Coleman & Squirrels

[fish]

Anyone else have the Coleman in their game die because you helped the Squirrels? Feels bad man, now wishing I hadn't done that. It's almost tempting to start the game over to fix it.

Is there any good reason at all to help the Squirrels in Chapter 1? I want to find some reason to not regret my decision.

[zacharyb]

Well what sold me for letting them keep the crates is that some of the crates had food and medicine, and I think the elf said they had sick and wounded.

[Ragnarök]

This is one of the only instances in the game where I helped the Squirrels. They do worse and worse things as the game progresses. Don't be fooled by the pseudo-Braveheart "Freedom!" spiel, they're just as bad, if not worse than the Order of the Flaming Rose in many ways and drag the reputations of honest Elves and Dwarves down with them.

That being said, I believe Geralt would have helped that group, not knowing they were just using him. You as the player also had no way of knowing that you were being used so I wouldn't restart. You and the character have learned a valuable lesson. Never take anything at face value and things aren't always what they seem.

This won't be the last time that you'll discover the consequences of your decisions after making them. You might not like what you learn, so try to gather as much information as possible beforehand. Talk to all parties and take all sides of the story into account.

[fish]

Yeah but if anything that means Geralt would have felt justified for killing them later instead, so I think it was an all around bad decision on my part. Do the Squirrels even treat you nicer later on for it?

[Ragnarök]

You may or may not have many more chances to do so, but bear in mind Geralt judges people as individuals, not by the group they belong to.

If you keep helping them, yes. Why you would want to on the otherhand...

That's one of the failings of this game. Justifying siding with the squirrels is rather difficult compared with the Order or just remaining neutral. The books did a better job of making you feel sympathetic for their cause. The point is your character just woke up from amnesia and has forgotten much of how the world works. Still being a good man, he would have had sympathy for the wounded and sick. Certainly not out of line with his personality.

Aside from that, Geralt had no way of knowing that those supplies contained weapons and also no way of knowing what the Squirrels were planning to do with them. Their request seemed perfectly genuine. Dunno man, I just think that reloading your game would be kinda meta, but do whatever.

[Karabanera]

You feel bad for this drugdealer? Why?

[Shad1902]

Originally posted by Konpaku:

Anyone else have the Coleman in their game die because you helped the Squirrels? Feels bad man, now wishing I hadn't done that. It's almost tempting to start the game over to fix it.

Is there any good reason at all to help the Squirrels in Chapter 1? I want to find some reason to not regret my decision.

One thing this game does right, unlike some other RPG's, is that there's no "right" and "wrong" decision, sometimes you just choose "the lesser evil" for the very moment. The developpers wanted YOU to take a decision, like you would in real life, without loading the game just afterwards and check the other way. That's also the reason your decisions will affect the game only later on...unlike, say, mass effect where you earn your renagade / paragon points immediatly with no "real" side effect.

So my advice would be that you have to live with it. You feel bad ? fine !! that's what the devs wanted ! Use your new wisdom to continue in the game and deal with the consequences. Oh and BTW...are you sure not helping the squirrels wouldn't have triggered another consequences you would feel even more bad about ?

...you can make a 2nd playthrough with other choices though...but get rid of the pseudo RPG aspect of doing something "right" or "wrong", this isn't KotoR (no offense) ;)
BTW: you should read the books !

(BTW: colemand died in my 1st game. Why ? well, I had just freed my dwarf friend from racists, so the freedom and equal rights speach seemed "right" for me at this very moment)

[Volus_dude]

I think that elf rebels are the better group than order of flaming rose.

-They want land for non humans (dwarfs, Elfs, dryads, mutants and so on.
-they are victims of racism. Now they demand same right as humans
-They have done bad things but so have humans too.

[Shad1902]

Originally posted by Rum_Loving_Pyro:

I think that elf rebels are the better group than order of flaming rose.

-They want land for non humans (dwarfs, Elfs, dryads, mutants and so on.
-they are victims of racism. Now they demand same right as humans
-They have done bad things but so have humans too.

yeah, but still, they are a bit extreme...it's better explained in the books I think.

BTW: the "true" path of the witcher (following the books) would be to be neutral about these 2 factions. Both are total jerks in the books, and that's also why they hate each other so much.

[Volus_dude]

For me rebels are lesser evil. They are still douchbags and idiots but they have good reason to be so. Yes witchers likes to be neutral but in matter of whole world, rebels are better choice.

Books did it great showing nyance of both party. Too bad video game failed at it.

I wonder how Geralt manage to keep his cool. I would be furious how people treat elves and dryads.

[Rick O'Shay]

Originally posted by fish:

This was quite early into the game and I didn't realize there was a Scoia'tael path. I've now beat the Witcher and sided with the Scoia'tael, so I don't regret my decision anymore.

The only thing I regret was being unable to help Zoltan in time against the racists, but I think that may have been a problem with a mod changing combat. Also, I regret going to the Frightener path in the Prologue just to get the meteorite and experience from the mutated hound (the lab was clearly more important). But I guess once Salamandra is defeated, that choice no longer matters.

Time to play the Witcher 2.

I hate how there is no option to make peace between between Rayla and the Elves. I love them both.

[Calico-Jack]

Originally posted by Ragnarök:

This is one of the only instances in the game where I helped the Squirrels. They do worse and worse things as the game progresses.

The game will adapt to your choices presenting you with information to confirm your assumptions after the fact. I don't want to spolerise anything for you but lets just say the Order are not knights in shining armour if you go with the Non Humans.

[Ragnarök]

Originally posted by Calico-Jack:

The game will adapt to your choices presenting you with information to confirm your assumptions after the fact. I don't want to spolerise anything for you but lets just say the Order are not knights in shining armour if you go with the Non Humans.

I've seen all three endings. Nothing the Order does on their path of events is comparable to the burning of a city by the Squirrels.

[Calico-Jack]

Originally posted by Ragnarök:

Originally posted by Calico-Jack:

The game will adapt to your choices presenting you with information to confirm your assumptions after the fact. I don't want to spolerise anything for you but lets just say the Order are not knights in shining armour if you go with the Non Humans.

I've seen all three endings. Nothing the Order does on their path of events is comparable to the burning of a city by the Squirrels.

Oh I dunno ...

Buying troops from Salamandra that are the children lifted from the surrounds of Vizima turned into super soldiers by being exposed to mutagens, with the express intent to use those troops to perform ethnic cleansing

[Ragnarök]

Originally posted by Calico-Jack:

Oh I dunno ...

Buying troops from Salamandra that are the children lifted from the surrounds of Vizima turned into super soldiers by being exposed to mutagens, with the express intent to use those troops to perform ethnic cleansing

That was the intent of de Aldersberg and his men, not the entirety of the faction. Burning the city is still worse, fire does not discriminate. This is something they successfully perpetrate no matter the side you choose.

[Unseen]

Originally posted by Ragnarök:

Originally posted by Calico-Jack:

The game will adapt to your choices presenting you with information to confirm your assumptions after the fact. I don't want to spolerise anything for you but lets just say the Order are not knights in shining armour if you go with the Non Humans.

I've seen all three endings. Nothing the Order does on their path of events is comparable to the burning of a city by the Squirrels.

Sounds like I'll be anti squirrel then, I don't like the idea of being burned to death and burning down a whole city, wow.

I happen to like siegfried so far seems kinda cool and respectful, whats so bad about the order? (i don't care much about spoilers).