Cheap Sexuality = Bad Game?

[vinternet]

Am I the only one who can't get past the overt sexualization of nearly every female character in this game? Every time I try to tell myself "there's more to the game than that, look past it," something else comes up that's more degrading and offensive than the last thing. Unlocking "sex cards" really took the cake.

There's a pretty great RPG underneath the sleaze here, but I don't think I can (or should!) look past the way this game treats female characters as unlockable, hard-earned rewards instead of actual human beings.

Anyone facing similar thoughts?

[Cooper]

So, this is just my experience with it and I'm probably wrong, but I've actually come to stop disapproving of it. Initially, I found the blatant over-sexuality of the sex cards to be somewhat repulsive, but then I started to notice how the cards were drawn and found them somewhat interesting. For the most part the cards tend to be drawn, I daresay, tastefully. Instead of the women just being splayed out with an interesting background, these pictures tend to focus on their lives and personalities, while also giving that rare look into that character's desires and sexuality.
While I still don't like the concept of, "Do this nice thing for me and sleep with you," I've come to see the game's sexuality as an interesting storytelling device that I feel makes the world feel more complete. That's just my opinion though :)

[vinternet]

Cooper a écrit :

So, this is just my experience with it and I'm probably wrong, but I've actually come to stop disapproving of it. Initially, I found the blatant over-sexuality of the sex cards to be somewhat repulsive, but then I started to notice how the cards were drawn and found them somewhat interesting. For the most part the cards tend to be drawn, I daresay, tastefully. Instead of the women just being splayed out with an interesting background, these pictures tend to focus on their lives and personalities, while also giving that rare look into that character's desires and sexuality.
While I still don't like the concept of, "Do this nice thing for me and sleep with you," I've come to see the game's sexuality as an interesting storytelling device that I feel makes the world feel more complete. That's just my opinion though :)

That's interesting, Cooper, thanks for the reply. I imagine that by having those scenes, the writers have essentially shown us an "angle" (metaphorical, though also actual) of the characters we don't usually see in games. That could provide for some interesting moments, even just in the scenes depicted in the art on those 'sex cards.' While I think first portion of the game hasn't really sold those potential upsides enough to outweight the downsides, that definitely could happen.

[VoltDriver]

As Cooper said, they are more of a way to... "enrich" the actual personality of the different characters. However, you can't learn more from certain characters in the game, which are there only to have sex with. Some people might think it is offensive, and I can see their point of view, but you must not take it like an act of aggression and a very serious element of the game.

The cards themselves are a form of art. Some arts are controversial, and the cards might be part of those, but they are still beautiful in their own way. To be honest, I don't mind them. I don't really look at them after unlocking them. They are there, but you can choose to ignore them just as you can choose to not sleep with any characters in the actual game.

I think the developers did not want to make that big of a deal with that aspect of the game. I think you need to see the system more as if it was a kind of.... Mini-Game. They wanted to create a mature game settled in a dark world and theme. But a fun thing to add in just about any games are mini-games, or Easter eggs. I see the card collecting activity as a kind of mini-game/Easter egg.

Sometimes, you might just want to look if there are any cards to unlock in this level. Think of it as if it was... A small achievement that you can obtain. It contributes to finishing the game at 100%. But don't think too deeply about it. As I said earlier, this "feature" wasn't made to offend anyone.

I think they aren't a bad thing. Sure, they may look childish, but what if they weren't there? You could still sleep with all their according characters. In a certain way, they don't have that big of an impact, neither on the positive or negative side. They just exist, and you can choose to give them importance or not. It is all up to you.

On a last note, maybe they would seem less offensive to you if no nudity was shown on the cards? Their was a censored version of the game, in which every cards did not contain any nudity. There is still a way, I am sure, to get the censored version of the cards into the game that you have on steam. Then the cards might appear as less offensive, and more as a form of art, a kind of small souvenir from the respective characters. I don't know if you would consider that as a solution, but I think it could be an alternative.

[Cygnus]

No it does not bother me.
I still think women have desires of their own, have sexual desires, consent as adults to fullfill their sexual desires,enjoy being desired or the object of someones affection and sexual desire( I think this applies to both men & women).

Women have minds of their own, are able to think for themselves, enjoy sex and are not helpess victims or objectitified as weak minded inferior without choice and desire.

And I still think they believe in chivalry along with those natural qualities that men are trying to hide beneath a blanket of morale sensativity ,or believe it is their duty to degrade women as unthinking objects that do not share the same pleasures as men.

I also think its hypocritical to purchase a mature rated game thats been out for 6 years and the card game could have easily been researched, clearly states strong sexual content, then complain that they are overly sensative to this content without researching and getting details.

At the top of the screen there is a screen shot Tab, some screenshots show the cards...If I was overly sensative to certain content as this thread states...Why would I purchase the game?
So I think the thread is dishonest , hypocritical and a false sense of sainthood bleeds all over the forum floor.

Keep up this charade and women will wonder where all the men went.

[vinternet]

Cygnus, please don't attack me for having a reasonable conversation. Even if you don't think the game is made any worse by the stuff I'm talking about (heck, even if you think it's made better), I haven't done anything to attack you. I certainly haven't been dishonest and I don't think there's anything particularly saintly about my opinions here.

You are incorrect by saying that I'm being hypocritical. Even if I hadn't purchased the game, knowing more about it would have raised questions. On the one hand, I've heard nothing but glowing praise for The Witcher. On the other hand, it seems to have what I consider a glaring flaw, and I'm very surprised that so many people either a) feel otherwise, or b) see past it. I started this thread to try to understand why. Clearly for many people, my argument rings hollow - the 'flaw' isn't there and they've been able to enjoy The Witcher. For others who might have been made uncomfortable by it, the game made up for it (or justified it) in some other way.

I really need to reiterate that I'm not squeamish about seeing boobs or calling for the censorship of games or anything like that. This isn't a "women are not allowed to be naked ever except with their husband" kind of argument. Truth be told, I think that the devs for The Witcher knew their audience was mostly straight men, I think the devs were mostly straight men, and I think they knew having a series of women to seduce would be a fun part of the fantasy for straight men. Taken on it's own, that's not entirely evil - it's not a far cry from why people enjoy porn (and before anyone says I called The Witcher "porn" please re-read my statement) and nobody had to degrade themselves on camera to make it happen. What's surprising to me is that a game where that is a major player would get such critical acclaim. To me, this is the type of stuff that puts it on American Pie 17 or Van Wilder 17 levels - those sort-of-trashy DVD flicks that are mostly about guys getting women for guys who like women. I wouldn't criticize someone for watching a silly movie because it had a hot girl in it. But if that movie was considered one of the best comedies in recent memory, etc? Then that would raise some questions about how this other stuff is slipping under the radar.

Anyway, I've said everything I think I can say on this subject. I'm not trying to close the door completely - if anyone wants to continue this discussion I'll certainly join in when I can. I'm just not sure it's likely to move any further than it has, since it seems like some of the replies are already getting lost in the shuffle. Maybe that's what I get for trying to have a big conversation like this on a Steam hub :P (No offense to Steam obviously, I just don't think the UI for these forums was designed for supporting a multi-page debate).

I hope if anyone reads this that it is at least clear I am not trying to attack anyone or even this game. I think it's important that we ask questions like this - we all love games, but that doesn't mean they're perfect or that they're beyond reproach.

[Prabs Prettypaws]

op, are you seriously saying "porn is degrading"? to whom, exactly? women enter into the pornography industry voluntarily and make a hell of a lot more money than the male stars.

"pinups are objectifying". "porn is degrading". yada yada yada. I can't speak for everyone else here, but one of the big problems i have here is that you're ultimately saying the female form is something embarrassing, shameful, or offensive, no matter how you try to spin it. so, please, tell me all about how you aren't a misogynist. i'll be here laughing at your chronic denial.

[vinternet]

CHRISTIAN ZOMBIE VAMPIRE a écrit :

op, are you seriously using the "porn is degrading" argument?

please, tell me ALLLLLLLLL ABOUT how you're NOT a misogynist.

No, not at all. I didn't say that anywhere. My point was completely different from that. My point was that porn movies usually have stupid stories. And that there are a lot of dumb comedies that operate the same way - stupid stories, easy jokes, and lots of guys getting the hot girl. That's ok, for the most part, but it's not like we all go around saying they're the best movies ever. But for some reason The Witcher (which seems to do all the same things, to me at least) gets a lot of praise.

A better analogy, though, would have been James Bond. I think I made that comparison earlier. James Bond actually DOES get a lot of praise, but I would argue that yeah, the "Bond Girl" trope that The Witcher mimics is pretty trite and generally not a great showcase of female characters.

[Prabs Prettypaws]

vinternet a écrit :

CHRISTIAN ZOMBIE VAMPIRE a écrit :

op, are you seriously using the "porn is degrading" argument?

please, tell me ALLLLLLLLL ABOUT how you're NOT a misogynist.

No, not at all. I didn't say that anywhere. My point was completely different from that. My point was that porn movies usually have stupid stories.

...were you castrated at birth? are you asexual? are you a mormon? do you just not understand what masturbation is?

nobody watches porn for the plots, so there is no need for porno movies to have Deep, Intricate Storylines. people watch porn because they wanna get off.

And that there are a lot of dumb comedies that operate the same way - stupid stories, easy jokes, and lots of guys getting the hot girl.

congratulations, you've figured out that comedies are unrealistic. would you like a medal for this astute observation? some sort of presidential award certificate?

That's ok, for the most part, but it's not like we all go around saying they're the best movies ever. But for some reason The Witcher (which seems to do all the same things, to me at least) gets a lot of praise.

ok, there are two things very wrong with your argument. the most obvious of these is that you have, from the first post, refused to accept that there is a lot more to this game than collecting naughty pictures. in fact, for every naughty picture you collect, you often end up having to collect hundreds of alchemy agents, monster pieces, and so forth. not to mention having to fight a lot of battles, complete more than a few quests, and, you know, advance the plot.

most glaringly, however, is that you seem to have a problem with escapist fantasy.

why are you even playing a role-playing game if you have a problem with escapist fantasy?

seriously. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? were you raised by second-wave feminists? did you have an overprotective helicopter mom? do you just not have a clue?

A better analogy, though, would have been James Bond. I think I made that comparison earlier. James Bond actually DOES get a lot of praise, but I would argue that yeah, the "Bond Girl" trope that The Witcher mimics is pretty trite and generally not a great showcase of female characters.

ok first of all, most "Bond Girls" are competent, intelligent women who just happen to find handsome British men sexually interesting. i'm sorry if having a sex drive makes a female character seem "cheap" to you, but all that really says is that you view sexually-active women as objects. stop projecting; it's annoying.

i've noticed you also keep changing your arguments. first it was 'objectification' you had a problem with, now it's 'wish fulfillment'. why don't you just do us all a favor and accept that you're wrong? admission is the first step to recovery.

[rezoredpriest]

Christian zombie vampire, I agree with a lot of your points about porn and how traditional feminist views are flawed in that they undermine women by robbing them of thier sexuality, but do you have to be so inflamatory about it?

I think vinternet is being pretty openminded and wants to have a discussion. Many of your points are very good, please don't drown them out with anger and name calling. :P

[Cygnus]

vinternet a écrit :

Am I the only one who can't get past the overt sexualization of nearly every female character in this game? Every time I try to tell myself "there's more to the game than that, look past it," something else comes up that's more degrading and offensive than the last thing. Unlocking "sex cards" really took the cake.

There's a pretty great RPG underneath the sleaze here, but I don't think I can (or should!) look past the way this game treats female characters as unlockable, hard-earned rewards instead of actual human beings.

Anyone facing similar thoughts?

Before you become offended and make a stand on behalf or in the best interest of women or their humanity, I dont recommend starting it by purchaseing a game that states "strong sexual content & Nudity"

[DePhoegon]

vinternet a écrit :

Am I the only one who can't get past the overt sexualization of nearly every female character in this game? Every time I try to tell myself "there's more to the game than that, look past it," something else comes up that's more degrading and offensive than the last thing. Unlocking "sex cards" really took the cake.

There's a pretty great RPG underneath the sleaze here, but I don't think I can (or should!) look past the way this game treats female characters as unlockable, hard-earned rewards instead of actual human beings.

Anyone facing similar thoughts?

Troll bait.

No it doesn't but that would bring up the more valid question as to what games you play and why Sexuality *even from a view of a sex hungry male, who gets consent first* is some how more offensive then the slaughtering of what is no less then hundreds of people, on what is *when boiled down* flimsy reasonings.

This whole thing is a sign about you and the USA culture in general is ass backwards, and flips out at the sight of uncensored breasts and the concept of sex in a game. While there is a morality aspect, I'd be more worried about the 'slayer of monsters, and evil' aspect then I would about a single man and loose women.

The sex is a small part of the game, and easily avoided if you have your issues about it, while even if you happen to flirt there is always one clear 'are you sure' kind of dialog choice where you can easily avoid it.

The Cards, are little more then what people do now, as in mental pictures, and there is no way suggesting that those cards are traded *from what I can see*

In short, get your priorities straight. I'm more concerned with games like Call of Duty, where mindlessly following orders to murder people at the command of trigger words, and more realistic shooting, and games that glorify war and volence, *not just have it, but actively show it as something that should be looked up to and is something that is good* I'm more concerened with actual news channels showing violanced and how criminals did it, along with reality shows that give people real life ideas.

The Sex in this game is nothing short of mild teasing porn, of which shouldn't be an issue as kids shouldn't be playing without their parents consent and approval anyways. So yes, I think you are acting childish and foolish at the same time, over reacting to a subject matter that has been taboo for the stupidest reasons. *I'm not saying it should be flaunted, but when your first concern is mild porn that's easily softcore as it's worst, their might be something wrong with your priorities, and maybe you should consider mindless violanced and games that actively glorify such acts before considering concentual sexual content as risky*

[Cygnus]

I gamed before there was a rateing system.
watched the rateing system development fueled by Joe Liberman and his war against video game violence (actually he attacked the video game industry to gain votes).

I was angry at this at first but the entire video game industry gained the freedom to create games as they choose.
Video games have become mainstream not just a kiddie thing.
The rateing system put the responsability in the consumers hands.
It made parents take responsability for what their kids were doing.
It put the reponsability in the consumers hands and a tool to help them take that responsability.
For the sqweamish and sensative, It gave them the tool to make choices and take responsability.

It also gave adult gamers the freedom to pick and choose their games without interferance.
I mean c'mon they put Green blood in House of the Dead for Sega Saturn,or wanted to ban violence all together.Or Ban Resident Evil.

So anyone pissing and moaning about video game content is responsable for what they install on their pc's or consoles, their is a rateing system....use it if you have issues with violence or sexual content.
Its your responsability, take responsability for your choices and actions.

Only you as an adult know your sensativity to certain content,It is not the gameing industries responsability to cater to "certain issues or certain sensativity levels" of every gamer out there.

So they give you a warning, its called a rateing system describeing the content.If you choose to ignore the content rateing YOU are responsable, there is no excuse anymore.

I say Hypocrite, you bought the game, and you offended yourself.
Look in the mirror and say" I am sleazy because I chose to play a game that I CONSIDER sleazy.

[vinternet]

I'm really disappointed in how this discussion has gone. Not that so many people like the game and want to defend it, since obviously my initial question, posted to a The Witcher forum, was posted hoping for some people to defend the game. It just seems like a lot of people don't want to read my posts, or that it's so inconvenient to find each of them that they've become easy to miss.

Christian Zombie Vampire, I know porn isn't in it for the plot, that was my point. That illustrates *my* side of the argument. Please re-read my post, I don't think I could have explained that point any more calmly, and honestly I think you may have just misunderstood it. It wasnt very inflammatory or anything, so I have a feeling we agree on at least THAT point, even if I end up valuing the game less for it and you don't. (which is your right, of course).

Cygnus - I've said a few times that I'm not asking for censorship of games or anything like that. What I'm asking for is not something that a ratings board would ever approve or deny. You can call me a hypocrite, I guess, but your preceding argument didn't really raise any points as to how my arguments are a self-contradiction.

DePhoegon - You're right, in general folks get too worked up about nudity when there's so much violence that we don't bat an eyelash at. Fortunately I do not consider myself one of those people. My concerns aren't about shielding the innocent youth from the horrible sexual deviance this game portrays (I hope my sarcasm is noted). Whether or not my priorities should be on the glorification of violence or on the objectification of women is immaterial - it's not as though discussing the problems is mutually exclusive. If you want to take an issue with it, go ahead. If you don't think it's a problem, that's fine too.

[DePhoegon]

vinternet a écrit :

I'm really disappointed in how this discussion has gone. Not that so many people like the game and want to defend it, since obviously my initial question, posted to a The Witcher forum, was posted hoping for some people to defend the game. It just seems like a lot of people don't want to read my posts, or that it's so inconvenient to find each of them that they've become easy to miss.

DePhoegon - You're right, in general folks get too worked up about nudity when there's so much violence that we don't bat an eyelash at. Fortunately I do not consider myself one of those people. My concerns aren't about shielding the innocent youth from the horrible sexual deviance this game portrays (I hope my sarcasm is noted). Whether or not my priorities should be on the glorification of violence or on the objectification of women is immaterial - it's not as though discussing the problems is mutually exclusive. If you want to take an issue with it, go ahead. If you don't think it's a problem, that's fine too.

Oh really, you think this game 'objectivies women'? Honestly, what pipe are you on? Considering that outside the 'sex hound'' part of the PC *which is a mild joke at worst* women are treated as equals and respected for their professions they have. There is more substance for an argument that games have objectived males in this game, putting up expectations that are stupidly high. Every male is completely fit*except 1 model that's a fat dude obese* in this game, unless it's an old man or poor man, Heck even all the enemies are male *so far as I've gotten into chapter 3 [think I bugged the game somehow]*, with every assassin and randomly generated character hostile being male, and no male waiters, with the entire fist fighters groups being males, and the vast majority of non-violent criminals -thugs, theifs, etc- are male.

The problem is people taking what is essentially a mid-evil game about a mutant human 'witcher' that's completely starile, and has spent all his life in combat of monsters *all kinds*, died and come back, getting sucked into what is essentially a power struggle of a somewhat secret orginization, while easily leaving hundreds of dead humans in his wake, that even very early on has to deal with a church like group that is claiming women are the temptation of evil, allowing the character to naturally stand up to that and get them to change their view, along with dealing with everyones 'corruption' problem as it were, and the part you get hung up on is the fuzzed out sex with a comically contradicting 'card image' of the female that has no in-game value or even achievement of any kind *killing any insentive past, wanting to see it*.
-This game deals with a number of 'sensitive' topics, and the one you get offended by is .... a made up one about 'objectiving women' and the laughable silly sex scenes.

Idk why they did them like that, nor do I care. If you want women being objectived, go find a rape simulator, go on social media sites where they are allowing you to 'rate' pictures of people, go play games, where the only reason women are there is to be the weak character that chokes up, the heartless ♥♥♥♥♥, the weak character that gets taken advantage of, or as the PC where you stare at their ass and breasts all game long. Barbie games objectivify women far worse then 'The Witcher' series does.

If your concerns are truely because you think females have been objectifed in this game, then you are lost, and there isn't anything past looking like a moron that you can do. This game series has a far more realistic equality view of women then most other games, and they aren't there just for eye candy, plot device, or the victim. I'd be more concerned with magazines that encurage unatural shapes and skin types that cause eating disorders and social anxiety because they aren't pretty enough in their head.

I'd love a females view on this, considering you are sounding like some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ prep boy trying to get in good with a feminst friend.

The issue I have is with people picking up this kind of game that's meant to have it's messages actually ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thought about, and taking one of the few 'silly' elements of it and going 'offensive & wrong' while overlooking the fact that, outside the silly display, this stuff would happen exactly like this. Traveling warrior types talking to women and getting one night stands because their repuation is that good at what they do, and they were smooth talker. I think the problem is *if anything* that it's to close to reality and ♥♥♥♥ heads like you flip out on that.

[Prabs Prettypaws]

Cygnus a écrit :

Before you become offended and make a stand on behalf or in the best interest of women or their humanity, I dont recommend starting it by purchaseing a game that states "strong sexual content & Nudity"

but that would require people to take responsibility for what they expose themselves to.

vinternet a écrit :

Christian Zombie Vampire, I know porn isn't in it for the plot, that was my point.

THEN YOUR POINT IS STUPID. not everything has to shakespeare or hitchcock; however, the mere presence of sex in a work of fiction does NOT cheapen it. i can rattle off twenty significant works of literature and cinema in which sexuality is a central theme; of course, i have no doubt you'd consider them cheap and objectifying.

you keep saying you aren't 'uncomfortable' with your sexuality, yet you keep railing on and on about how...entertainment for the sake of entertainment is bad? sexual depiction of women is degrading to and/or objectifying of women? you change your argument so much i honestly don't know what it IS anymore.

if you actually bothered playing the witcher, you'd find there's actually a pretty deep story, and that the amorous encounters you find so offensive ARE optional and actually make up a really tiny portion of the game's full content. you keep ignoring that to spout off about how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ the plots in pornos are or whatever, though, so it's painfully obvious to everybody here that your whole "MINDLESS ENTERTAINMENT IS BAD" premiss is a smokescreen. hell, your very first post makes it clear you either refuse or are unable to look past the fact that OMG DERZ NEKKID LADYZ IN DIS GAEM!!11!1!111, even though you never actually have to get a single sex scene. i'm also rather annoyed with how you've even attempted such a pitiful ruse to divert attention from your obvious problems with female sexuality considering that the thread is called "CHEAP SEXUALITY = BAD GAME".

so yeah, that leaves only sexuality itself as your complaint. you can't seem to coherently explain what it is that actually bothers you about a video game containing completely optional sex scenes that, by your own admission, you NEVER DECLINE TO UNLOCK. for supposedly being so offended by how the game 'objectifies' women, you sure did spend a lot of time seeking out these supposedly 'degrading' and 'offensive' scenes. you also never bothered explaining why you feel so offended by any of the scenes in question. or is it just that the game (1) expects you to earn your nookie and (2) keeps track of who you've slept with?

guess what: sex in real life can be seen as a "hard-earned reward" too. either you gotta have a job to earn enough money to pay for it, or you have to impress a girl enough to hop in bed with you. as for the "keeping track" issue, well--i'm of the opinion that any guy who doesn't remember the women he's been with is a scumbag.

op, you continue to strike me as one of those "Nice Guys" who uses feminist buzzwords to get women in the sack, so i continue to find you revolting. own up, man up, shut up.

oh, and by the way--stop using the "you aren't reading my posts" argument. we're arguing with you because we DID read your posts.

rezoredpriest a écrit :

Christian zombie vampire, I agree with a lot of your points about porn and how traditional feminist views are flawed in that they undermine women by robbing them of thier sexuality, but do you have to be so inflamatory about it?

i'm sorry, you're right. i should be nice to op and give him lots of asspats because he wants to help liberate me from my supposed oppression, right? don't patronise me.

I think vinternet is being pretty openminded and wants to have a discussion.

and i think you're either blind or a sockpuppet. op has done nothing in this thread but reiterate and change his arguments. he's NOT listening to anybody; maybe things are different in your neck of the woods, but repeating the same flawed catechisms ad infinitum no matter how many people point out how hideously wrong they are [and then whining that the discussion isn't progressing] is not what we call "open-minded" where i come from. op clearly only considers it "progression" if people suddenly start agreeing with him. i've seen his type a mllion times; his personality type is a cliché on online forums.

Many of your points are very good, please don't drown them out with anger and name calling. :P

let me put this delicately: go sit your felt-mouthed, button-eyed, cotton-poly blend sockpuppet ass down. all you've done this entire thread is tell people to be nice to the op. thing is, people like the op have gotten too much "nice" all their lives; that's why they think they're never wrong.

DePhoegon a écrit :

Oh really, you think this game 'objectivies women'? Honestly, what pipe are you on? Considering that outside the 'sex hound'' part of the PC *which is a mild joke at worst* women are treated as equals and respected for their professions they have. There is more substance for an argument that games have objectived males in this game, putting up expectations that are stupidly high. Every male is completely fit*except 1 model that's a fat dude obese* in this game, unless it's an old man or poor man, Heck even all the enemies are male *so far as I've gotten into chapter 3 [think I bugged the game somehow]*, with every assassin and randomly generated character hostile being male, and no male waiters, with the entire fist fighters groups being males, and the vast majority of non-violent criminals -thugs, theifs, etc- are male.

The problem is people taking what is essentially a mid-evil game about a mutant human 'witcher' that's completely starile, and has spent all his life in combat of monsters *all kinds*, died and come back, getting sucked into what is essentially a power struggle of a somewhat secret orginization, while easily leaving hundreds of dead humans in his wake, that even very early on has to deal with a church like group that is claiming women are the temptation of evil, allowing the character to naturally stand up to that and get them to change their view, along with dealing with everyones 'corruption' problem as it were, and the part you get hung up on is the fuzzed out sex with a comically contradicting 'card image' of the female that has no in-game value or even achievement of any kind *killing any insentive past, wanting to see it*.
-This game deals with a number of 'sensitive' topics, and the one you get offended by is .... a made up one about 'objectiving women' and the laughable silly sex scenes.

Idk why they did them like that, nor do I care. If you want women being objectived, go find a rape simulator, go on social media sites where they are allowing you to 'rate' pictures of people, go play games, where the only reason women are there is to be the weak character that chokes up, the heartless ♥♥♥♥♥, the weak character that gets taken advantage of, or as the PC where you stare at their ass and breasts all game long. Barbie games objectivify women far worse then 'The Witcher' series does.

If your concerns are truely because you think females have been objectifed in this game, then you are lost, and there isn't anything past looking like a moron that you can do. This game series has a far more realistic equality view of women then most other games, and they aren't there just for eye candy, plot device, or the victim. I'd be more concerned with magazines that encurage unatural shapes and skin types that cause eating disorders and social anxiety because they aren't pretty enough in their head.

but taking a stand on things like that would cut into his time for feminist activism on the steam forums :v

I'd love a females view on this,

um. female here. i've been giving my view this whole time. so far i've mostly been either talked down to, ignored, or told to be nice by the one poster in the entire thread who disagrees with me [and his sockpuppet].

considering you are sounding like some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ prep boy trying to get in good with a feminst friend.

I SAID THE SAME THING!! :D
really, it's painfully obvious.

The issue I have is with people picking up this kind of game that's meant to have it's messages actually ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thought about, and taking one of the few 'silly' elements of it and going 'offensive & wrong' while overlooking the fact that, outside the silly display, this stuff would happen exactly like this. Traveling warrior types talking to women and getting one night stands because their repuation is that good at what they do, and they were smooth talker. I think the problem is *if anything* that it's to close to reality and ♥♥♥♥ heads like you flip out on that.

i quoted your entire post for truth, but this is a fine summary of it, so qft