Order of the Flaming Rose or the Scoia'tel *SPOILERS*

[Luke]

Which one did you side with and why? Or did you remain neutral? In my playthrough I sided with the Order because as a Witcher, your job is to protect humans from monsters, be it literal or figurative. The Scoia'tel were terrorists, and while I was sympathetic towards them, extremely, I would not stand by them due to their acts against humanity, such as their kidnapping of the entirety of Murky Waters in Act IV and the attack against Vizima in Act V. Sure the Order's Grandmaster (Alvin) was actually leading Salamandra but if you go with the Order, Siegfried takes over and it becomes a force for good again. In the end, Witchers are made to save human lives from monsters, and that's what the Scoia'tel were.

[Mus Canus]

The point is you are not choosing between humans and non-humans, you're choosing between 2 organizations, the Order and the scoia'tael. And by the end of the day, it's the Order who was working with the Salamanders, stole witchers secrets and created mutants. Scoia'tael are crazy terrorists, sure, but the Order and Salamanders were doing the same and even worse, including experiments on children. Staying neutral is an option, but you are just depriving yourself of a potential ally.

[Ragnarök]

It was only de Aldersberg that threw in with Salamandra keeping it a secret from the rest of the Order, which is why they will help you attack the Salamandra Base, if you choose them.

[Petr[CZ]]

Originally posted by Mus Canus:

The point is you are not choosing between humans and non-humans, you're choosing between 2 organizations, the Order and the scoia'tael. And by the end of the day, it's the Order who was working with the Salamanders, stole witchers secrets and created mutants. Scoia'tael are crazy terrorists, sure, but the Order and Salamanders were doing the same and even worse, including experiments on children. Staying neutral is an option, but you are just depriving yourself of a potential ally.

Incorrect. The Order isn't completely corrupted. When you defeat Aldersberg, Siegfried can become a new leader and fix the Order. And if you ally yourself with them and if you import your saves to Witcher 2, soldiers of the Order will be friendly when you reach Loc Muinne, otherwise they will be hostile.

Choosing the Order is, let's say, morally right. Because if you don't, soldiers of the Order(and practically all people in the kingdom) will think that de Aldersberg was hero(actually main villain) and his evils will never be brought to daylight.

[Mus Canus]

Originally posted by PetrCZ:

The Order isn't completely corrupted. When you defeat Aldersberg, Siegfried can become a new leader and fix the Order.

Yeah, but at least Yaevinn doesn't lead those disgusting greater brothers and assassin mutants into battle whatever path you choose. And I doubt he would, even if he could. Siegfried on the other hand is marching along with them just fine if you are on neutral/scoia'tael path. Other knights don't seem to have any objections either. And every greater brother or mutant assassin means dozens of other failed experiments on humans.

[Ragnarök]

The Greater Brothers, despite their appearance, are still their allies, as they were before they underwent the mutation as fellow knights. The time for ethical debate about whether they'd like to march with uglies and where they came from would be after their immediate enemies, the Squirrels, are dead. Besides, their origin was still a secret at that point so it couldn't factor into their reasoning anyway.

[kb_zed]

Originally posted by Mus Canus:

Originally posted by PetrCZ:

The Order isn't completely corrupted. When you defeat Aldersberg, Siegfried can become a new leader and fix the Order.

Yeah, but at least Yaevinn doesn't lead those disgusting greater brothers and assassin mutants into battle whatever path you choose. And I doubt he would, even if he could. Siegfried on the other hand is marching along with them just fine if you are on neutral/scoia'tael path. Other knights don't seem to have any objections either. And every greater brother or mutant assassin means dozens of other failed experiments on humans.

Yaevinn marches with different monsters then the greater brothers. Ones that willingly and purposefully throw children to monsters and burn innocents alive because they believe it will bring about a better world.

Not to say the Order is any better. Jacques and the new tenets, the Greater Brothers, the mutants. They would watch the world burn with a smile if it brought about a paradise for humanity no matter the cost to get there.

In that way, both the Order and the Scoiatel are identical. They have a vision for the future. And the blood of the innocent will pave the way for it.

[Mus Canus]

Originally posted by kb_zed:

Originally posted by Mus Canus:

Yeah, but at least Yaevinn doesn't lead those disgusting greater brothers and assassin mutants into battle whatever path you choose. And I doubt he would, even if he could. Siegfried on the other hand is marching along with them just fine if you are on neutral/scoia'tael path. Other knights don't seem to have any objections either. And every greater brother or mutant assassin means dozens of other failed experiments on humans.

Yaevinn marches with different monsters then the greater brothers. Ones that willingly and purposefully throw children to monsters and burn innocents alive because they believe it will bring about a better world.

Not to say the Order is any better. Jacques and the new tenets, the Greater Brothers, the mutants. They would watch the world burn with a smile if it brought about a paradise for humanity no matter the cost to get there.

In that way, both the Order and the Scoiatel are identical. They have a vision for the future. And the blood of the innocent will pave the way for it.

True, but the Order was responsible for the events in Kaer Morhen, while scoia'tael did nothing wrong to the witchers. You don't know that, when you have to choose, but nevertheless making the choices was pretty easy:

At the golem burial grounds it seems right not to take part at the battle. Neutrality and all that. At the bank you either have to kill kikimores or the elves. Killing mindless monsters instead of sentient beings all day long for me. At the murky waters knights attack while you are negotiating, so they just pissed me off. At that point all the choices were made, and you just have to accept the outcome.

[Jay]

I would love to see statistics of how people played The Witcher 1 & 2, like they do in Telltale Games.

Me personally (haven't read the books yet), I tried to stay neutral in the beginning, then realized that the Order is just a bunch of religious fanatics and racists and sided with the elves.
Witcher 2 however is a completely different story. (Spoilers) I sided with Vernon Roche because Iorveth and gang were clearly not just defending themselves, but actively attacking and - worst of all - hid Letho and worked alongside of him. Roche wasn't perfect either and his side still has the racists, but I took it as working with Roche, who was just a standup guy working for his ideals, which I respected, not with any army. Basically, I couldn't respect Iorveth, so I chose Roche.

[ZWXYZ]

I choose order. Because import to witcher 2 chapter 3 grandmaster Siegfried will appear at camp. He believes Geralt isn't king slayer.

In Iorveth path, I can enter from main gate because grandmaster Siegfried order his knights treat Geralt as order guest.

[kb_zed]

In the end you are choosing between an terrotist organization and a tyrannical one. Neither is a good choice.

[kb_zed]

Gotta admit, Witcher is an incredible game to promotes this much discussion on morality, racism, and terrorism.

I mean, I can count on both hands the number of games that have made me seriously debate these topics. And most of them are from the witcher franchise.

[Mus Canus]

Yes, the writers of this game did a great job at making it hard for us to find the lesser evil. What interests me the most though, is what would Geralt-from-the-books be doing in that circumstances.

[kb_zed]

Geralt from the books would have said 'Screw you I am Neutral' to Yaevinn and Siegfried.

The game forces you to choose a side at the bank for quest progression. In the books he never would have gone in the first place because it was none of his affair.

'Geralt from the books' would have gone into the Salamandra hideout solo to avoid getting political.

[Goga]

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