Dark Messiah of Might & Magic Single Player

Dark Messiah of Might & Magic Single Player

Gorwe Dec 24, 2016 @ 12:06pm
"Duncan hates you" Act 9
...really what kind of piece of ♥♥♥♥ is this? I can't progress...

What does it even mean he hates me?
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Nova Dec 24, 2016 @ 12:25pm 
If memory serves he hates you if he saw your demon nature or you killed a friendly npc or you wounded him accidentally. And the only way to fix it is to load previous save game. But I played this game long ago, so may be I am wrong.
merchantmudcrab Dec 24, 2016 @ 12:57pm 
This is correct.
Gorwe Dec 24, 2016 @ 1:55pm 
My main form of attacking is through the demon form, human form is for debuff, heal, sanctuary etc. So, if a Guard or a Healer attacks me and I kill him, Duncan'll hate me?

...what a stupid way to program things. It should be "Duncan must survive" AND "Duncan mustn't see your true self". "hates you"...pfah!

Still, thanks.
Last edited by Gorwe; Dec 24, 2016 @ 1:56pm
Nova Dec 24, 2016 @ 2:12pm 
Xana had to warn you not to show your true nature to others cause they will not understand. So keep the secret ;-)
Gorwe Dec 24, 2016 @ 3:01pm 
Originally posted by Nova:
Xana had to warn you not to show your true nature to others cause they will not understand. So keep the secret ;-)

But how would he know if I murdered some schmuck somewhere else while he wasn't present? As I said, stupid.
Last edited by Gorwe; Dec 24, 2016 @ 3:01pm
GDSpectra Dec 24, 2016 @ 3:12pm 
He probably has the same line of sight as Oblivion Guards and as much law-enforcement as well. "Stop! You violated the law!"
Gorwe Dec 24, 2016 @ 3:15pm 
Originally posted by GDSpectra:
He probably has the same line of sight as Oblivion Guards and as much law-enforcement as well. "Stop! You violated the law!"

Yeah, but Imperial Guards won't block your progress lol.

Ah well, I guess I'll start back from Undead Cyclops and try to do it some other way(Weaken + Sanctuary is so good with demon form).
Last edited by Gorwe; Dec 24, 2016 @ 3:16pm
GDSpectra Dec 25, 2016 @ 3:18pm 
Originally posted by Gorwe:
Yeah, but Imperial Guards won't block your progress lol.

Ah well, I guess I'll start back from Undead Cyclops and try to do it some other way(Weaken + Sanctuary is so good with demon form).

The Undead Cyclops you have to kill with ballista?
Gorwe Dec 25, 2016 @ 4:59pm 
Originally posted by GDSpectra:
Originally posted by Gorwe:
Yeah, but Imperial Guards won't block your progress lol.

Ah well, I guess I'll start back from Undead Cyclops and try to do it some other way(Weaken + Sanctuary is so good with demon form).

The Undead Cyclops you have to kill with ballista?

No, the Act 9 one. I just mauled him while in Demon form while maintaining Sanctuary(+heal in human form, ofc). It's the one where it's optional to fight him. I figured that it'd fit how I see Sareth(constantly being toyed around etc so very angry) so I just brutally mauled him. Maybe I did something wrong here? After that there's that part where Percy has to jump over the bridge, but the bridge collapses, you seperate and you find a healer + 2(3?) Guards fighting Ghouls. Here I just demonised everything and the Guards + Healer attacked me. Tbh, they attacked me before I changed the form, so I went wtf and just mauled everything.
GDSpectra Dec 26, 2016 @ 3:23am 
Originally posted by Gorwe:
No, the Act 9 one. I just mauled him while in Demon form while maintaining Sanctuary(+heal in human form, ofc). It's the one where it's optional to fight him. I figured that it'd fit how I see Sareth(constantly being toyed around etc so very angry) so I just brutally mauled him. Maybe I did something wrong here? After that there's that part where Percy has to jump over the bridge, but the bridge collapses, you seperate and you find a healer + 2(3?) Guards fighting Ghouls. Here I just demonised everything and the Guards + Healer attacked me. Tbh, they attacked me before I changed the form, so I went wtf and just mauled everything.

In that case, we got to the root of the problem if you ask me. If Xana tells you to never show your new form (Demon Form) because then they`ll never take you back to Stonehelm, then you just have to take it by heart and thus when you`re dealing with Stonehelm residents, both Villagers and Guards + Wizards, just don`t go Demon because they absolutely HATE that (and who knows, maybe they already know about the prophecy as well. Black Guards already knew it after all). House of Ashes (Heresh) and Epilogue (Necropolis) are excluded from that criteria because of their residents being your foes, thus in those 2 chapters as well as the Fire in Blood one before meeting with Duncan again, you can go Demon as much as you wish, at least in my vision (never went Demon even after receiving it because of Stealth).

Kind of weird that Duncan would hate you because you would kill Stonehelm Guards and Wizards if they attack you first tho, since I got attacked as well even without ever going Demon and there were no consequences for killing them whatsoever (I was using the Lightning Shield tho, thus one of the Guards must have accidentally hit it, thus triggering the "You attacked me, you`ll pay for this!" mode in them, kind of like how it can happen with Goblins on the ship and Urog the Orc). Guess Duncan`s ghost, if he didn`t managed to survive, accompanies Sareth secretly and all. =P
Last edited by GDSpectra; Dec 26, 2016 @ 3:27am
Gorwe Dec 26, 2016 @ 4:23am 
Originally posted by GDSpectra:
Originally posted by Gorwe:
No, the Act 9 one. I just mauled him while in Demon form while maintaining Sanctuary(+heal in human form, ofc). It's the one where it's optional to fight him. I figured that it'd fit how I see Sareth(constantly being toyed around etc so very angry) so I just brutally mauled him. Maybe I did something wrong here? After that there's that part where Percy has to jump over the bridge, but the bridge collapses, you seperate and you find a healer + 2(3?) Guards fighting Ghouls. Here I just demonised everything and the Guards + Healer attacked me. Tbh, they attacked me before I changed the form, so I went wtf and just mauled everything.

In that case, we got to the root of the problem if you ask me. If Xana tells you to never show your new form (Demon Form) because then they`ll never take you back to Stonehelm, then you just have to take it by heart and thus when you`re dealing with Stonehelm residents, both Villagers and Guards + Wizards, just don`t go Demon because they absolutely HATE that (and who knows, maybe they already know about the prophecy as well. Black Guards already knew it after all). House of Ashes (Heresh) and Epilogue (Necropolis) are excluded from that criteria because of their residents being your foes, thus in those 2 chapters as well as the Fire in Blood one before meeting with Duncan again, you can go Demon as much as you wish, at least in my vision (never went Demon even after receiving it because of Stealth).

Kind of weird that Duncan would hate you because you would kill Stonehelm Guards and Wizards if they attack you first tho, since I got attacked as well even without ever going Demon and there were no consequences for killing them whatsoever (I was using the Lightning Shield tho, thus one of the Guards must have accidentally hit it, thus triggering the "You attacked me, you`ll pay for this!" mode in them, kind of like how it can happen with Goblins on the ship and Urog the Orc). Guess Duncan`s ghost, if he didn`t managed to survive, accompanies Sareth secretly and all. =P

Duncan didn't survive, ofc. There's something strange going on. Needless to say it, I wouldn't program it like this.
GDSpectra Dec 26, 2016 @ 8:22am 
Originally posted by Gorwe:

Duncan didn't survive, ofc. There's something strange going on. Needless to say it, I wouldn't program it like this.

Something tells me then that all other Stonehelm Guards are using the same model Duncan uses in that chapter, thus ... yeah, the thing is really strange to us, even if it makes sense in the in-game world, as at that point, every Stonehelm Guard is supposed to be your ally and Duncan is the 1st one you see when you return back to the city.
Last edited by GDSpectra; Dec 26, 2016 @ 8:22am
Gorwe Dec 26, 2016 @ 11:01am 
Oh, the ♥♥♥♥. THE ♥♥♥♥.

I didn't mean Duncan. I meant his cousin(or whatever he is) PERCY. That's why all of that didn't make any sense.
GDSpectra Dec 26, 2016 @ 11:38am 
Originally posted by Gorwe:
Oh, the f*ck. THE F*CK.

I didn't mean Duncan. I meant his cousin(or whatever he is) PERCY. That's why all of that didn't make any sense.

Oooh, ok, now that really changes things ... to really weird waters as well. Also nope, Percy didn`t hate me for killing Stonehelm Guards and Wizards as soon as they started attacking me, thus talk about bizarre right there. The only thing I can pull out of this is that once you popped Demon Form inside Chapter 9 (since I myself never went Demon and thus I never got that "mission failed" game over), then this chain of ridiculousness started in the 1st place, as like people say, "bad news travel fast" and you revealing yourself to be a Demon is one really bad news right there.
Last edited by GDSpectra; Dec 26, 2016 @ 11:40am
Gorwe Dec 26, 2016 @ 11:42am 
Yeah, you know the chain:

Cyclops -> Bridge -> Building -> Healer + 3 guards -> Percy(I think he's supposed to raise or lower the level of water in the canal). I tried using Charm and Weaken on those 4-5 Ghouls attacking the guards, but a Healer started flinging spells at me(from nowhere, maybe my Charmed Ghoul struck him?), so I killed them. Later -> can't progress("Percy hates you").
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