Gwyn is a bad boss rant yeah?

[lakesiderufus201]

The reason I think this is because, if you cannot parry, the fight is going to be a serious pain in the ♥♥♥. If you can parry, it's so damn easy. However, for me, I like to use no shields and roll around, yet Gwyns terrible hitboxes will catch you even after you have dodged his attacks. If that is not enough to kill you, when he does his attack where he locks onto you and chases you, he will clip around any terrain in his way when he clearly should not be able to and hit you. If he doesn't clip around it unnaturally, he will hit you through the terrain with his thrust.

To make it even worse, he has two attacks that are completely the same in a way, and (as far as I can see) are impossible to tell the difference between: He slashes one way, and stops. Or, he slashes one way, then the other, then down. I think that these are unfair because it seems that he only attacks once if you back off, and then he tries another attack. However, if you don't back off, he will decide to chain those attacks together, and you will not be able to tell if he is going to start his chain attack or not. The reason this is bad (in my opinion) is because it makes it even harder to learn the boss, by doing the SAME attack animation, but fooling you and it turns out to be another attack that will get you killed. This is not all, as obviously, the journey back to the arena is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tedious, I swear one day I will destroy my computer.

Overall, I have probably suffered the most on this boss. I have beaten this game 5 times before, never struggling on any fights but O&S occasionally, Capra Demon the first time, and the Bed of Chaos a few times. Gwyn is definitely the worst boss in the game to me, and I honestly think the Bed of Chaos is more fun than the Gwyn.

[WickedRequiem]

...I beat him with running away and pew pewing him with soul arrows.

[lakesiderufus201]

Originally posted by WickedRequiem:

...I beat him with running away and pew pewing him with soul arrows.

you didnt even read the whole thing, you replied in a matter of seconds of me posting this. just because you can cheese a boss doesnt mean hes a good boss

[WickedRequiem]

I read what you wrote.
And I'll say it again, I beat him with soul arrows.

You basically complained about his lock ons / hitbox and mobility through obstacles, but I was able to use obstacles (despite his lock ons / hitbox) to beat him.

[lakesiderufus201]

Originally posted by WickedRequiem:

I read what you wrote.
And I'll say it again, I beat him with soul arrows.

You basically complained about his lock ons / hitbox and mobility through obstacles, but I was able to use obstacles (despite his lock ons / hitbox) to beat him.

So you havent beaten him using a melee? Good for you, I'll say it again, I like to use no shields and roll around. Implying I use melee. You basically just tried to say hes a good boss because you beat him with the easiest class in the game

[WickedRequiem]

No, I didn't say he was a good boss.
But I don't think he's a horrid boss like you described.

You probably chose one of the more difficult way of beating him, and you're complaining that he was badly designed because it wasn't easy to beat him that way.

[lakesiderufus201]

Originally posted by WickedRequiem:

No, I didn't say he was a good boss.
But I don't think he's a horrid boss like you described.

You probably chose one of the more difficult way of beating him, and you're complaining that he was badly designed because it wasn't easy to beat him that way.

You are talking down to me like im just not good and you beat him using magic. So I'm wondering why you even bothered to comment when you weren't playing a melee build when I'm talking about melee. I don't know if you've ever beaten the game using a light melee build with a halberd, but if you haven't playing anything like that I doubt you could know where im coming from. Playing as a mage in this game is incredibly easy for the most part, and most bosses you just need to stay out of their reach and they are as goof as dead, like Gwyn

[WickedRequiem]

So... where did I "talk down" on you that you weren't a good player?

I played a gish (aka dex sorcery) build, which worked out pretty fine. Well, mostly dex, but enough sorcery for basic spells. Also, I carried a shield.

Different enemies demand different tactics, imho. I parried knights, I rolled Capra Demon (and slashed him with a sword), I blocked skeleton wheels, I two handed against Artorias trying to power up... and I soul arrowed skeleton dog, etc etc.

You can plow through using the same method for all enemies, and I suppose that's fun, too... if that's your thing.

But that's getting off the subject.
I'm not saying you're a bad player (although you do have temper). I said your judgment on the final boss being a bad design because he was difficult to beat (due to you purposely choosing one of the more difficult way of beating him) was wrong.

[Toolala]

Learn to parry, you don't even need a shield, you can do it with your bare fists.
is he really easy that way?
yeah.
is he a bad boss though?
nah.
♥♥♥♥ like Sanctuary Guardian and BoC are way more annoying to deal with.

[Kleerex]

Git gud and learn to parry.

[kevlarmargarita]

He's supposed to be a hard boss. Someone you can't cheese by hiding under his legs, even with high poise his swift attacks will stun you, he has fire so you need to itemize for 2 damage types, he's hyper aggressive to add pressure. Personally If they removed his weakness to parry, but gave him a little more window between some attacks, he would be ideally balanced. He's designed to be the pinnacle of a normal height, humanoid character, like a Chosen Undead on steroids.

[MaenaZ]

You can beat Gwyn by blocking and managing your stamina recovery well (though obviously 'managing' aspect goes away almost entirely if you have a stamina regen item and munch on Green Blossoms).

Also when you're a heavy tank type you shouldn't have THAT much trouble.
However, take away the parry and certain aspects of his bossfight are incredibly punishing (and unfair when he hits you through an obstacle but come on, it's Dark Souls, a perfectly designed game, it's not a bug it's a feature).

[Инрико Пуччэ]

Originally posted by judgmenthat:

Originally posted by WickedRequiem:

No, I didn't say he was a good boss.
But I don't think he's a horrid boss like you described.

You probably chose one of the more difficult way of beating him, and you're complaining that he was badly designed because it wasn't easy to beat him that way.

You are talking down to me like im just not good and you beat him using magic. So I'm wondering why you even bothered to comment when you weren't playing a melee build when I'm talking about melee. I don't know if you've ever beaten the game using a light melee build with a halberd, but if you haven't playing anything like that I doubt you could know where im coming from. Playing as a mage in this game is incredibly easy for the most part, and most bosses you just need to stay out of their reach and they are as goof as dead, like Gwyn

Don't talk to him, he is a powergamer. He might infect you.

[The Koro]

Originally posted by judgmenthat:

Gwyn is definitely the worst boss in the game to me, and I honestly think the Bed of Chaos is more fun than the Gwyn.

There is a reason why Gwyn was designed in that way. Of course, as a final boss, you expected to find an all powerful monarch of ancient times, with some epic music background, and incredible power. You expected the biggest challenge of all the game. But when you entered the fog gate and the piano starts, what you found was the husk of Gwyn, the Lord of Sunlight, emaciated and insane. A mere hollow.

You survived the Bell Gargoyles, the Capra Demon, Ornstein & Smough, the 04 Kings, the Bed of Chaos, etc. And your final challenge after all this hell is a madman with a sword that can be parried and riposted. What a plot twist.

If we compare Gwyn in terms of "how a final boss has to be", yes, Gwyn is a crappy final boss. But this is Dark Souls, is a game one of a kind. And Gwyn fits perfectly to show us the tragedy of the history.

[MachoShogun]

Originally posted by The Koro:

Originally posted by judgmenthat:

Gwyn is definitely the worst boss in the game to me, and I honestly think the Bed of Chaos is more fun than the Gwyn.

There is a reason why Gwyn was designed in that way. Of course, as a final boss, you expected to find an all powerful monarch of ancient times, with some epic music background, and incredible power. You expected the biggest challenge of all the game. But when you entered the fog gate and the piano starts, what you found was the husk of Gwyn, the Lord of Sunlight, emaciated and insane. A mere hollow.

You survived the Bell Gargoyles, the Capra Demon, Ornstein & Smough, the 04 Kings, the Bed of Chaos, etc. And your final challenge after all this hell is a madman with a sword that can be parried and riposted. What a plot twist.

If we compare Gwyn in terms of "how a final boss has to be", yes, Gwyn is a crappy final boss. But this is Dark Souls, is a game one of a kind. And Gwyn fits perfectly to show us the tragedy of the history.

Beautifully written!

[James8451]

Just a mild suggestion. Can you divide up your wall of texts into proper paragraphs? Nothing more, just press enter to divide up your writing according to topics and minor points. It would get your points more concisely to your readers, and would be a hell of a lot easier to read for me.