Basic Economic Sense [Solved]

[pedantic_roc]

What am I missing? I am "forced" to buy a book to complete a quest contract, which costs me 600 tediously earned orens, and end up 400 orens out of pocket? I do a Swamp Quest for Kolstwhatshisface and, again, end up out of pocket. I've never got any money for anything other than buying books at rip-off prices. So, how in heavens name do you make enough orens to buy (for example) the upgraded armour in chapter II? This might be the first ever game I give up with and abandon.

Solution. Invest the first three "bronze" in Intelligence 1 & 2 and add Herbalism.

[Shad1902]

1. you don't need to buy all the books, in fact, there are only 5 books you really NEED to buy. For the rest, you can gather the informations elsewhere. For example, in chapter 1 you can talk to multiple "old women" which will tell you a story in exchange for food (monster or plant book entries)

2. you can make money with contracts / sidequests, bar fighting and playing poker. At the beginning of chapter 2 I had about 4000 orens already... I never had money problems in the game.

this may help you for the books: http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Witcher_library_guide

[pedantic_roc]

Yes, I'm well aware of the old ladies eating habits - but there always seems to be just one entry missing with this enhanced edition. But the link you kindly posted is more what I was looking for. Big Thank You, Shad1902. I have pen and paper at the ready and I'm off to read. :-)

[Shad1902]

Ah yes, in chapter 1 there is a plant you can't loot and the old ladies don't tell you (or I had bad luck ??). But there's a quest given by the witch Abigail where she needs this plant for a potion. This will unlock the journal entry for the plant.

[DecayWolf]

You mean hellroses? if I remember correctly I've learn it without buy the book.
Old womens also teach about plants,make sure to make them being without any dialogue left, and explore every village.

As he already stated, do as many side quests and talk to people... Doesn't make much sense to play a rpg if you don't try to understand the lore, it's like read a book first page, then run to final to check the conclusion... So why buy the book at first place?

This armor is not necessary, I have reach act 5 without it, then I get a legendary armor for free, I've end up with 35k orens (kings reward included), this particular armor which cost 5k is pretty dam ugly, I do prefer play the entire game naked than wear it.

Few tips.
Gather all materials as you find. (food, bear, wine, flint, monster materials etc.)
Sell all food as you find.
Stock all bear as you find on inn, make sure you stay with one stack with 7+ in your invetory, after chapter 3, you'll not need any bear/wine anymore, so you can sell them all.
Sell all flints as you find, just keep 1 stack of it until you reach act 4, after that you'll not need anymore.
Sell all expensive monster material as you find, some cost 40 gold/each!
On ACT 1 and 2, do not buy any book until you've explored all the area. (you can do it on act 3, since you would have "infinite" money by the time.)
Make sure you enter on every single house, they could hide materials which you could sell, or some book that you could learn for free.

[Shad1902]

I've bought the 5000 orens armor right in the beginning of act 2. I kind of like it, because it's the armor Geralt wears in the intro (with the spiked gloves), and it has 2 quickpotion slots (not very useful but hey, it's 1 inventory slot more).

Thing is, I don't even need money ATM, except maybe for buying alcool for potions (on the other side I'm only in act 2. Finished all the quests in Vizima, and clearing the swamp).
The food, I sacrifice it at the altar of melitele, the plant you receive on exchange can only be gotten there. Another thing to maximize money would be to exchange the food (1 oren) for roses (worth 6 orens) in act 2 (gardener by the hospital).

You can also have "infinite" money in act 2: Thaler seems to have infinite money, so just play poker with him.

[Platinumb]

I agree, i love this game and easily one of my greatest RPG's but the book system is dumb, i would rather have some kind of herbalism level / monster slaying level, or the more you kill the more you can harvest type of thing.
The book system is just wierd...
Other than that it's a very good game. (Less walk here, to the other side of the map and back again would be nice too)

[Shad1902]

Originally posted by Shane Moffatt:

I agree, i love this game and easily one of my greatest RPG's but the book system is dumb, i would rather have some kind of herbalism level / monster slaying level, or the more you kill the more you can harvest type of thing.
The book system is just wierd...
Other than that it's a very good game. (Less walk here, to the other side of the map and back again would be nice too)

I don't have a problem with the book system...in fact, i even find it more realistic to have to study a book to know about a plant.

BUT:

It could me esier to get informations about the herbs and monsters...

[pedantic_roc]

Thanks for all the input. Yeah, I know how to roleplay (I'm almost 60 yrs old, ffs - lol) but the economics of this game is unlike any other rpg I've played. I got to chapter II with over 5k last try but it just seems to disappear. e.g. 2 x 500 orens just to get into the Swamp Tower, not to mention books I "must" buy. I just deleted my whole save folder for the third time in a row and I'm going to give it one last try. I didn't see the sense in spending half the night in the Trade Quarter fighting insects that didn't drop what I needed but do, indeed, Kick you more. BBL

[Shad1902]

Originally posted by pedantic_roc:

Thanks for all the input. Yeah, I know how to roleplay (I'm almost 60 yrs old, ffs - lol) but the economics of this game is unlike any other rpg I've played. I got to chapter II with over 5k last try but it just seems to disappear. e.g. 2 x 500 orens just to get into the Swamp Tower, not to mention books I "must" buy. I just deleted my whole save folder for the third time in a row and I'm going to give it one last try. I didn't see the sense in spending half the night in the Trade Quarter fighting insects that didn't drop what I needed but do, indeed, Kick you more. BBL

Don't go to the swamp before having done most of the Vizima quests. Kalkstein will give you a crystal which teleports you to his lab when you use it on a place of power. So you can easily teleport back from the swamp to vizima without hassle. Saves some orens ;) (and time)

BTW: isn't the cost of the ferry to the swamp only 5 orens ?

[pedantic_roc]

Originally posted by Shad1902:

BTW: isn't the cost of the ferry to the swamp only 5 orens ?

Yup, but I had to buy a sephira and an electrical storm - among other things. I use the teleports too because it sure does save time, even in Vizima. :-)

Right, I'm done reading. I'm going to play. If it doesn't go right this time Ima just play on easy and bugger the Potions and Bombs lol :-)

[DecayWolf]

Originally posted by Shane Moffatt:

I agree, i love this game and easily one of my greatest RPG's but the book system is dumb, i would rather have some kind of herbalism level / monster slaying level, or the more you kill the more you can harvest type of thing.
The book system is just wierd...
Other than that it's a very good game. (Less walk here, to the other side of the map and back again would be nice too)

Books are the only thing that consumes money into this game, all rest is pretty cheap.
Except for that armor, but you can manage to play without it.

Do not worry about money, keep playing and doing sidequests, soon or later you'll have enough money to get this armor, it's really not needed to have anyway, and it's really ugly.

You didn't need to buy storm, could've wait by meditation or save and load, until rain trigger.

Originally posted by Shad1902:

I've bought the 5000 orens armor right in the beginning of act 2. I kind of like it, because it's the armor Geralt wears in the intro (with the spiked gloves), and it has 2 quickpotion slots (not very useful but hey, it's 1 inventory slot more).

Thing is, I don't even need money ATM, except maybe for buying alcool for potions (on the other side I'm only in act 2. Finished all the quests in Vizima, and clearing the swamp).
The food, I sacrifice it at the altar of melitele, the plant you receive on exchange can only be gotten there. Another thing to maximize money would be to exchange the food (1 oren) for roses (worth 6 orens) in act 2 (gardener by the hospital).

You can also have "infinite" money in act 2: Thaler seems to have infinite money, so just play poker with him.

You also can defeat that dwarf on Inn leave and then come back, I personaly think he's much easier than Thaler... (Perhpas bad luck?)

Yes the ferry cost 5 orens.

[Shad1902]

Originally posted by DecayWolf:

You also can defeat that dwarf on Inn leave and then come back, I personaly think he's much easier than Thaler... (Perhpas bad luck?)

Indeed, but the dwarf is only available on daytime (you can#t wake him up at night). Thaler works 24h a day and his starting bet is always 110 Orens (though you can only increase by 2 orens per turn).

[DecayWolf]

A good tip to face against Thaler would be always chooce 0 gold, instead increasing 1 or 2.
The odds are a little more on your side when you choose to not bet more money.
Of course it's a gamble system and doesn't means you gonna win, but could improve a little bit more if you do so.

[pedantic_roc]

While you guys are looking at this thread, do any of you know how, where, what, why my Game Adventure Editor just returns an error 404 - page not available? I thought it came with the enhanced edition - or have I been Steam Rolled yet again with false promises?

[pedantic_roc]

Okay - I bought the armour this time with 2700+ orens to spare. Hah, and, numpty me also discovered I could sell the old armour for 500 orens too. Now all I have to do is try to get the game to run at a lower fps. 100 fps average with peaks at 850 fps is baking my gpu.. ugh!