or something. Not to discourage you from commenting... it's just... please don't infer personal meanings from what I'm saying.

"Let me ask you a question, but only answer it the way I want you to."

Just... don't. It isn't worth it. You can't win this argument.

[Call Sign: Raven]

Originally posted by Dens Aquilae:

Originally posted by Harrison Ford:

"Let me ask you a question, but only answer it the way I want you to."

Just... don't. It isn't worth it. You can't win this argument.

I do not seek to win, so I have nothing to lose! But, I do appreciate the comment and you're right. It's not worth the effort.

[♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Prime]

Originally posted by Hat Skeleton!:

Originally posted by Reaver|csgogem.com:

The reason most ppl hate DS2 is because the game its self is nothing but a broken promise, its a horribly easy game, did not punish you enough just like ds3 but atleast ds3 feels sortof like ds1 and better than ds2, level design, didnt even feel like a real souls game and couldnt compete with deamon souls and ds1. Also didnt have a good story like the first the list goes on and on it seems after ds1 they focused on making the game less punishing to what you do making the bosses easier, made cursing just like dying and wayyy less punishing than ds1 and just making it noob friendly and thats what a souls game shouldnt be like GIT GUUDDD is how it should be

Muh dunkey soulz is supposed 2 b hardest game evr.

I don't get why everyone obsesses over difficulty. It's starting to make me blame Dark Souls for popularizing it in modern time. People are starting to look at games that have artificial difficulty and going "oh that looks like a great game!".

theres a difference in aritficial difficulty and real difficulty ds2 artificial ds1 real deamons souls real ds3 inbetween

[gackie]

Originally posted by Reaver|csgogem.com:

Originally posted by Hat Skeleton!:

Muh dunkey soulz is supposed 2 b hardest game evr.

I don't get why everyone obsesses over difficulty. It's starting to make me blame Dark Souls for popularizing it in modern time. People are starting to look at games that have artificial difficulty and going "oh that looks like a great game!".

theres a difference in aritficial difficulty and real difficulty ds2 artificial ds1 real deamons souls real ds3 inbetween

I'd say Demon's Souls has its fair share of BS moments.

[♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Prime]

Originally posted by Hat Skeleton!:

Originally posted by Reaver|csgogem.com:

theres a difference in aritficial difficulty and real difficulty ds2 artificial ds1 real deamons souls real ds3 inbetween

I'd say Demon's Souls has its fair share of BS moments.

yeah true so do all games but ds2 was a bs moment lol

[Groen90]

Originally posted by Reaver|csgogem.com:

Originally posted by Hat Skeleton!:

Muh dunkey soulz is supposed 2 b hardest game evr.

I don't get why everyone obsesses over difficulty. It's starting to make me blame Dark Souls for popularizing it in modern time. People are starting to look at games that have artificial difficulty and going "oh that looks like a great game!".

theres a difference in aritficial difficulty and real difficulty ds2 artificial ds1 real deamons souls real ds3 inbetween

All difficulty is artificial